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Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:47 pm**

the GM hinted a wing scorer won't be so easy for the Nets to find; they used to be a dime a dozen, he said, but "it's not like that anymore."

http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/a ... -1.2837699

I've been thinking this for awhile, and even brought it up during the massive failure of B-A-T when I selected Tyreke Evans as my cornerstone and first pick. But it's true...there's not a lot of elite SGs anymore. Is this really the case? Or did guys like MJ, Kobe, Wade simply raised the bar so high?

I'm not sure, but clearly, the SG position is lacking. Here are the top scoring SGs this season:

Wade
Bryant
Martin
Johnson
Manu*
Derozan*
Allen
Matthews
Jason Terry
J-Rich

Those are the ONLY SGs (and * can qualify as SFs) that averaged over 15 PPG. THAT'S IT.

Of that list, three are not much of a creator (Martin, Matthews, JRich), two that are aging (Manu/Allen), and one is an undersized shooter in Jason Terry. Granted, this list will probably include Gordon and Evans if not for their injuries, but regardless, it is not an impressive list at all.

So, what can the Nets do? They have a glaring need at SG (Morrow will be better-off as a 6th man), and no real way to fix it.

A possible solution? Get creative. It's probably not ideal, I admit, but interesting nonetheless.

Let's go small.

As in, a two PG line-up in the backcourt. Deron Williams + whoever scoring/shooting "PG" we can get. Look at the top scoring guards from last season, and in there you'll see the following names:

Rose, Ellis, Westbrook, Curry, Parker, Billups, Felton, Paul, Harris, Stuckey.

Where have all the SGs gone? They are all undersized, masquerading as PGs. So if we can't beat them (or find them), let's join them.

Deron is no Kidd when it comes to defending SGs, but I think he's good enough to handle most SGs (because as we've established from this list, there's clearly not a lot of elite level SGs anyway).

So, if we are to look for an undersized, scoring/shooting SG...who can our target be?

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:31 pm**

If we are talking about making a major move to me Curry or Ellis are the most obvious targets since they are already redundant with each other.

Both of them are willing defenders and deadly scorers with unique skill sets.

Here's the question. What is a worthwhile package for either around Lopez? Because that's what it's going to take.

IMO that's not a deal breaker. With Gasol, Nene, Jordan, and Chandler out there in free agency, Center may be the easiest position to fill this offseason. Obviously there's also Dwight in 2012.

If you told me we could get Curry and the 11th pick for Brook - and then have the cap room to make a major run at Gasol & Nene & Chandler - I would probably do it. Maybe we could even get a guy like Udoh thrown in?

1- DWill
2- Curry
3- James/11th pick (maybe a Terrence Jones)
4- Hump/FA (maybe resign KMart to a short term deal?)
5- Gasol or Nene or Chandler

That's a damn strong team. It's probably not elite until you get another elite 3 or 4 but it's definitely a top 4 team in the East. It kind of sucks being "one player away" and it's easy to get stuck there, but at the same time it's better then being 2 or 3 players away.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:25 pm**

^I think a major move is out of the question since we're going to be going after Howard.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:27 pm**

^^ Until Howard says no, we'll hold on to Brook for the time being...

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:41 pm**

I was thinking of this the other day. The SG position is really sad right now. Too many Westbrook Wall Evans rose posing as pg types (not that they arent fantastic players but none of them are reall point guards). And i can guarantee there are more like them on the way.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:54 pm**

Let's look at the SGs for the last 10 Finals teams:
'01: Lakers-Kobe; 76ers-Iverson
'02: Lakers-Kobe; Nets-Kittles
'03: Spurs-Bowen; Nets-Kittles
'04: Pistons-Rip; Lakers-Kobe
'05: Spurs-Bowen; Pistons-Rip
'06: Heat-Wade; Mavs-A.Griffin
'07: Spurs-Bowen; Cavs-Pavlovic
'08: Celtics-Allen; Lakers-Kobe
'09: Lakers-Kobe; Magic-C.Lee
'10: Lakers-Kobe; Celtics-Allen

The only undersized SG was a Hall of Fame speedster with a deadly crossover and his team lost 4 straight after winning Game 1.

Going back 10 years, there is only one exception to the rule and he was a hall of fame exception in Iverson. Maybe you could make an argument for Wade being undersized but being 6'4" isn't that undersized. Historically, having a small SG doesn't win. The saying "You can't teach height" is a good saying because the best scorers in the world are bothered when someone bigger than them is defending them. On the opposite end, the undersized guard has a tough time guarding bigger players. And if you have a dominant SG that's bigger that's significantly bigger than the opposing SG, you can almost forget about it.

Imagine if Ben Gordon were to guard Kobe or Ray Allen in a playoff series. He'd be abused every game. There's a reason why we traditionally see bigger guards in the Finals and deep into the playoffs. Even with the amount of taller, good quality SGs shrinking, look at the teams who have been winning playoff series.

