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Hey VC, who do you think would be our best option if Irving isn't available?? I'm hearing a lot about Jared Sullinger, what are your thoughts on him?

why would we draft sullinger if favors and lopez are in our future? we wouldnt. i would like an athletic offensively gifted SF like a perry jones or terrence jones... maybe enes kanter if we go the big route... sullinger will be top 2 and it would be tough for us to fall to there anyway

Why not Walker or Barnes?

i like the jones's better than barnes and walker maybe but hes a bit too undersized

This batch of draft aspirants are beginning to show some promise. Maybe we'll get a diamond in the rough...

Most likely we are going to get a pick between 5-9, unless we get really lucky.

Sullinger looks like a more athletic kevin love, and is the guaranteed number 1 pick this year and Irving would be picked soon after or might stay to play a full year at Duke, you never know. So Sullinger and Irving are definitely not getting picked with our pick. Barnes is probally going to stay too because he has had a bad year relative to being a top recruit. And Kemba Walker has cooled down a lot, shooting around 35% in the last 7 games and not scoring as much, partly because they have been playing decent teams lately. I dont see him being that successful in the nba, cause he is small.

I think we are most likely going to end up with not a big name draftee. It's a pretty weak draft too imo. Definitely not what we need.

And we can draft a big man and have a three man rotation of favors, lopez, pick like the lakers. We just need to draft the best player we can get, cause Favors could end up being mediocre( worst case scenario).

Definitely do not pray that we suck and get a high draft pick cause the answer to our problems is most likely not in this draft and unless we play better, next year we are going to have another year where we barely miss the playoffs in the weak conference.

Sullinger could be around at our pick, but I think he's a likely top 5 lock.

I like Sullinger, I think he'll be somewhere between Scola and Boozer.
Extremely heady player. Just great instincts and seems like an alpha and a winner.
Great rebounder, great low post game, supposedly solid mid ranger shooter, but he never really has a chance to show that off yet. Solid passer for sure. Just gets it.

Not athletic though. Below the rim player. He's crafty and a banger. I don't think it will limit him in the NBA, think he'll be a pretty efficient scorer and overall high level offensive player.

He's gonna be a sieve on defense though.



Perry Jones has just a world of potential, but he's one of those guys that doesn't seem to have a killer instinct and might be content being a 3rd banana type.

He's crazy athletic, his handle is absurd for a big man. He can pass. Score from the perimeter, in transition and in the post. Moves fluidly. And he does a lot of the little things, like set good screens, position's himself for rebounds, knows when to leak, etc.

On the same foot, at times he looks lost. Kind of an enigma. Jut not aggressive enough either.

No way he plays the 3 full time in the L though, IMHO, he's a 4 through and through.



Terrence Jones? I don't know, I'm 50/50 on him. He can go into serious black hole, ballhog mode and I'm not sure if he can be a successful full time 3, he's in a Odom, Josh Smith mold, but he's not as good a passer or playmaker. He is a good overall passer and playmaker, but he just looks to score like 80% of the time.



Alec Burks is a guy I love some nights, don't like much on others. He seems more Larry Hughes or Jamal Crawford then Brandon Roy. He's just putrid on the defensive end for the most part and it's not cause he doesn't have the physical gifts.



Derrick Williams(Here we go again, another Williams, lol.) is an interesting guy. There's a solid debate on what he is in the NBA. He's certainly a lot more power forward then small right now, but he has the lateral quicks to defend 3's on a nightly basis and his handle is a lot better then it seems on the surface.

Athletic as all hell and he's strong, good overall shot, nice post game, pick and roll, etc.

Seems a little more Millsap right now, but has strong potential to develop into a Danny Granger type and I would personally take him over Terrence Jones any day of the week right now.



Jordan Hamilton needs mention. He's a guy that might shoot up draft boards, I think he goes top 10 when it's all said and done.

Nice small forward, but his handles are kind of suspect. Can shoot the hell out of the ball and score though. Pretty athletic. Prototypical small forward size. Solid defender, good rebounder, doesn't get to the line enough for my liking.

He kind of reminds me of Wesley Johnson, has a lot more potential though, but I don't love him. His inability to create off the dribble is going to hinder him, but he could be a Jason Richardson type.



While we're on Texas, let's talk about Triston Thompson. I like this kid a lot, but he's also got the dreaded tweener status going. Crazy athletic and finds ways to create shots. He just makes plays. He's aggressive, extremely active, good defender, high level rebounder. He reminds me of a cross between LaMarcus Aldridge and Thadeus Young.



The guy I really love is Cory Joseph. Right now he's playing off the ball a ton, but he's a point guard through and through. I liken him to a cross between Billups and Deron Williams in style of play.

I don't know that he declares this year, especially with a lockout looming unless he's guaranteed top ten or at least lottery. He's too skinny and still somewhat raw, but this kid has perennial top 10 NBA point guard written all over him. He's Thompson's high school teammate BTW.

