Devin Harris for Monte Ellis

[nba watcher]

Ellis was harris and Outlaw for Ellis and Rodmonavic. I dont know if it will work but i do know that this trade would make melo feel better about coming.

[nba watcher]

[Preludepunk27]

I'd be fine with that deal even though Monte plays 0 defense really, but it's not happening.

Devin with be a Nugget by Tuesday night. Unless you can get GSW into the complex 3 team deal where Denver gets something in return that is worthwhile, it has no chance. Yes Denver wants to shed salary, but they want Devin probably as much as they want Favors although for different reasons. They want to flip Devin for another solid young core player and an expiring.

Bottom line, if we can't work something into the deal where we end up with Monte and Denver ends up with another solid young player and cash savings, that idea has no chance.

[SpeedyG]

Doesn't the GSW have space to absorb Devin? I seem to remember at one point that they have cap space.

[Stern]

GSW has Curry. Why would they need Harris.

Maybe Outlaw, Favors, and Farmar for Monta and Vlad can help both teams.

Edit: Vlad expiring is worth something in the FA. And Monta can be traded for a close star player, so the trade would suck for GSW.

[Preludepunk27]

I totally forgot about this too:

Why would GSW want Devin Harris? They have Curry which makes a deal like that pointless. That would make the multi-team deal even more confusing. Better yet, where could we flip Chauncey at that point too since him and Monta play the same position. We can't move Monta to the 2 because Rip is there.

It just makes the who situation too dense. Only reason I'm putting this idea in the context of adding GSW to the 3-team deal being discussed is because Devin will be a Nugget by Tuesday according to all the articles coming out today. Taken Devin out of that deal and doing a separate deal with GSW would basically kill the Melo deal because Denver wants to flip Harris.

Unless someone can come up with the most complex trade in NBA history, it can't happen.

[blindchicken11]

I don't think GSW will be trading ellis anytime soon. Unless there have been talks about it that I didn't hear. He would be a great player to have though. It would be especially good if it meant getting rid of outlaw.

[Knicks since 94]

Harris will be traded so that wouldn't work...yall need a PG and I don't see one coming until the draft...maybe

[JoseRizal]

The Warriors have no need for Harris since he can't play the 2...

[vincecarter4pres]

No way GSW does this deal.

I don't like Monta much neither, but this deal is a slam dunk for us.

[Future Coach]

No way the Warriors do this deal. Not only is Monta a better player than Harris, they also have no need for Harris. Also, Warriors management has said they will not play the role of an additional team just to make a Melo deal work. The Warriors are interested in trading for Melo, not helping some other team do so.

[NyCeEvO]

I just posted this in the Melo thread but it's relevant here:

For example, GSW will try any combination of wiry, athletic players in order to put together their team. I'm sure we could convince them that Outlaw would fit their system because he doesn't need to and truthfully is incapable of dribbling but can be a slasher in an uptempo system. They have a guy who can play SF/PF for them. Give them Farmar to backup Curry. Give them Murphy (who they had before as well) to spread the floor as big man and throw in a 1st round pick.

GSW incoming: Outlaw, Murphy, Farmar,
NJ incoming: Monta Ellis, Dan Gadzuric

It works out in the trade checker: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4mahzdc

GSW frees up their backcourt situation with Ellis and Curry. They get an expiring in Murphy and a player who produced well for them when he was there (15/10 guy for them). They get a backup PG, a guy to fill the SF spot for them and would probably fit their system. They also get a 1st round pick.

We basically put Morrow to the bench, get a nice SG on a contract that is very tradeable should anything happen to him and we get another big man with a nice small expiring. Best of all we keep Harris and Favors and cleared the SF spot for Melo.

Now we have:
Harris
Ellis
James (although truly a spot for Melo as an FA)
Favors
Lopez

Bench:
Humphries
Morrow
Vujacic
etc.

Not only is this a dangerous lineup and can entice Melo to come, you'd also still have the draft picks and players to make a run at CP3. You can choose to trade Harris and Favors or Harris and Lopez for a CP3, who would be in a Melo-like situation next year.

Would you want to open in Brooklyn with a lineup of:
CP3
Ellis
Melo
Favors
Okafor

or
CP3
Ellis
Melo
Okafor
Lopez

I would in a heartbeat! This would:
1) prove to Melo we can make moves to get big time players (Monta who couldn't leave for another 4 years)
2)Give us cap and trade flexibility

But would King do this? Nope

[vincecarter4pres]

You don't really think GSW would do that do you?

