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I have notice that when any other player on the floor is shooting well the nets seem to ride that player until he stops except for Brooks. He is always the last second shot guy or the bail out guy. But he is such a good shooter that they need to go to him more. And when he is double teamed he can find players because be is a much better passer than I thouhgt he would be.

To be honest, I fear that he won't/can't be used on this team in the future. He excels when he has the ball in his hands and can make moves.

Yes, he does generate TOs from that position but he also makes a lot of good plays.

The problem I foresee is what do we do with him once Lopez comes back.

Avery dropped a WMD on his confidence when Brook came back and told MarShon the pecking order and MarShon will need to get his points off of fast break opportunities and TOs.

Even if that is true, you don't tell you're rookie who scores that he can no longer score. When Lopez came back, that's when he played worst basketball of the season, because he was trying to find his identity.

Howard has been passing out of double teams to his shooters a lot more this season so I see the Nets being more compatible with MarShon if Howard is here, but Lopez isn't. Lopez takes a long time to make a move and kills the clock so it leaves little time for passing out of double teams.

I'm not saying that I prefer to keep MarShon over Brook, but there is already a clear dilemma (1/2 due to Brook's playing style/ 1/2 due to Avery not knowing how to get MarShon scoring opportunities).

If we get Howard and definitely keep Lopez, I think MarShon needs to be traded for a knock down shooter. He just won't get used effectively or efficiently with Lopez (letalone Howard there).

Because Avery is a bad coach. Marshon is the best scorer on the team and he is being held back by Johnson. Yes he needs to find his way within the team offense but we should be going to him in when they have a hard time scoring no dwill. Unless dwill is on. There are plenty of times that marshon has beat his man on other plays and when we rurally need it they go to dwill even if he is having a bad game, I get that he is the star. But if he isn't on and Brooks is brooks should get the ball and thats not happening

Sharcm1 wrote:Because Avery is a bad coach. Marshon is the best scorer on the team and he is being held back by Johnson. Yes he needs to find his way within the team offense but we should be going to him in when they have a hard time scoring no dwill. Unless dwill is on. There are plenty of times that marshon has beat his man on other plays and when we rurally need it they go to dwill even if he is having a bad game, I get that he is the star. But if he isn't on and Brooks is brooks should get the ball and thats not happening

No he isn't. He's behind Deron and Lopez in that department.

From what I have seen Brooks looks like a chucker. He is best served coming off picks for mid range jumpers. Having him limited to efficient shots will actually help his career. Using humphries to set picks so he gets open shots a la Billups to Hamilton will be the best use of him this season. Going forward you have to hope he develops range, but making him play defense for shot attempts will only help his career.

nykballa2k4 wrote:From what I have seen Brooks looks like a chucker. He is best served coming off picks for mid range jumpers. Having him limited to efficient shots will actually help his career. Using humphries to set picks so he gets open shots a la Billups to Hamilton will be the best use of him this season. Going forward you have to hope he develops range, but making him play defense for shot attempts will only help his career.

Have you seen him stop and pop shots?

Dude is far from being Rip or Ray Allen in that regard.

He plays his best when he has the ball in his hands.

He will definitely lead to learn how to play off the ball, but not everyone can switch from being primary on-the-ball scorers to primary off-the-ball spot shooters.

Brooks is a Melo type of iso player who stops the ball and basically goes iso.

He was an absolute steal at 25 in the draft but id trade him while his value is at his highest. Lets get real here, if we have Lopez, Howard and Williams, Brooks is going to struggle get 10 points a game if he's a starter.

Im starting to come around to the trade Brooks in a way, although i wont mind at all obviously if we keep him

I wouldn't trade him. I really think he has great potential and is the type of guy that will work to improve his game. remember he wants to be kobe. Not that he will ever get to that level but I think he will try his hardest to improve.

If we do wind up with howard in the off season then marshon should go to the bench and we should start morrow. We will need morrow's shooting and brooks can be the primary scorer for the second unit. I think that's a role he can strive in. Give him the ball and get out of the way.

