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If we dont trade one of our wing players for a Starting PF( which i dont want to do if its just a stop gap player thats only slightly better then Kris Humphries)i think that Hump can play 20 to 25 mins a night and be solid and then Favors gets the rest and brings in good D and rebounding. and if both are in foul trouble then we can always plug in Outlaw or James for a few mins at the 4. i dont think that all the wings we have is an issue. “Log Jam at the wing positions”? i dont get that. we have 6 players who are considered wing players. Ross, Twill, CLee, Morrow, Outlaw, and James. Sorry Ross but ur not going to play unless avery is punishing one of the other guys or one or two of the others are injured. so now we have 5 wing players who need playing time at 2 positions. so thats 48 SG mins and 48 SF mins. 96 mins (plus about 5 to 10 when we go small and put outlaw or James at the PF) for 5 guys. i say that Twill is our starting SG and Outlaw is our starting SF. so both should get combined 50- 60 mins a game. now we have 46-51 mins left for Clee, Morrow, and James. CLee is probably the 1st SG off the bench since AJ likes him a lot so he can get about 18 mins a game.so we have 28-33 left. then James is our Backup SF and he gets about 16 mins a game. so that leaves Morrow with about 12 to 17 mins a game playin a little bit of both wing positions as avery said he could. This is really for the beginning of the season so as the games go on Avery chooses who to give slightly more mins to and who to give less mins to. all guys can play and bring different things to the game so IMO this is a luxury not a Jam.if the Favors/Kris tandem arent getting the job done early in the season or one gets injured then yes we should def make a trade for a real starting PF. we should hold our assets (young wing players, cap space and draft picks) if anything big comes up during mid season then we should use our assets to do someting. i mean something BIG. like getting CP3 or Danny Granger big. cuz thats what we need a SUPERSTAR.

Nah, i think we should get 6 more wing players and just play everyone 5 minutes each.

I am with you that we shouldnt make a trade for trade sake. Fine letting whoever start...doesnt matter. This team as of today isnt ready to win. its ready to develop. So? Develop.

I would love to see Twill as a starting wing. And I like Morrow a lot would love to see him start as well.

It will be Outlaw though...and Avery said he projects Lee to be the starting 2 guard at the beginning of the season. COuld change....but I expect with a 35mil contract that everyone seems to think Avery pushed for...Outlaw has to screw up pretty bad to lose his starting job.


PS- Please seperate paragraphs...its hard to absorb without the pause. Thanks....

I wouldn't pencil Morrow into the rotation yet, if he doesn't exert himself on the defensive end there's a chance he could find himself out of the rotation.

Also even though I know a lot of people have been complaining about it, I'm fairly certain that Outlaw will end up seeing decent minutes at PF this year.

LMAO yeah we could do that. thats was my Plan B. lol

@ enetric. i do like Morrow to but i gave him the least amount of minutes becasue he is soo one dimensional. so i wouldnt want to see him as a starter.

i really would be fine with the starting 5 being
Lopez
Humphries
Outlaw
Twill or C Lee (for more of a shooting threat)
Harris

yeah my bad. i will seperate paragraphs next time. np

mikhailjordan wrote:I wouldn't pencil Morrow into the rotation yet, if he doesn't exert himself on the defensive end there's a chance he could find himself out of the rotation.

Also even though I know a lot of people have been complaining about it, I'm fairly certain that Outlaw will end up seeing decent minutes at PF this year.

I dont think Morrow will be penciled out of the rotation...but I dont think he will start either.

As for Outlaw...I dont think you understand exactly what it is people have been saying. Its not should he or could he...its what Avery Johnson is actually saying HE sees.

Read his comments. If your thought is that the coach will change his mind...no problem...that is a prediction...go for it. But to say people as in the posters are complaining...that isnt true.
I think most are simply saying...Coach said THIS is what his plan is...lets lay out a line up that is based on HIS plan.

I mean if it doesnt go down like you are saying what will be your reaction 6 months from now? The coach is wrong because you said so?

He could slide over....all 210 punds of him due to a shortage of height on this team and an abundance of wings...but I dont think Avery is out of his mind by saying more of a 3. Its a reasonable comment.

bkzmanny93 wrote:@ enetric. i do like Morrow to but i gave him the least amount of minutes becasue he is soo one dimensional. so i wouldnt want to see him as a starter.

i really would be fine with the starting 5 being
Lopez
Humphries
Outlaw
Twill or C Lee (for more of a shooting threat)
Harris

yeah my bad. i will seperate paragraphs next time. np

That's reasonable, not what I was saying though. BTW the guy I most want to see start is Twill.

I was simply saying..I would have been fine NOT signing Outlaw and giving Morrow a legit shot to start at the 3.

