regardless of Dwight Howard

netsforever · Post #1 » by **netsforever** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:37 am

this team is going to be fun to watch and better than we were last season

i hope we get him... not optimistic about this... but i'm so shattered about sports (love the Nets and Mets here) that I can't realistically imagine a guy like Howard coming here.

but for what it's worth - here's some positivity!

1) youth - in a shortened season, the fresh legs of our team will be huge. we could steal a bunch of games just by being fresher than most teams - isn't the schedule like 66 games in 120 days?

2) Lopez should be improved - mono is a really tough thing to recover from which I feel really explains a lot of last year... the floating downcourt will at least prove more effective with a top-3 pg throwing the passes instead of Harris...

3) Deron Williams is a top-3 pg in the NBA, and he's already in better shape than most from Turkey...

think we could be a couple of wins over .500 this year?

Revolutionistt · Post #2 » by **Revolutionistt** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:42 pm

I like your optimism, but depth is a huge problem for this team. The Nets will have to get out to big leads and hope the reserves can keep it long enough to let the starters get significant rest. I dont care how young and in shape you are, playing three games in three days will take its toll on your body.

vincecarter4pres · Post #3 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:49 pm

I think people are on some serious bull ****, at least on ND.

How is this barely a playoff team, or not even?

3rd or 4th seed as is...

JDRoma · Post #4 » by **JDRoma** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:54 pm

We were a .500 team when D-Will came here... We didn't really change anything on our roster, and I see everyone improve so I believe it's a possibility that we have a fighting chance to make the 8th seed.

N Ireland Nets · Post #5 » by **N Ireland Nets** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:10 pm

JDRoma wrote:We were a .500 team when D-Will came here... We didn't really change anything on our roster, and I see everyone improve so I believe it's a possibility that we have a fighting chance to make the 8th seed.

Everyone improve?

Bulls signed Rip so should be more dangerous
Heat will be even better

But apart from those two we can compete with every other team. Boston are a year older and dont have a bench plus the condensed season will cause them problems.

The Knicks signed a good centre but again have no real depth and Stat and Chandler are huge injury risks.

Orlando are getting worse, after their lose to Atlanta last season and Dwightmare I doubt they will be up to the same standard.

Atlanta lost their 6th man of the year and are at a stand still.

Philly added noone

Pacers signed West but he is a big injury doubt and they weren't very good last season.

Then you have the rest (toronto etc) who won't be a real threat. We had Williams for something like 12-15 games last season and it was night and day the difference. A full season of D Will with Lopez and the rest equals playoffs.

JDRoma · Post #6 » by **JDRoma** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:34 pm

^^ No I totally agree with you I just re-read my post and I word it wrong. I meant to say was every player improved in our team so I can see us have a fighting chance to compete for the 8th seed.

vincecarter4pres · Post #7 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:34 pm

A fighting chance?

People are starting to piss me off.

I'm going to start a puppy kicking campaign.

I'm not on some homer **** either, this is just common sense and looking at history.

Go through years upon years and years of NBA ball.

Tell me what the 5 through 8 playoff teams look like.

Tell me what teams with a superstar, a young budding star big man, a good supporting cast of tough role players which all fit together well have missed the playoffs.

Then tell me where those teams wind up seed wise in the playoffs.

This team is a playoff lock.

If they are anywhere below the 6 seed as is they were a major disappointment and should be the 3 or 4 seed in all reality, 5th at worst.

Look at Chris Paul's Hornets from last year. LMA's Blazers. The Mavs.

Hell, LOOK AT THE BULLS LAST YEAR.

Why are we not a top team in the East?!

We are a rich man's last year's Hornets of the East.

You guys that say they are lotto, or "have a fighting chance" are starting to disgust me, you sound like the hate filled **** show of the media.

We are supposed to be Nets fans and you guys sound like the haters around the league.

And again, I AM NOT TELLING YOU GUYS TO BE BLIND HOMERS, I AM SAYING TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLAYOFFS AND REGULAR SEASON RECORDS OF THOSE TEAMS YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AND LOOK AT THE ROSTERS OF THOSE TEAMS AND THE TEAMS THAT MISSED.

Jersey Generals · Post #8 » by **Jersey Generals** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:12 pm

Heat? Better.
Bulls? Better.
Knicks? Better.
Celtics? Better in theory.
Magic? Potentially better.
Hawks? Close.
Pacers? Close.
76ers? Close.
Bucks? Not better.

As such, I see anywhere between 4th and 7th seed for this team as a reasonable assessment with what we know right now.

DarkXaero · Post #9 » by **DarkXaero** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:13 pm

Jersey Generals wrote:Heat? Better.
Bulls? Better.
Knicks? Better.
Celtics? Better in theory.
Pacers? Close.
76ers? Close.
Bucks? Not better.

As such, I see anywhere between 4th and 7th seed for this team as a reasonable assessment with what we know right now.