If anything we should probably try trading for a bigger guard. This is why I think getting Mayo (6'4") or Afflalo (6'5") would be good. Mayo is a year removed from averaging 17.5ppg and is just sitting behind Tony Allen and Sam Young. Afflalo is a good defensive player, 3pt specialist, and is somewhat athletic. I think either guard would do wonders for the Nets.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:27 pm**

^^But what do we give up in order to get Mayo?

I wouldn't deal Morrow for him. Mayo might be the better player but Morrow is a top 5 three point shooter, one that D-Will is very fond of. I'd do a Damion James - OJ Mayo swap straight up. Maybe include a 2nd rounder or something.. but thats it.

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:06 am**

jeff1624 wrote:^^But what do we give up in order to get Mayo?

I wouldn't deal Morrow for him. Mayo might be the better player but Morrow is a top 5 three point shooter, one that D-Will is very fond of. I'd do a Damion James - OJ Mayo swap straight up. Maybe include a 2nd rounder or something.. but thats it.

I completely agree with everything you said. Although I do think it will cost more than that to get him. To be honest, I'm thinking that the Nets might be better of drafting Scotty Hopson as a tall, athletic, wing player than can shoot and then trade Petro and Farmar away for another veteran.

However if VC is right in that we could trade Rip Hamilton for Outlaw (and maybe Farmar), I'd do that, draft Hopson and put him at the 3, and try to find our PF.

I'd like a team of:
D-Will/Gaines
Rip/Morrow
Hopson/D.James
Hump/J.Johnson
Lopez/Veteran C

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:18 am**

Bowen was never a shooting guard, he was always their starting small forward.

And yes, I've been saying it for years, contrary to popular belief the center position isn't that weak and shooting guard is the weakest position in the NBA.

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:20 am**

I've soured some on Afflalo too, although I still think highly of him, I wouldn't break the bank for him.

I would only do a S&T for him.

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:35 am**

vincecarter4pres wrote:I've soured some on Afflalo too, although I still think highly of him, I wouldn't break the bank for him.

I would only do a S&T for him.

Humphries for Afflalo after Den loses Nene and lets Kenyon walk?

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:44 am**

Netaman wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:I've soured some on Afflalo too, although I still think highly of him, I wouldn't break the bank for him.

I would only do a S&T for him.

Humphries for Afflalo after Den loses Nene and lets Kenyon walk?

I know I'm going to get killed for this, but I'm thinking more along the lines of Morrow...

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:53 am**

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Netaman wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:I've soured some on Afflalo too, although I still think highly of him, I wouldn't break the bank for him.

I would only do a S&T for him.

Humphries for Afflalo after Den loses Nene and lets Kenyon walk?

I know I'm going to get killed for this, but I'm thinking more along the lines of Morrow...

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:13 am**

^SHATS FIRED!

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:29 am**

treiz wrote:^SHATS FIRED!

Good thing Westbrook doesn't post on RealGM.

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:24 am**

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Netaman wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:I've soured some on Afflalo too, although I still think highly of him, I wouldn't break the bank for him.

I would only do a S&T for him.

Humphries for Afflalo after Den loses Nene and lets Kenyon walk?

I know I'm going to get killed for this, but I'm thinking more along the lines of Morrow...

Wait, why would you do that if you've soured on Afflalo? Afflalo is not the most athletic guy out there but he does hit 3s. Although, to be honest I can really see Hopson being a surprise rookie in the NBA. He's got all of the tools to be a solid NBA player and playing with D-Will to start your career should be a dream come true. The kid has got a lot of potential but I hope he can keep his head straight.

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:18 am**

NyCeEvO wrote:Wait, why would you do that if you've soured on Afflalo? Afflalo is not the most athletic guy out there but he does hit 3s. Although, to be honest I can really see Hopson being a surprise rookie in the NBA. He's got all of the tools to be a solid NBA player and playing with D-Will to start your career should be a dream come true. The kid has got a lot of potential but I hope he can keep his head straight.

Afflalo is pretty athletic and he's a top notch defender.

Although his handle is suspect, it's world's better then Morrow, along with his passing, finishing ability and overall mobility.

He's also become nearly an equal shooter from deep and a better all around shooter.

The reason I could see Denver entertaining it, maybe with a pick like the Lakers or Houston one thrown in, is to save money, yet retain a young, quality shooter in the process.

As for Hopson, I'm a fan overall, although he's a player I always thought was going to be much better then he became.

His BBIQ comes under scrutiny and for good reason.

Certainly not opposed to him and I think he'll wind up being a good NBA player, but at the same time, maybe just a Mickael Pietrus.

He's probably going to be one of the best wing prospects on the board where we pick though and I have no problem with him at 27 or more so 35 as long as we aren't taking him over Klay Thompson, Jeff Taylor, Williams Buford and probably David Lighty.

Haven't seen the list yet though, wasn't April 24th the deadline to declare?

