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Do you think We could possibly go after Kevin Love this Summer as well? regardless of Dwight being here or Lopez still being here..And is Love and Lopez enough to make Deron want to stay

I think the real question is whether we would extend and trade Lopez for K-Love.

We should poll that...

No Comment. There is too much that can happen between now and next summer.

Kevin Love is better, but Brook has more potential.

At this point, I trade Brook for Love without reservation.

Love may not be as valuable as his stats, but that's because his stats paint him like Wilt freakin' Chamberlain.

I was on the fence this summer, I'm convinced now.

We can't go for him in free agency, because Wolves will match any offer. A sign & trade for Brook Lopez is interesting but I don't think the Wolves would ever do it.

DarkXaero wrote:We can't go for him in free agency, because Wolves will match any offer. A sign & trade for Brook Lopez is interesting but I don't think the Wolves would ever do it.

I agree.

Didn't know he was an RFA...nvm then

This is from the original "Dwight Howard Monitoring Thread", but it serves better purpose here...

vincecarter4pres wrote:

stephGRAHAMbury wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:I'm pretty sure I just had an epiphany.

Go head, ask me what it is, I dare you!

What's your epiphany bro?

Glad you ask my mellow my man.

We've talked about this before on this board and recently in a thread sort of dedicated to it, but it's been here the whole time staring me in the face, staring you in the face, eyeball @#&!ing all of us!

It's has been prophesied, ironically by Disney.

At the deadline we'll trade Brook and our pick unprotected for Kevin Love.

Our Big 3 will be Deron/Dwight/Love.

Understand, this is more tongue in cheek or, I'm playin' but I'm sayin', but it's certainly not inconceivable and would make a lot of sense for both sides if a number of variables worked in our favor.

First and foremost this would have to be an 11th hour deal in which Dwight was not being dealt or was already dealt somewhere else.

Second, the Timberwolves would have to be lotto bound again.

Third, Love would still have to be relatively unhappy with the organization, apprehensive and apathetic when asked about signing extensions and his future with the team like he has been in the very recent past.

Fourth, Brook will have had to be back for at least say 15 games and have looked fully healed and strong, and improved and dedicated as a player.

Fifth, our record would have to be bad, meaning we were top 10 lotto locks more or less even if we went on a crazy run after Love joined the team or their wouldn't be nearly the same value to the Wolves and so even if they were to 11th hour deal Love they could probably get equal or better value elsewhere and the offer wouldn't blow them away or at least satisfy them like it would if we had say the 5th worst record in the league when this deal went down.

Just some food for thought, throwing it out there.

Anyone see the wiretap?

NyCeEvO wrote:Anyone see the wiretap?

The Wolves will match any offer for Love and there's no way he accepts his qualifying offer with (presumably) a max offer sitting on his desk.

I like that attitude, thinking that you're the best regardless of whether you actually are. You have to believe in yourself to be successful

Um, is this thread serious? See, there's this called a salary cap and Love would have to fit under it. Deadline deal or not, there is no way they could fit in his contract along with Dwight and Deron.

On the contrary, a trade involving Brook and this years pick, in exchange for Kevin Love would elicit simply .8 million less in salary cap.

7.6 for Brook's caphold
3.5 for this year's pick caphold.

11.1

11.4 for Love's caphold.
473 k for the extra player caphold.

11.9

Plus, no one actually believes Kevin Love will be traded.

elbowj wrote:Um, is this thread serious? See, there's this called a salary cap and Love would have to fit under it. Deadline deal or not, there is no way they could fit in his contract along with Dwight and Deron.

No, actually this thread is largely a joke. This is why you need to leave because you don't know how our board rolls. We're just joking around and we're not seriously thinking about Love.

Theoretically, many things are possible but unless the players really have a super plan, I doubt anything will happen. Stop annoying us and leave.

LMAO

Down the line Love could be a possibility but only like people are saying if he decides to take the qualifying offer which means he's leaving big money on the table for the year. If (getting ahead of myself) Love lets the T'Wolves know he is planning on leaving in 2013 and took the qualifying offer then your in the same situation all over again that Utah with Williams, Denver with Melo, Howard with Miami, NO with Paul were all in. Do they trade early or wait till the last minute for the best offer?