Celtics better in theory? They lost some depth this off season and for reason, stacked up on PFs. I think Pacers are better but 76ers aren't.

vincecarter4pres · Post #10 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:09 pm

Let's show by a raise of hands who thinks those dinosaurs in Boston will handle the back to back to backs of a compressed season...

And why exactly are the Knix better?
I mean for real for real why?

Two ill fitting stars both with injury and durability issues, a center who's very good but yet VERY injury prone himself who's also the flavor of the month but was considered an average player on super albatross for 3 seasons before last year with Dallas.

Then almost zero depth and the translucent silhouette of Mike Bibby's corpse launching bad 3's.
Or how about Baron Davis' fat injured ass?

They'll be good, but I don't like them that much and even if they're better then us they're not some super team.

bobbyc · Post #11 » by **bobbyc** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:39 am

Yea people be trippin.

Everyone thinks the East is so good this year. They are not much better. Everyone is waaaay too high on Indy they added David West who is still recovering and might miss some games already. + Hill who is meh. Their frontcourt sucks.

Agree with VC on the Knicks, they are not on the same level with the Bulls and Heat like everyone thinks they are. There bench sucks and they have no depth in a year where depth is real important. Josh Harellson is their backup C, who is their back pf Jeffries? One of their guys will get hurt and they will not be able to fill their vacancy. Heard D'antoni was considering benching Amare whole games cause of injury concerns periodically throughout the season.

Celtics got waaay worse, they are ridiculously old, lost Jeff Green, and Big Baby. Only added Brandon Bass.

Philly 2010-2011=Philly 2011-2012

Atlanta lost there 2nd best scorer and added no one important to their rotation. There offensive struggles will only further increase this year.

Miami 2010-2011=Miami 2011-2012
Bulls will do just as well
Orlando is about to blow. They are going to be Denver with Melo 2010-2011, which is not good.

We added a lot of depth to this team (Shawn Williams, Marshon, Stevenson maybe, Sheldon Williams) while losing not a single person oh wait 1 person , Deron is far superior this year, and Brook is far improved. This is one of Deron's best teams he has played with. I think we will be better than Orlando and Atlanta and the 5th seed.

Miami
Bulls
big drop off
Celtics
New York Knicks
Nets
Orlando
Atlanta
Indy

Seeds 3-6 will be close.

Jersey Generals · Post #12 » by **Jersey Generals** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:47 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Let's show by a raise of hands who thinks those dinosaurs in Boston will handle the back to back to backs of a compressed season...

And why exactly are the Knix better?
I mean for real for real why?

Two ill fitting stars both with injury and durability issues, a center who's very good but yet VERY injury prone himself who's also the flavor of the month but was considered an average player on super albatross for 3 seasons before last year with Dallas.

Then almost zero depth and the translucent silhouette of Mike Bibby's corpse launching bad 3's.
Or how about Baron Davis' fat injured ass?

They'll be good, but I don't like them that much and even if they're better then us they're not some super team.

I will literally almost guarantee that the Knicks and Boston finish with a better record than the Nets do with what we know now. Could injuries change that? Absolutely, but I'm not going to just pencil in an injury to STAT, Carmelo, or Chandler just because they had a propensity to get injured in the past. As such, with what we know now, I think the Knicks are the number 3 seed, with the other seeds being a toss up, and the Nets being in that field. Just because the Knicks are the three seed in my mind doesn't mean I think they're a championship contender, because they're most likely going to be bounced in the second round, but still, they're a talented team, more so than the Nets.

vincecarter4pres · Post #13 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:58 am

Don't get me wrong, I'm thinking I'm going to lose my sig bet if we don't land Dwight this season lol.

But I think you have to pencil Chandler in for missed games.

But my feelings are they just don't fit good, they have no depth and a super suspect situation at the point.

Boston I'm not seeing, I think they fall to the 7th seed this year.

Truth be told, without Dwight I think the Knix will be the 3rd seed and we'll be 4th, but it will only be by a couple games.

If we get Dwight midseason I think we take the 3.

We get him preseason, the 2.

But again, I'm going off what we have now.

To end my rambling, I don't even have beef with you, or anyone that says the Knix will be better, or really anyone on this Board yet.

I have a problem with all these dunces on ND saying we'll struggle to make the I seed, I'm just taking it out on the air and whoever will listen here cause you run the chance at getting banned there if you don't keep wihthe company line group think and god forbid you aren't as polite as a preist...

Jersey Generals · Post #14 » by **Jersey Generals** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:19 am

vincecarter4pres wrote: I don't even have beef with you...

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JDRoma · Post #15 » by **JDRoma** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:58 am

I just think we have big holes even in our starting line up to say that we are legitimate playoff team. There are too much chemistry problems too. With the roster we have I don't see us making it. If we sign AK47 then I would say we'll be a 6th seed playoff team.

