Re-Sign Kris Humphries?

Post #1 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:39 pm

Ok, I know a lot of us have talked about this in different topics but we haven't formally addressed this issue.

Obviously, the true answer to this would be "It depends on the price" but given all of the indications that we received in earlier reports, along with the fact Hump played well last year (albeit in a contract year), there's a high chance that Hump will ask for around $7-8mil per season and 4-5 years in length.

Would you want Hump back for that price?

SteveNets15 · Post #2 » by **SteveNets15** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:36 pm

No,I wouldn't offer more than 5-6mil per season.That might be hard with Outlaw making 7 but you have to learn from your mistakes.

Post #3 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:55 pm

stevieboy wrote:No,I wouldn't offer more than 5-6mil per season.That might be hard with Outlaw making 7 but you have to learn from your mistakes.

You're right. Outlaw not only kills us with his on-court play, his contract is terrible because now other players are going to say we want at least what he's got. We need an amnesty clause badly!

Ronito · Post #4 » by **Ronito** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:51 pm

I'm for bringing him back. But you can't just say "there's a high chance that Hump will ask for around $7-8mil per season and 4-5 years in length" when there's been no indication of him asking for that. Not to mention, a lockout is days away which is going to change EVERYTHING - including helping small market teams keep players.

Let's just wait it out, hope there's a lockout as well as an amnesty clause, then discuss further. I just hope this team realizes we can pick up better players for a better price once the amnesty clause comes into play.

Post #5 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:58 pm

As we said above considering that Outlaw got $7mil from us, that is almost definitely going to be the starting point for him. Outlaw didn't do anything in his past to wow us and we signed him to that putrid deal. Hump posted a double double season.

Hump as already said that he'd love to come back but at the end of the day, it's a business. Plus, he paid $2 mil for Kim's ring. What, do you think he's going to ask for $4mil per season?

orecchio14 · Post #6 » by **orecchio14** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:57 pm

I would pay 6-8 Million over 4-6 years for Hump.

I think that is kind of the going rate for quality big men these days. Hopefully someone won't offer more.

orecchio14 · Post #7 » by **orecchio14** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:58 pm

I'll add also that discussing rates for new player contracts is an exercise in futility until we all new what the new CBA brings.

nets1fan102290 · Post #8 » by **nets1fan102290** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:08 pm

If we can get a more known player who can score, I'd take them and not Humphries. Don't get me wrong he played his ass off last year, but I really believe that we need a player like West or Nene to contend. Humphries and Lopez don't seem like a championship team C PF combo. Also if we trade for Dwight Howard. I think Dwight would need a scoring pf next to him. Humphries grabbed a lot of rebounds this year because Lopez is just so bad at rebounding. If we somehow get Howard, then Humphries wouldn't get as many. The positive in Hump is his defense though. So basically our offense will get better, but Defense might get worse. But I say let him walk

Born_Ready · Post #9 » by **Born_Ready** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:17 pm

cosign.

DarkXaero · Post #10 » by **DarkXaero** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:19 pm

For some reason, I don't think Hump is going to ask us for 7 mill. I think he'll want more than that. And because of that, I think we're better off signing someone like Nene.

Born_Ready · Post #11 » by **Born_Ready** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:29 pm

DarkXaero wrote:For some reason, I don't think Hump is going to ask us for 7 mill. I think he'll want more than that. And because of that, I think we're better off signing someone like Nene.

You may be on to something there...

ecuhus1981 · Post #12 » by **ecuhus1981** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 2:46 am

I give a qualified yes. First of all, I agree that TrOut makes contract negotiations really tough, which is one of the many reasons I want to trade Mr. 17 Shots before Avery spends another second with him. I would want to play hardball with Kris in FA; if he goes elsewhere, so be it, we have bigger fish to fry (Chandler, Nene, and.... :grimaces: West). If after we make our big moves, we have enough capspace left over to give him a frontloaded deal in the $30mil neighborhood over 5 years, I'd do it.

Compton_Killa10 · Post #13 » by **Compton_Killa10** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 6:49 pm

Hump is one of those bigmen that only plays hard in a contract year if you give him a bad contract you will regret it. He is the next Dan Gadzuric or Jerome James

JoseRizal · Post #14 » by **JoseRizal** » Fri Jul 8, 2011 12:03 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:I give a qualified yes. First of all, I agree that TrOut makes contract negotiations really tough, which is one of the many reasons I want to trade Mr. 17 Shots before Avery spends another second with him. I would want to play hardball with Kris in FA; if he goes elsewhere, so be it, we have bigger fish to fry (Chandler, Nene, and.... :grimaces: West). If after we make our big moves, we have enough capspace left over to give him a frontloaded deal in the $30mil neighborhood over 5 years, I'd do it.