It wouldn't surprise me (in regards King) if Howard was still with Orlando and was hitting free agency if the Nets made a trade coming up to draft night a few days before free agency opened by trading Lopez & picks for a star SF/PF player. A player like Love would be the perfect target but thats not happening at the minute obviously. I'm just playing the game here but it would make for an easier pitch to Williams and Howard to sign with the Nets if they were able to bring in a stud SF or PF as if to say here's you team, Brooks & a stud from a Lopez trade to go along with you two (D Will & D12) to open the Barclays Centre in Brooklyn.

Yeh sure your hedging your bets in a big way by trading a top big man while your superstar is opting out but obviously you would only do such a thing so long as you know what Williams plans were and what Howard has indicated to Williams. Im convinced that both Howard and Williams have made there decision about what they want to do, we just don't have a clue but the earliest indication of things to come, if Howard isn't traded by deadline, would be the draft.

Wish I could fast forward to June 28th, sorry for rambling on.

NyCeEvO wrote:

elbowj wrote:Um, is this thread serious? See, there's this called a salary cap and Love would have to fit under it. Deadline deal or not, there is no way they could fit in his contract along with Dwight and Deron.

No, actually this thread is largely a joke. This is why you need to leave because you don't know how our board rolls. We're just joking around and we're not seriously thinking about Love.

Theoretically, many things are possible but unless the players really have a super plan, I doubt anything will happen. Stop annoying us and leave.

I'm not some Dallas level homer troll, but personally, I think something similar to my idea will happen at the deadline.

Dwight is either not going to be dealt, or Otis is going to send him somewhere like Golden State for value and simultaneously out of spite and hope that Dwight will sign out of conference.

Billy will have a huge move wrapped up with the understanding of the other GM that this is an 11th hour deal submitted at the last possible second once it's seen what will happen with Dwight.

I also think Love is a very real possibility.

He is not happy in Minnesota, it's that simple.
I certainly do not think he hates it there, but he wants to win and he wants a big market.
Minny has a chance to start winning, Rubio and Derrick Williams could be phenoms and they can trade spare parts for a high level Iggy like role player.
But, you just get the sense from all his interviews that he wants to leave.

Love is restricted, so you can't get him via FA and he would bring back a ton of the block, but if he goes to Kahn behind closed doors and asks out, like it had been vaguely rumored he has in the past, things start heating up.

You can bet we would be one of his preferred destinations.

Thing is, even if it seems like a sense of entitlement, even if he's restricted, etc., etc., what you don't want is an angry and apathetic star player who never wanted you to match his contract and is becoming a cancer, distraction and side show for years.

But if Minny and ourselves are looking lotto bound at the deadline with us having a very bad record and them having a not so bad but almost definitely lotto record, we start coming into the huge value conversation.

Lopez, Damion James and our pick unprotected with Petro or/and Shawne Williams contract(s) thrown in for Love and Webster makes a lot of sense for both sides.

Again, I'm not saying it's probable, but it isn't as crazy as it sounds.


That pick has a ton of value and could be very high and as much as his detractors like to come down on him, Brook is still an elite young center who would benefit greatly from playing with a point guard like Rubio just like he did/will benefit by playing with Deron.


You could ask why not just keep Brook and the pick?


Well if we're setting up for Dwight and if we're also setting up to ensure Deron will stay, this type of move goes a long way.


Love might be another superstar big man, but he's more of an elite complimentary player that will drop an uber efficient 20ppg in his sleep within the flow of the offense, so I don't see him clashing with Dwight like say a Griffin or Amar'e would.


Brook is great and all, but A) There's no denying it, Love is better, a fringe top 10 player, so whether Brook became that or whatever, Love's name lends a ton of cred to Deron staying and Dwight coming cause he is not just potential but actual... and... B) He is a power forward. Brook is going to pose a bad problem for us at the 4 even next to Dwight. Even if we wind up keeping him and the pick, it will be something of an experiment that I would bet on ending after the maximum of a full season before he was dealt for a better fit even if that player was not as good or older.

N Ireland Nets wrote:It wouldn't surprise me (in regards King) if Howard was still with Orlando and was hitting free agency if the Nets made a trade coming up to draft night a few days before free agency opened by trading Lopez & picks for a star SF/PF player. A player like Love would be the perfect target but thats not happening at the minute obviously. I'm just playing the game here but it would make for an easier pitch to Williams and Howard to sign with the Nets if they were able to bring in a stud SF or PF as if to say here's you team, Brooks & a stud from a Lopez trade to go along with you two (D Will & D12) to open the Barclays Centre in Brooklyn.

