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Post#1 » by Sharcm1 » Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:29 pm

Just an idea about where the nets should go from here. I know they have had problems getting players to want to play with the nets but I think it's cause they are still in NJ. Once they are moving to brooklyn then I think it will change.

So they say brooklyn for the 12/13 season. That would be perfect because that is when Paul and Howard are free agents, that summer before.

The nets should strip their roster of all the contracts that don't expire after next season and get ones that do in return and draft picks. the only ones they should keep are Morrow, Brook, Farmar, Favors and james. Other than that harris, murphy, outlaw, and petro need to go and I don't care what we get back in return as long as their contracts end after next season and we get a few picks with it. so this harris for Butler thing is ok with me, butler is a free agent after this season that would cut a good amount of space for the future. we could fill the roster spot with a draft pick and a 1 year player. then what ever package we get rid of murphy in we should try to include outlaw or petro. I would push for that. then the other one should be traded for a 2nd round pick or something. just get rid of them.

Yes this will make the team even worse next season but draft right and play this right and we could bring a blank slate to brooklyn and tell howard and paul that they will be the players and look at the young players (draft picks, favors and james) we already have in place with a great shooter like morrow and a good back up point like farmar. then Brook can be traded for a swing man and/or a pf to fill in the roster.
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Post#2 » by SpeedyG » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:01 pm

Problem is (and the scary part to that rumor)...King wants Butler back next season....:cries:
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Post#3 » by nycefnl » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:07 pm

Problem is I can't see any franchise players leaving their team. the next CBA will most likely have some type of "franchise tag"...don't expect any of these stars to leave.
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Post#4 » by SpeedyG » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:15 pm

nycefnl wrote:Problem is I can't see any franchise players leaving their team. the next CBA will most likely have some type of "franchise tag"...don't expect any of these stars to leave.


So then...more the reason to keep all our picks rather than trading them for Melo and being "stuck" with Melo/Lopez and no one else, and no other way to acquire any other star player, right?





















































































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Post#5 » by Rockice_8 » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:04 pm

nycefnl wrote:Problem is I can't see any franchise players leaving their team. the next CBA will most likely have some type of "franchise tag"...don't expect any of these stars to leave.



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Post#6 » by JDRochholz » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:07 pm

well, you just got Deron Williams, so that's a start....
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Post#7 » by Sharcm1 » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:57 pm

So I take it all back.

This was the best move they could ever make. I don't think it was a risk I think it's perfect. The nets aren't this bad. They have good players. Guys like Brook and hump and morrow and sasha. these a good players. They just need a guy that can make plays for them and get them the ball. They just got him.

The nets just made the best trade since marbury for kidd.

Williams is the new kidd. He can pass, he is a big defender point guard and he can actually shoot better than kidd so that's a plus. He will make Lopez and morrow and hump better. Hell he might even make outlaw better. Just like kidd did for kmart, rj, kittles and van horn. there is no reason other than Kidd that that team would make the finals for 2 year straight. (and I know the second year vanhorn was gone)

This is kidd all over again. Not to say they are going to make the finals but I think sneaking into the play-offs this year is doable.

Now we need a sf. We have the center, we have the point guard, we have great shooter, we have good back up guards and a very good pf rebounder we just need that sf.
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Post#8 » by JustCame » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:25 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:So I take it all back.

This was the best move they could ever make. I don't think it was a risk I think it's perfect. The nets aren't this bad. They have good players. Guys like Brook and hump and morrow and sasha. these a good players. They just need a guy that can make plays for them and get them the ball. They just got him.

The nets just made the best trade since marbury for kidd.

Williams is the new kidd. He can pass, he is a big defender point guard and he can actually shoot better than kidd so that's a plus. He will make Lopez and morrow and hump better. Hell he might even make outlaw better. Just like kidd did for kmart, rj, kittles and van horn. there is no reason other than Kidd that that team would make the finals for 2 year straight. (and I know the second year vanhorn was gone)

This is kidd all over again. Not to say they are going to make the finals but I think sneaking into the play-offs this year is doable.