The fact that we did give him that big ass contract...he will start. Make no mistake. And that it was the coach who pushed for him...that is the clincher. Then add his comments. Again HIS comments...

He sees Lee/Outlaw starting.

He doesnt see Outlaw as a 4 but much more of a 3...yes he can play some 4.

He sees Twill as a combo guard...BUT NOT A 3....he went out of his way to say that. Dont agree, but hey...he said it. I think Twil despite height can play the 3. I think his biggest issue is his shot. I think any other issues are blown out whack when discussing him.

He said he could see Morrow battling for a starting 2.

And that Farmar could play WITH Devin.


Add it all up...it sure sounds like Twill seems like the guy who has to prove the most in training camp if isnt dealt sooner.

Everyone else seems to have a defined role in Avery's head when you read his comments.

Could change...we'll see. But we actualyl know what the coach is thinking since he told us. Why agonize over what we think will happen since in reality what we are all trying to do is say...this is WHAT I WANT TO HAPPEN?

We should just say that in all of these repeat threads about line ups. THis is what I would LIKE to see. We already know the expected line up at all positions but the 4....so arent we beating a dead horse by now?

I think Outlaw will play well for this team and I think most will be pleasantly surprised at how efficient a scorer he could be.

I would not be surprised to see him lead this team in scoring.

I wouldnt either. Doesnt mean I am glad we signed him though. We'll see.

I totally don't understand how you can have a logjam at 1 position and have a glaring weakness at another and not make a simply trade. The Kings have a logjam of bigs with Dalembert-Whiteside-Cousins-Landry-Thompson so why are the Kings and Nets not on the phone talking and making a deal?
It would make perfect sense with Williams having a ton of value and is all but guaranteed to be third string why they don't trade Williams for Thompson, they could do Lee for Landry but i think Williams for Thompson makes more sense.

Then the Nets would have

Lopez
Thompson-After the break Favors starts and Thompson backsup the 3/4/5 and wins 6th man
Outlaw
Lee
Harris

The Kings would have

Cousins-Dalembert-Whiteside
Landry-Whiteside
Wiliams
Evans
Beno

I believe that would catapolit us from trying to get into the 8th and needing to make moves to not having to make any trades unless a great one prevents itself and can win right now, 4th -5th seed.

Thompson to Twitt is a great trade..FOR US. But he doesn't fit next to Evans at all, Kings would be silly to do it. Plus Capri and Greene might be better players then Twitt.

Dexmor wrote: I totally don't understand how you can have a logjam at 1 position and have a glaring weakness at another and not make a simply trade.

I could understand. When you have your starting PF of the future on the bench and all he needs is experience and PT, it clearly is worth it.

Avery had log jam at SG and SF with his Dallas FINALS Team.

As much as I dont like it, LET HUMP START. Favors will be playing 20-25 mins anyway.

How good can become outlaw?
would he buy into avery Defense?

demens wrote:Thompson to Twitt is a great trade..FOR US. But he doesn't fit next to Evans at all, Kings would be silly to do it. Plus Capri and Greene might be better players then Twitt.

Donte Greene is the definition of trash.

Dexmor wrote:I totally don't understand how you can have a logjam at 1 position and have a glaring weakness at another and not make a simply trade. The Kings have a logjam of bigs with Dalembert-Whiteside-Cousins-Landry-Thompson so why are the Kings and Nets not on the phone talking and making a deal?
It would make perfect sense with Williams having a ton of value and is all but guaranteed to be third string why they don't trade Williams for Thompson, they could do Lee for Landry but i think Williams for Thompson makes more sense.

Then the Nets would have

Lopez
Thompson-After the break Favors starts and Thompson backsup the 3/4/5 and wins 6th man
Outlaw
Lee
Harris

The Kings would have

Cousins-Dalembert-Whiteside
Landry-Whiteside
Wiliams
Evans
Beno

I believe that would catapolit us from trying to get into the 8th and needing to make moves to not having to make any trades unless a great one prevents itself and can win right now, 4th -5th seed.

"Dexmor-mediocre"

mikhailjordan wrote:Donte Greene is the definition of trash.

I said he might be better then Twitt, i didn't say he was good. They had pretty comparable seasons stat wise last year, Twitt with more assists Greene with better shooting. Greene is also younger.

As for Caspi, he had 13 votes for all-rookie team, Twitt had ZERO. You can glorify his 20 some good games all you want, he is no more proven then CDR at this point.

We all know you dont like Twill by now, and you know...not one single person on this board agrees with you. Pretty much like 95% of what you say on a daily basis. In the end...do you realize that the only person who actually replies to you anymore is me...telling you how rediculous your comments are? Get a clue already man....