Jersey Generals · Post #16 » by **Jersey Generals** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:42 am

Okay, I'm just going to say it, but...AK-47 sucks. Like, honestly, this isn't 2005 anymore. The dude hasn't been good in years.

vincecarter4pres · Post #17 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:31 am

JDRoma wrote:I just think we have big holes even in our starting line up to say that we are legitimate playoff team. There are too much chemistry problems too. With the roster we have I don't see us making it. If we sign AK47 then I would say we'll be a 6th seed playoff team.

1st, for AK, what JG said. He just isn't very good anymore.

When healthy he's an average small forward at best.

2nd, I wish people would stop thinking and talking and sounding so stupid so much.

Please before any of you say we're not a playoff team ever again, list out the 5 through 8 seeds of the last 3 seasons minimum and then explain to me why your opinionn is worth anything or isn't baseless again.

This is really pissing me off.

Making judgements off 2 preseason games and taking everything out of context.

Why don't you try to explain to me why we're a lotto team when a squad like garbage on fire ass Philly or Indiana made it last year just to start at the top.

Or explain to me last season's Knix?

I'll be here waiting, heating up even more...

JDRoma · Post #18 » by **JDRoma** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:13 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
JDRoma wrote:I just think we have big holes even in our starting line up to say that we are legitimate playoff team. There are too much chemistry problems too. With the roster we have I don't see us making it. If we sign AK47 then I would say we'll be a 6th seed playoff team.

1st, for AK, what JG said. He just isn't very good anymore.

When healthy he's an average small forward at best.

2nd, I wish people would stop thinking and talking and sounding so stupid so much.

Please before any of you say we're not a playoff team ever again, list out the 5 through 8 seeds of the last 3 seasons minimum and then explain to me why your opinionn is worth anything or isn't baseless again.

This is really pissing me off.

Making judgements off 2 preseason games and taking everything out of context.

Why don't you try to explain to me why we're a lotto team when a squad like garbage on fire ass Philly or Indiana made it last year just to start at the top.

Or explain to me last season's Knix?

I'll be here waiting, heating up even more...

AK is a good basketball player. He understand the game very well and he still has all the tools that our team lacks(which is passing and playing the weak side). I don't expect AK to put up big numbers but the numbers he puts up last season(which is 11/5/3). Also, I believe he was the second most effective player next to Deron on why they are winning games last season. In addition, I do think he will compliment Dwight OR Brook.

In simple terms, I don't expect him to average big numbers but I expect him to help us win ALOT more games just by the way he plays.

As for the playoff team, here is my list:

1. Heat - no questions
2. Bulls - no questions
3. Celtics - They will still be the best in ATL.
4. Orlando - I don't see them dropping into the bottom unless Dwight leaves
5. Knicks - D'antoni's scheme is proven to work but not a championship contending team
6. Pacers - They showed last season, they can compete with top teams, they added George Hill and David West which is a huge upgrade, and Paul George will be a lot better this year.
7. 76ers - They didn't add any addition this off-season however, they had a good chemistry this year, and the fact that they have a young core theres no reason for them not improving.
8. Hawks - Push
9. Nets - Push
10. ??? - There is always a surprise team especially on a 66 game season.

My problem with the Nets is other than Brook and D-Will, everyone lacks important skills that will make them a real starters. Hump is a stat padder who only cares about rebounding and blocking, Morrow can shoot and an O.K. defender other than that he is worthless, D. James doesn't threaten the defense one bit, and on top of that we have a very thin bench. Don't get me wrong, If we can replace Brook with a player that will impact the game a lot more (i.e. Dwight) The other players we have will improve drastically.

JDRoma · Post #19 » by **JDRoma** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:17 am

In addition with AK, in 82games, AK is shown to be the second most effective player in Utah with a +5.2 simple rating

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011UTA.HTM

vincecarter4pres · Post #20 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:29 pm

Again, I'm sitting here waiting for you to post rosters of 5 through 8 seeds, not your opinion of, "Hey they have chemistry so I say they're better!"

I think people are missing the point here.

I'm not trying to say your opinion doesn't matter or what not, I'm trying to say have some substance behind it and look at facts before making your "lulzabah!!!1!!1! ZOMG!!" claims...

I'm still here waiting for you to tell me why the Sixers are a great playoff team from last year with Spencer Hawes and Jason Smith and Mareese Speights and Lou Williams and "..."

And they are one example, that being a stronger example.

Tell me about the Bucks from 2 seasons ago?

How about last year's Pacers and their sub 40 win record with uber scrubs like Brandon Rush, Dahntay Jones and a bunch of fringe NBA bigs and AJ Price bringing the bench up with the overrated and below average Collison running the point...

Still sitting here waiting for you to list teams with top 10 superstars and a top 25 to 40ish big man with crazy potential and tangible current kinetic production with a solid supporting cast of good defenders and shooters and a lunch pail 2nd big that didn't make the playoffs, let alone wasn't a 5 or 6 seed...

Still waiting for you to tell me about last year's Hornets and their roster...

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