Now we need a sf. We have the center, we have the point guard, we have great shooter, we have good back up guards and a very good pf rebounder we just need that sf.


playoffs this year? what?
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Post#9 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:44 am

The only problem with the Kidd era is that we didn't have VC back when we were in the Finals in '02 and '03. I don't know if we win those finals if VC is there but they definitely become much more interesting.
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Post#10 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:41 am

This trade has forced our hands a few months earlier than expected. I honestly thought that we were going to wait until the draft to the start the wheeling and dealing but we kicked it in early which isn't bad.

Management is not looking to let D-Will walk next year. They got him for a reason. They intend to keep him and make him a franchise player. Ironically, Deron wants to win just as bad as Proky. Proky wants to build a championship caliber team asap. The Greens and Wests of the world are not going to win us championships unless we have a Howard another great scoring wing.

Personally, I believe that D-Will will change his mind about the Nets if he has one more allstar with him. If you trade Lopez, next year's pick, and fillers, you can acquire a very good talented wing player and still have the cap space to get D-12 next offseason. Think Danny Granger ( I know E would appreciate that lol).

Proky is thinking big. We need to think big as well.

Trade for Granger. Pick up Mayo on the cheap.
D-Will
Mayo
Granger
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Lopez (or eventually sign Howard)

I also think that it's better to have 2 max players and one other good player so that you don't max your cap and can't make changes if necessary.
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Post#11 » by longfellow44 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:01 am

I Know with the addition of Williams a lot of nets fans have immediately started thinking about the potential addition of Howard, However I think it's in their best interest to completely for get about him. I see this summer as the time to make a major push forward. In order to get Deron to extend his contract I think he just needs to see an improving team that is willing to spend what it takes to win.

Honestly I think the nets should throw a max contract at Horford, and then attempt to sign Jeff Green with what is left over. I think that Morrow is a good option at the 2 guard spot and I like Farmar as the backup PG.

Lopez/Wright
Horford/Humphries
Green/Outlaw
Morrow/Vujacic
Williams/Farmar

I think that is a team that Williams would gladly extend with. And I think that is a championship contender.
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Post#12 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:04 am

longfellow44 wrote:I Know with the addition of Williams a lot of nets fans have immediately started thinking about the potential addition of Howard, However I think it's in their best interest to completely for get about him. I see this summer as the time to make a major push forward. In order to get Deron to extend his contract I think he just needs to see an improving team that is willing to spend what it takes to win.

Honestly I think the nets should throw a max contract at Horford, and then attempt to sign Jeff Green with what is left over. I think that Morrow is a good option at the 2 guard spot and I like Farmar as the backup PG.

Lopez/Wright
Horford/Humphries
Green/Outlaw
Morrow/Vujacic
Williams/Farmar

I think that is a team that Williams would gladly extend with. And I think that is a championship contender.

Literally made me LOL right at my computer desk. A max contract for Al Horford? Bahahahahha...That was one of the best jokes I've heard in a while. That team is a playoff team but not a championship contending team bro.
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Post#13 » by JoseRizal » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:44 am

^^ I think Horford is already committed to the Hawks...
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Post#14 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:48 am

5 years for $60 mill, been done for months.

Game over. Please insert 50 cents and try again.
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Post#15 » by longfellow44 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:41 am

^^I forgot that he was extended. Well maybe target someone like Gasol, or west. I don't know the simple point is that I think New Jersey should forget about Howard for now and start to convince WIllians to resign or extend his contract.
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Post#16 » by Sharcm1 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:16 pm

The nets shouldn't sign anyone. If they want to convince Dwill to sign and convince Howard to sign they have to gamble like they just did. Have the cap space in 2012. That's what they should focus on.

Push big for howard joining Dwill in Brooklyn and creating their own team. We will still have lopez depending on what we sign him at we could trade him for a few good players or one great sf.

That is what the nets should do. The way dwill stays is if howard comes.

williams, morrow, james, re-signed hump (hopefully cheap) and trade lopez for a star sf like granger.
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Post#17 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:11 pm

Nets’ new owner begins quest to transform his franchise

By Steve Luhm

The Salt Lake Tribune
First published Feb 23 2011 07:34PM
Updated Feb 23, 2011 11:49PM

Mikhail D. Prokhorov, the new owner of the New Jersey Nets, struck out in his pursuit of Denver All-Star Carmelo Anthony.