Agree. That 7M we gave to Travesty is brutal. We'll have no leverage signing Hump to anything equal or lower than that amount...

orecchio14 · Post #15 » by **orecchio14** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:11 pm

[quote="Compton_Killa10"]Hump is one of those bigmen that only plays hard in a contract year if you give him a bad contract you will regret it. He is the next Dan Gadzuric or Jerome James[/quote

I really disagree with this. His per 36 and per 48 numbers have always shown him to be a solid rebounder...he just was never able to get extended playing time for whatever reason until this past year. I do not think he was a contract year wonder...I consider him more of a late bloomer type.

Post #16 » by **NyCeEvO** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:12 pm

orecchio14 wrote:
Compton_Killa10 wrote:Hump is one of those bigmen that only plays hard in a contract year if you give him a bad contract you will regret it. He is the next Dan Gadzuric or Jerome James[/quote

I really disagree with this. His per 36 and per 48 numbers have always shown him to be a solid rebounder...he just was never able to get extended playing time for whatever reason until this past year. I do not think he was a contract year wonder...I consider him more of a late bloomer type.

It's much easier to argue that Hump is a contract year player because he did exactly what the description says. We'd need at least one more season of solid play in order to consider him a late bloomer.

The whole point is "Why would you pay $7mil+ for a muscular rebounder? There are plenty of guys close to the vet minimum who given the minutes can get 8-9 rpg. Humphries is not skilled enough to demand that type of contract. I literally see Hump as an older Jordan Williams who was just give more minutes to rebound. As long as Avery is around, Hump will be overpaid for just being a rebounder.

Compton_Killa10 · Post #17 » by **Compton_Killa10** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:19 am

Prepare to be disappointed nets fans.

orecchio14 · Post #18 » by **orecchio14** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:34 am

Once again, all I've seen out of Hump is a guy who works his tail off everyday and stays in phenomenal shape year after year. He is not just a "muscular rebounder."

What we saw last year was an ELITE LEVEL rebounder based on every advanced metric. He was also a very good help defender and did a solid job on the ball. He was our MVP last year, period (that doesn't say much about the state of the team, but it is what it is.)

I think we forget that this is a guy who in Toronto was stuck behind Bosh and in Utah was stuck behind Boozer and Milsap. When on the floor he has ALWAYS played hard and ALWAYS rebounded at a high level. He is a top notch role player in this league and even though the one year sample size is small, I'd venture a guess that this was no contract year fluke.

That being said, IMO ideally he would be a high energy 6th man on a contender and at 7-8 Mil per (pretty much the going rate or slightly discounted for most 6th men in this league) there simply is no reason to think he cannot perform in that role and perform well. He is a capable starter at worst or an extremely high level bench player at best. And at 26 there is room for growth. He slowly improved his jumper towards the end of last season and was servicable in the pick and pop with Deron. Get more consistant in that area and thats another facet added to his game and the Net offense.

I like Nene...I just wonder exactly how much of an upgrade he would be at the PF spot. With 19 million in cap space...i guess you could concievably grab Nene for 12 and Hump for 7...pray Outlaw shows improvement or Damion James makes progress.

vincecarter4pres · Post #19 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:41 am

He wasn't stuck behind anybody, he sucked it up big time and was beat out for minutes by scrubs.

He's a good rebounder and last year was very good, elite is a total stretch, look at it in context.

I like Hump, he's a good player, first big off the bench type, but Nene is world's better.

grahamslam · Post #20 » by **grahamslam** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:50 am

Haven't had a chance to delve into this deeper but 19 players in NBA history have averaged 10 or more rebounds in a season while playing under 28 minutes a game.

Last year 3 such players managed the feat (Kris Humphries, Reggie Evans, Marcus Camby).

As a starter, in 44 games, Humphries averaged 11 ppg and 12 rpg in roughly 30 mpg. In NBA history only 8 players have averaged 12+ rpg (for a full season) while playing under 30 mpg.

My concern with Humphries is that his level of play from last year may not be sustainable. He also had a rather unremarkable career prior to last season... If Humphries is paid solely on how he performed last year he's a bad contract waiting to happen IMO.

Re-Sign the Hump?