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Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:24 pm
by stephGRAHAMbury
Despite the bad rep he developed as a member of the Nets Travis Outlaw was always the consummate pro who would give 110% when called upon. Whether he was taking long two-point jump shots or taking long two-point jump shots, or it was the fourth quarter and he was taking long two-point jump shots, the one thing you could never question was Travis Outlaw's commitment to making the Nets a better team.

With that being said with the lockout now lifted it appears Outlaw's days as a member of the Nets have come to the end solely because of salary cap related reasons... I think we should all take a minute to remember what Outlaw brought to the Nets and thank him accordingly for the memories he provided us with.

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Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:45 pm
by Born_Ready
once he packs his belongings out of his locker, handcuff his ass, take him to the local jail, book him, and then try him for his heist on the new jersey nets orginization.

fuccn bum.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:39 pm
by NyCeEvO
Do we even know what type of amnesty provision, if any, has been included?


Oh and btw if you really believe that "we should all take a minute to remember what Outlaw brought to the Nets and thank him accordingly for the memories he provided us with" then this should provide you with enough memories for a lifetime....

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Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:41 pm
by jeff1624
^^To be fair he DID have a game where he was clutch in the 4th quarter and made like 4 straight buckets in the closing minutes. I think it was Toronto?? But yeah, no the guy won't be missed.

As for the Amnesty.. there has to be one if they intend to establish harsher Luxury taxes, right?

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:45 pm
by NyCeEvO
jeff1624 wrote:^^To be fair he DID have a game where he was clutch in the 4th quarter and made like 4 straight buckets in the closing minutes. I think it was Toronto?? But yeah, no the guy won't be missed.

As for the Amnesty.. there has to be one if they intend to establish harsher Luxury taxes, right?

I figured that there would be some sort of amnesty but the different variations that we've heard them talking about over the course of the lockout have different repercussions. I want to know the details of the amnesty rules.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:18 pm
by stephGRAHAMbury
Outlaw united Nets fans in a way few other players have done for the team before. You can hate but he still great.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:13 pm
by DarkXaero
stephGRAHAMbury wrote:Outlaw united Nets fans in a way few other players have done for the team before. You can hate but he still great.
Not quite, on NetsDaily, we still had NetIncome (the siterunner) trying to defend Outlaw :lol:

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:58 pm
by vincecarter4pres
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Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:02 am
by jeff1624
With the new rule regarding the Salary Cap and how much of it you must use.. I'm thinking that maybe we shouldn't waive Outlaw right away. If we were to waive him and pursue another SF, we would have to give out a multi year deal which can hurt the teams flexibility later on. We keep Outlaw and test his second year, then waive him after this upcoming season.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:06 am
by Rich Rane
jeff1624 wrote:With the new rule regarding the Salary Cap and how much of it you must use.. I'm thinking that maybe we shouldn't waive Outlaw right away. If we were to waive him and pursue another SF, we would have to give out a multi year deal which can hurt the teams flexibility later on. We keep Outlaw and test his second year, then waive him after this upcoming season.


Spot on. I believe you only get to use the amnesty clause once so if we were to sign another SF to a multi year contract, the Nets wouldn't be able to cut him. Outlaw does well and the Nets win a few more games, the team looks better to say...I don't know, Dwight (I can still dream he doesn't get traded during the season and looks long and hard at Brooklyn) and Deron. He does horribly, the Nets cut him anyway. I say save the space for the next offseason.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:14 am
by vincecarter4pres
You can always trade for a good player on a way overpaid expiring to spend that cap.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:16 am
by jzmagik
Agreed, there's not much benefit to amnestying him now. I'd give him one last chance to see if he can provide any value to us.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:52 am
by stephGRAHAMbury
Eh I'm not worried about salary cap requirements I haven't done any calculations but I'm pretty sure the Nets will have enough salary to meet the minimum salary cap threshold once they ink Jamawful Crawford to a 4 year $40 million deal this offseason :-(

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:18 pm
by DarkXaero
Yea, I think there is a good chance we won't amnesty him immediately. It might be better to wait with the potential trades happening.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:40 pm
by Netaman
Id be surprised if he doesn't get amnestied right away. Not sure keeping him around and waiving him later will have any added convenience and I'm pretty sure that BK will be looking to make moves and improve the team right away.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:29 pm
by NyCeEvO
Can we explain why amnestying Outlaw won't be good right now?

I can somewhat see why we'd wait till next offseason but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to use it mid-season.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:39 pm
by vincecarter4pres
Yeah, if we can't use it mid-season you have to tell him...

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Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:25 am
by King P
Stefan Bondy agrees that Travis Outlaw's contract is "ugly" at $28 million over four, but he writes that the Nets should think hard before they use the amnesty provision on the 6'9" forward. He reasons the Nets have plenty of cap space now and rather than "waste" money on a weak free agent class, they should go the "sensible route": smaller, shorter deals and hold cap space for 2012.

As for the Nets superstar, Bondy writes, "Deron Williams might not be thrilled, but let’s face it, he’s going to explore his options no matter what the Nets do in this upcoming free agency."

I agree with this. If we amnesty Outlaw before picking up another player, then we have to hit the minimum threshold and we are more likely to overpay. Then our amnesty chip is gone just like that.

My thinking is that we wait until next summer to use it. Use the cap space we already have and keep Outlaw around. Like Bondy says, maybe he’ll suck but unless we have someone worth using it on, I’d rather use it to free of space to take on a larger contract next year.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:00 am
by vincecarter4pres
Bondy and some of these others guys don't think outside the box enough, or truly inside the box cause what I'm about to say is not groundbreaking and most of the regulars here had the same ideas before me or at the same time.

You have to amnesty Travis.

You then use that cap space in trade by either taking on overpaid talented players on expiring contracts as stopgaps or useless players on expirings for draft picks.

The third is to just out and out take on salary in a blockbuster deal.

From what I have read, the deadline to use the amnesty is December 25th.

After that you cannot use it again until sometime in July at the start of the 2012 offseason.

You can't risk having a trade scenario come up at some point in the season where you can now only match salary by including Outlaw, essentially and literally ensuring the deal is D.O.A.

You also can't sacrifice being competitive at the expense of saving money.

It is flat out irresponsible and cheapskate status to not amnesty Outlaw.

There are a number of ways to hit the 85% salary floor besides signing mediocre free agents in a state of panic.

That is not an excuse to keep this abomination of a pro athlete on the roster and payroll for an extra season, it just is not.

Bondy should have done his research and gave this some thought if he wants to be taken seriously, a lot of his stuff comes off as uninformed fluff piece regurgitation.

Re: Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:14 pm
by jeff1624
Just curious, what expiring player could we realistically acquire?