This is why I keep saying an 11th hour deal.

You cannot use Brook in a draft night trade, he is officially a free agent to be the day the deadline passes this year as far as trade rules go.

Once the trade deadline passes this season, you can't trade Brook again unless it's as a S&T in the offseason and then all 3 parties have to agree on the contract and components of the trade and if it's a team that will be way under the cap anyway, it gets a lot trickier.

We're now not much more than a day away and counting on the NBA deadline for the Wolves to sign Kevin Love and the Wolves have yet to reach a deal on a contract extension with him.

One team source told me tonight that the Wolves are closing in on a five-year maximum contract deal that would pay him more than $78 million and despite such a forthcoming deal, David Kahn hasn't won any brownie points with Love in this negotiation.

Another said that as of Monday afternoon, the team still hadn't moved off its four-year, $61 million offer.

Yes, the Wolves very well can argue that $61 million is still better than Love can do elsewhere as a restrictred free agent next summer and try to call his bluff on it.

But anyone who watched Love's deliver a 39-point, 12-rebound night despite playing ill in Monday's 107-92 loss to the Kevin McHale-coached Rockets knows where the franchise would be without him:
Pretty much right back to 2007, when McHale traded Kevin Garnett away in a package that brought Jefferson from Boston to Minnesota.

The question is, do they want to haggle with him enough to risk alienating him into not only waiting until he becomes a restricted free agent next summer (when the Wolves simply will match any four-year offer that Love gets) but also tempt him into thinking about playing out a qualifying-offer year next season and become an unrestricted free agent in 2013.

Now, he'd be crazy to accept a $6 million deal (or try to negotiate a better one-year contract) and risk injury or worse rather than take $61 million upfront, right?

Yes, he would be, but ego and pride and a sincere fascination to play for a team like, say, the Lakers can make a fellow do funny things.

Here's one important development to watch as the hours tick away toward Wednesday night:
New Orleans shooting guard Eric Gordon told Yahoo! Sports Monday night that he's waiting to see if NBA commissioner David Stern -- not Hornets GM Dell Demps -- will extend him a contract offer by Wednesday night.

Now remember that Wolves owner Glen Taylor is the chairman of the NBA Board of Governors who has Stern on speed dial and it's very possible he's waiting to for Stern to move with Gordon before he finalizes any deal with Love.

I got the distinct impression from Taylor last week that he doesn't believe the league, which owns the Hornets, is willing max out Gordon.

If Gordon does get a five-year max deal like Oklahoma City's Russell Westbrook did last week, all that's left for Love to do is sign that five-year contract.

Now, I have no doubt that Love and agent Jeff Schwartz believe his deal should be linked with Westbrook's rather than with Gordon, and Westbrook signed a deal worth between $79 million and $80 million.

Taylor wasn't at Monday's game, although I'm not sure if that meant he was simply away on business, he was busy elsewhere pursuing a deal with Love (very doubtful because Kahn was at the game) or whether he just didn't want to be there for whatever reason when McHale returned to Target Center.

I do know he was home in Mankato on Sunday night because I reached him then and in a fairly brief conversation he said no deal was yet in sight.

One thing I do know for sure: This whole thing will be over soon, or at least until July if the Wolves don't sign Love now.

And if you think this issue has been a distraction the last couple weeks, just wait if it gets kicked down the road until next summer.

If it goes that far, it probably will go one step farther to 2013 or perhaps a sign-and-trade to another team because why would he wait all that time only to accept a lesser offer (another team could only offer him 4.5 percent raises while the Wolves can offer 7.5 percent) next summer.

via http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/137946583.html, written by Jerry Zgoda

What the heck is Minny doing? Waiting to see if Gordon gets a max extension to see whether Love is worth it--what?

He's your player, take care of him. I just don't see the logic in not giving him a 5-year deal. In Love's mind, I'm sure this can only mean that Minny is either being cheap or does not value him as their superstar.

Kaaaaaaaaahhnnn isn't helping his reputation right now.

I know that many of us looked at this as a long shot, but if Minny doesn't give him the max deal by the extension, sign-and-trade rumors will run amuck from now for a long time.

This is why although I don't expect it, I don't think it's out of the question Love is moved by deadline if the offer is attractive enough.