Riley might reach through the phone and attempt to choke you for offering that hot mess.

[NyCeEvO]

You don't really think GSW would do that do you?

Riley might reach through the phone and attempt to choke you for offering that hot mess.

I know it sounds ridiculous on paper but I didn't have the opportunity to fully explain the situation.

1) I actually tried to include Morrow in the deal to return him to GSW since I know the Warriors and their fans really miss him. I am sure Riley would love to have him back but a team can't re-acquire a player within a calendar year unless he is waived.

2) If the deal is a "hot mess", then I guess it shares something in common with the Warriors because they are just as terrible as we are. And what has Riley done since becoming full-time GM? Acquire an undersized, unathletic PF in David Lee isn't great at anything but just fits their system? I don't think Riley is Thorn by any stretch of the imagination.

3) When I propose deals, you have to look past the specific parts and more into the method and logic behind it. Even if the deal that I proposed wasn't the best, the logic behind it is this:

a) As much as Monta and Curry can deny it, they know that they really can't co-exist together and succeed. They both have to have the ball in their hands, they both can score, but they both are pretty small. GSW knows this and so does the rest of the league. Any deal that can ship Ellis out would be good for them since they believe in Curry since he's on a much cheaper rookie contract and doesn't have any baggage.

b) The Warriors need a slasher. Even though we might dog Outlaw as a Net, he could be a serviceable player for a system that fits him. Any team that has Outlaw operate out of the half-court for a majority of the game is not using him to the best of his abilities including us. I believe that Outlaw would actually perform much better in GSW's system than in our system.

c) Even though it seems like I just threw it in the deal as an extra bone, the 1st round pick could hold much especially if GSW can get their own pick back and maybe another one of our heavily protected picks. I don't know if that is possible but the fact that they would be almost guaranteed a high pick due to their poor record. They could easily try to get another SG in the draft or a true center.

d) Plus, with a possible lockout looming it probably would appeal to them to have an expiring contract like Murphy so that they can save money.

This basic structure of the deal is more than what meets the eye at first. It services a lot of GSW's needs while at the same time gives us flexibility. If the difference in making a deal is one or two bench players, you still do it.

In my mind, GSW still gets a slasher that should fit in the system, a good first round pick and maybe a second one, the ability for Murphy to grab rebounds and spread the floor like he did when he was there before and then free up cap for a possible lockout. It's not like GSW is going anywhere fast anyway so I don't see why this deal wouldn't at least deserve a good look. Plus, even though Monta is playing at a high level, most still believe that his trade value is not increasing because of it.

[vincecarter4pres]

Outlaw is a non-starter in this deal, his contract is that bad and he's that bad as a player compared to that contract.

It's going to be incredibly hard just to dump Outlaw on another team for a different player on a bad contract, but to get Monta back for him is exceptionally optimistic to be kind.

[NyCeEvO]

Outlaw is a non-starter in this deal, his contract is that bad and he's that bad as a player compared to that contract.

It's going to be incredibly hard just to dump Outlaw on another team for a different player on a bad contract, but to get Monta back for him is exceptionally optimistic to be kind.

Ok, I'll give up on it but we have to think of a way to get a solid player (besides Melo if he were to come) to help set up for the future as I've already laid out the reasoning for before.

[JoseRizal]

Harris looked like a D-Leaguer today versus Monta...

[Little Digger]

Harris looked like a D-Leaguer today versus Monta...

this thread topic should be sent to the D League

[Future Coach]

Just to let you know the Warriors aren't looking to trade Monta unless a legit all-star comes back, and likely only one that is a SG or C (assuming Beidrins is moved as well).

Also, there is no need for Outlaw considering the very good play of Dorrell Wright, who the Warriors are happy with.

And while it was hard to let Morrow go, they did so willingly because Reggie Williams is a very competent wing player off the bench, and is cheaper than Morrow.

Lastly, not only do the Warriors not need Murphy due to having Lee starting plus the need to play and develop recent draft picks Udoh and Brandon Wright, they also don't need his expiring contract considering they already have $15+ million coming off the cap (Radmanovich + Gadzuric + more) even if they decide to keep everyone else who has an option, which is unlikely.

If the Warriors are to make a trade they will likely try to package one of their own expiring deals to add a legit starter from some other team, not give away one of their starters.

[NyCeEvO]

Harris looked like a D-Leaguer today versus Monta...

this thread topic should be sent to the D League