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:56 am**

Tennessee Vols' Scotty Hopson, Tobias Harris submit paperwork for NBA Draft
Written by
Mike Griffith
KNOXVILLE NEWS SENTINEL

KNOXVILLE -- Tennessee men's basketball players Tobias Harris and Scotty Hopson have submitted paperwork to make themselves eligible for the NBA draft, UT associate sports information director Tom Satkowiak confirmed Monday.

New Vols Coach Cuonzo Martin said Monday he wasn't surprised by the players' decisions. Both had indicated since the end of the season that they planned to test the NBA draft waters.

The deadline for underclassmen to enter the draft was 11:59 p.m. Sunday.

Hopson and Harris have until May 8 to declare their intentions to UT Athletics Director Mike Hamilton if they plan to return for another year of eligibility, provided they have not signed with agents.

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:17 am**

Anyone got the official list of early entry candidates?

I'm googling it now and the only one I can find is ESPN Insider from Chad Ford and I don't have Insider.

I don't know if I'm retardedly missing it on DX or .Net, but they don't seem to have them...

.Net has one, but it seems old and incomplete.

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:54 am**

Officially declared

Olu Ashaolu, F, Jr., Louisiana Tech*
Laurence Bowers, F, Missouri*
Alec Burks, G/F, So, Colorado
DeAngelo Casto, PF, Jr. Washington State
Mamadou Diarra, C, Chaminade
Michael Dunigan, F/C, Oregon
Kim English, G, Missouri*
Ashton Gibbs, G, Pittsburgh*
Gus Gilchrist, F/C, South Florida*
Troy Gillenwater, F, Jr., New Mexico State*
Jordan Hamilton, F, So, Texas
Tobias Harris, F, Fr, Tennessee*
Tu Holloway, PG, Jr, Xavier*
Tyler Honeycutt, F, So, UCLA
Scotty Hopson, SG, Jr, Tennessee*
Kyrie Irving, PG, Fr, Duke
Reggie Jackson, PG, Jr, Boston College*
Terrence Jennings, PF, Jr., Louisville*
Orlando Johnson, G/F, UC Santa Barbara*
Reggie Johnson, C, So, Miami*
Kevin Jones, F, Jr. West Virginia*
Terrence Jones, F, Fr, Kentucky*
Cory Joseph, PG, Fr, Texas*
Brandon Knight, G, Fr, Kentucky*
Malcolm Lee, G, Jr, UCLA
Kawhi Leonard, F, So, San Diego State
Travis Leslie, SG, Jr, Georgia
DeAndre Liggins, G, Jr., Kentucky*
Shelvin Mack, G, Jr, Butler*
Darius Morris, G, So, Michigan*
Markieff Morris, PF, Jr., Kansas
Marcus Morris, F, Jr., Kansas
Jamine Peterson, F, New Mexico Thunderbirds
Jereme Richmond, F, Fr, Illinois
Carleton Scott, F, Notre Dame*
Josh Selby, G, Fr, Kansas
John Shurna, F, Jr, Northwestern*
Chris Singleton, F, Jr, Florida State
Iman Shumpert*, G, Jr, Georgia Tech
Greg Smith, C, So, Fresno State
Isaiah Thomas, PG, Washington*
Trey Thompkins, PF, Jr, Georgia
Hollis Thompson, F, So., Georgetown*
Klay Thompson, G, Jr, Washington State*
Tristan Thompson, PF, Fr, Texas*
Jeremy Tyler, F/C, Japan
Nikola Vucevic, F, Jr, USC
Kemba Walker, PG, Jr, UConn
Derrick Williams, F, So, Arizona
Jordan Williams*, F/C, So, Maryland

International

Furkan Aldemir, PF, Turkey
Davis Bertans, F, Latvia
Bismack Biyombo, PF, Congo
Enes Kanter, C, Turkey
Augusto Lima, F, Brazil
Abdoulaye Loum, C, France
Nikola Mirotic, F/C, Lithuania
Donatas Motiejunas, F, Serbia
Lucas Nogueira, C, Brazil
Kostas Papanikolaou, F, Greece
Negueba Samake, C, France
Jonas Valanciunas, F/C, Lithuania
Jan Vesely, PF, Czech Republic

Out

Harrison Barnes, F, Fr, North Carolina
Will Barton, G, Memphis
William Buford, SG, Jr, Ohio State
Festus Ezeli, C, Jr, Vanderbilt
JaMychal Green, F, Jr, Alabama
John Henson, F, So, North Carolina
John Jenkins, G, So, Vanderbilt
Perry Jones, F, Fr, Baylor
Kris Joseph, F, Jr, Syracuse
Doron Lamb, G, Fr, Kentucky
Thomas Robinson, PF, So, Kansas
Renardo Sidney, F/C, Fr, Mississippi State
Jared Sullinger, PF, Fr, Ohio State
Jeff Taylor, G/F, Jr, Vanderbilt
Tyshawn Taylor, G, Jr, Kansas
Maalik Wayns, PG, So, Villanova
Wesley Witherspoon, F, Jr., Memphis
Tyler Zeller, C, Jr, North Carolina

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