But the Russian billionaire kept swinging and, on Wednesday, he acquired Deron Williams from Utah.

Call it the shot heard ’round the NBA.

Not only did Prokhorov match the hoopla surrounding Tuesday’s acquisition of Anthony by neighboring New York, he demonstrated his resolve to make the Nets relevant again while sharing the league’s biggest market with the Knicks.

Williams is the marquee player New Jersey has been missing for years — the desperately-needed star attraction that a long-struggling franchise needs as it makes the move to a new arena in Brooklyn in 2012-13.

There are risks, however.

Williams can opt out of his contract in 2012, meaning he could walk away from the Nets.

That concern drove the Jazz to trade him.

During last week’s All-Star festivities, in fact, Williams reportedly told associates he wanted to join Anthony in New York. Other possible destinations included Dallas, his hometown, or Los Angeles, where he could he could become a teammate of rising star Blake Griffin.

As a result, Prokhorov must convince Williams to sign a contract extension with the Nets, otherwise the bold plan to make him the franchise’s centerpiece will quickly fall apart. The Nets owner may also be banking on NBA teams being able to slap franchise tags on their best players — as the NFL does — as part of a new collective-bargaining agreement.

“It’s a major, major gamble,” said one NBA source. “He can walk away in a year and 20 games. Maybe [the Nets] just brought him closer to New York. ... If he goes to the Knicks now, he can walk.”

The New York Times called the acquisition of Williams the latest shot in “arms race” between the Nets and the Knicks.

“Deron Williams, I feel, is the best point guard in the NBA and when you want to try to win, you need a point guard and you need a center,” said Nets general manager Billy King. “I think we have two of the best,” he added, referring to the pairing of Williams and Nets center Brook Lopez.

King insists he isn’t worried about Williams’ ability to opt out of a contract that will pay him $17.8 million in 2012-13.

“I don’t look at it as a gamble, I really don’t,” he said. “I look at it as we’ve acquired a player who’s going to be a cornerstone of our franchise for a long time.”

To get Williams, the Nets sent rookie Derrick Favors, veteran point guard Devin Harris, two first-round draft picks and $3 million to Utah. But New Jersey coach Avery Johnson considers the deal well worth the risk.

“We think he’s one of the top guys,” Johnson said of Williams. “Physical strength. Mentally and physically, we think he’s one of the strongest guys at his position in the NBA.

“We need to continue to upgrade our roster so that we can become a perennial playoff team and some day become a team that come compete for a championship — we’re neither of those right now,” Johnson added.


And the Nets are looking forward to greeting the new acquisition.

“He’s a player that one night he can have 18 assists and eight points, or, if you need him to score 20-plus, he can do that as well, said Nets forward Kris Humphries, Williams’ onetime Jazz teammate. He’s “very versatile; has nice size; brings smaller guys down low a little bit — he’s just a guy that can play half court [and] a guy that can play full court.”

We're definitely going to be making moves. Will the moves be good enough to satisfy D-Will? Stay tuned...
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Post#18 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:12 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:The nets shouldn't sign anyone. If they want to convince Dwill to sign and convince Howard to sign they have to gamble like they just did. Have the cap space in 2012. That's what they should focus on.

Push big for howard joining Dwill in Brooklyn and creating their own team. We will still have lopez depending on what we sign him at we could trade him for a few good players or one great sf.

That is what the nets should do. The way dwill stays is if howard comes.

williams, morrow, james, re-signed hump (hopefully cheap) and trade lopez for a star sf like granger.

The Nets management should go to D-Will and ask who would you like to play with. Get the list from him, get on the phones, and try to work some "magic" (pun intended lol).
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Post#19 » by SpeedyG » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:20 pm

I think the focus needs to be away from Dwight, and to someone else. Who? I'm not sure yet. But Dwight is a pipe dream, IMO. I think with all of these stars flocking to other teams, you'll see owners try and make a change that will allow teams to keep (or at least, help them keep) their true stars.
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Post#20 » by Sharcm1 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:10 pm

I'm saying they should try for howard. But I would take a swing man also and keep brook and dwill.

we have the 2 most important positions covered now Center and Point guard all we need is a sf that can play. If we can't get howard WE go for a sf.

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