Athletic, quick, good shooter and overall scoring instincts, but still good court vision and playmaking skills, can run the pick and roll, plays well off the ball with another plakmaker, heady, decent defensive instincts, I just really like this kid. Great in transition.

Again, I doubt he declares this year though, but he'll be this year's Jrue Holliday in a sense if he stays in the draft and slips.



I'm the wrong guy to ask about Barnes. I saw him a bunch of times early in the year and he looked just terrible. He's not the athlete he was advertised as, couldn't hit the side of a barn with an Uzi, his first step was weak, handle was meh, looked lost and nervous, just screamed 15ppg Shane Battier to me. I haven't seen him lately, but supposedly he's been beasting and looks like a whole different player.



Haven't seen Kemba as much as I would like this season, but he reminds me a lot of a smaller, weaker Marbury. Not a fan.



I like Brandon Knight, but he reminds me of a better scoring, more turnover prone/out of control Kirk Hinrich. He has a lot of potential, but he seems a little overhyped coming into the season. Not sure where he gets drafted, in most mocks he's in the late teens right now, but he's certainly talented enough to break the top 10.


Did I miss anybody?

Well that was a nice summary Do you keep an eye on Euro/overseas prospects?

Oh and BTW let's not draft another Williams. It just feels like we have some sort of curse going with them right now

enes kanter and jimmer fredette are potentials... especially if we end up between 10 and 14 picks

xam2k7 wrote:enes kanter and jimmer fredette are potentials... especially if we end up between 10 and 14 picks

If we wind up between the 10th and 14th pick it means we traded for Melo and kept our pick...

Shark wrote:Well that was a nice summary Do you keep an eye on Euro/overseas prospects?

Oh and BTW let's not draft another Williams. It just feels like we have some sort of curse going with them right now

Thanks.

Honestly don't know anything more on the current Euros other then what I read on DraftExpress and the draft board on RealGM.

Yeah, the Williams' curse honestly scares me, lol.

Even if we trade for Deron Williams, I fear he suddenly transforms his game into the new Iverson.

vincecarter4pres wrote:

xam2k7 wrote:enes kanter and jimmer fredette are potentials... especially if we end up between 10 and 14 picks

If we wind up between the 10th and 14th pick it means we traded for Melo and kept our pick...

true your right we'll most likely be no where passed 8th with the current roster. but enes kanter is still a possibility in the top 8 hes supposed to be a phenomenal talent and prokhorov might go european

xam2k7 wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:

xam2k7 wrote:enes kanter and jimmer fredette are potentials... especially if we end up between 10 and 14 picks

If we wind up between the 10th and 14th pick it means we traded for Melo and kept our pick...

true your right we'll most likely be no where passed 8th with the current roster. but enes kanter is still a possibility in the top 8 hes supposed to be a phenomenal talent and prokhorov might go european

I doubt Kanter will be there at 8. He's too good.

Good summary man. I need to watch more College ball. As far as Barnes not coming out because of a bad year, let's keep in mind this little tournament that happens in March (if they make it, which they'll probably will, even with their loss to Duke). Derrick Rose was very much off the radar for most of his freshman year (playing 2nd fiddle to CDR), then MM comes and he tears it up (after figuring things out) and bolts for the NBA.

I do have the Duke/NC game recorded on my DVR. I should watch that and get a better feel of him. Granted, he didn't have a good game statistically, but still should be good barometer.

I haven't completely given up on Barnes yet. I don't think he'll be a superstar, but I think he can still be a nice player. BTW, watch his interviews. Seems like a really mature kid for his age. Mikhail Prokorov probably drools at that potential marketing if things work out that way with Barnes and the Nets.

I think Barnes may come out on hype alone, especially with the lock out.

He's likely still a top 10 lock, definitely lotto, but if he came back next year and puts up another stinker he risks falling out of the lottery into late teens, early 20's territory.

Disagree about Rose though, he was only not on NBA fans radar, he was top 3 almost his entire freshman year, the tourney just locked him into 1st overall.

You follow NCAA and the draft closely though. I personally didn't really hear much about Rose until later in the season. I think most average fans as well. I seem to remember guys like Gordon, Love, Hibbert, Beasley, but not much about Rose.

Nah, it was Rose and Beasley all year, Mayo occasionally thrown into the mix.

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Guess I really didn't pay attention much that year. But, point still stands. Barnes was projected to be top 3 for his SR year until his recent slump in NC freshman year. If he was to blow up in the tourney, he'd go back to where he was projected earlier on, if not very close to it.

kanter may be a reach at 8 but were in the 6th spot right now and i think kanter is a real big possibility with prokhorov trying to appeal to europe more

xam2k7 wrote:kanter may be a reach at 8 but were in the 6th spot right now and i think kanter is a real big possibility with prokhorov trying to appeal to europe more

I don't know much about him, but from the little I have seen he looks like a 6'10 Brook to me.