He is a very weird scorer. He actually shoots better when he is being guarded.

Sharcm1 wrote:I wouldn't trade him. I really think he has great potential and is the type of guy that will work to improve his game. remember he wants to be kobe. Not that he will ever get to that level but I think he will try his hardest to improve.

Those two statements are mutually exclusive.

A player can have Kobe's work ethic but that doesn't mean that they'll be close to what he was.

Most of the greats were pretty athletic and then on top of that had good/great skill.

I see MarShon as having good skill but he doesn't have enough athletic potential to take him to the star level.

He can dunk, but we'll never see this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpOJqIbPyBc&feature=related[/youtube]

Or this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXo0x0ZiNoE[/youtube]

Yes, these are spectacular plays but more importantly they show fearlessness (the first one being from his rookie year) coupled with athleticism. That's what make these guys great players.

If he works uber-hard and maxes out on his potential, I could see him being a fringe star, but he just simply doesn't have the athleticism like LBJ, Wade, Kobe, MJ.

I think his absolute highest ceiling is Kevin Martin. He's not going to be a #1 option on your championship team.

If he develops a fire under him and that's a big IF, I think he can reach that Kevin Martin level. But I could very well see what VC is saying in that he keeps making boneheaded moves, like a better version of Marvin Williams in that he'd always be able to contribute and make money somewhere, but he'll never be 'The Man'.

If we do wind up with howard in the off season then marshon should go to the bench and we should start morrow. We will need morrow's shooting and brooks can be the primary scorer for the second unit. I think that's a role he can strive in. Give him the ball and get out of the way.

He is a very weird scorer. He actually shoots better when he is being guarded.

Again, I think that's a waste of his talent and something that he wouldn't want to do. Ideally, bench players for championship caliber teams are instant spark plugs. They usually are the tweeners who can't start because they'd get dominated if they were the main matchup, but are really effective in spurts, or a guy who is great at one thing but bad everything else (e.g. Novak/Eddie House - 3pt, Reggie Evans - rebounding, Jason Maxiell/Nate Robinson - spark plug/energy guy, White Mamba - Crowd pleaser). If anything Morrow is the specialist that should be brought off the bench, not MarShon.

MarShon's is too talented and not enough of a spark plug to come off the bench. He and Lopez are both ballstoppers are unforunately. They both hold the ball for too long and when you have more than one on your team, one will suffer and therefore, you won't use one of them effectively and up to their potential.

I'd rather have one traded and know that there's only one ballstopper than have both. They cancel each other out.

So (for argument's sake), the Ray Allen of last year/ two years ago would be perfect for a Lopez/Howard pairing because he just catches and shoots. However, MarShon would need to go.

Or LMA/Love would be great for MarShon cuz they make quick decisions and are mobile.

I think you'll see what I mean next year if they're both here. You can tell that unless they change their games dramatically (and they won't) they can't really co-exist in the lineup together.

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woah woah hold it... Marshon can't come off the bench cuz he's too talented? Ever heard of Ginobili, Terry, Odom, Crawford, Barbosa, KEVIN MCHALE? I would contend that you NEED that off the bench, a guy who can create his own shot, and do it on high percentages. Time and time again we've seen great coaches like Popovic and Jackson do this with players who "should" be starting. Obvious point.

#2. Can Marshon play with the first unit? This is more ambiguous, a month or two ago I would have thought it might be a problem. Some things changed my mind. THE kid showed he can play team ball. 3 apg as a starter isnt much but keep in mind we're the next to worst offensive team in the league. We got Williams, Farmar, Morrow, that's it! Our bigs get dominated in the paint. Not next season.

Brooks is supposedly pure chucker, but he can handle the ball and create for his teammates. There was one absolutely sick alley oop to Green a couple days where he was coming off a screen pretty much blind from the three point line. Thats a pass a lot of point guards can't make. And he can distance shoot, dare I say better than Kobe for his first 5 seasons. And he's gonna get better. We've seen that already this season, his outside shot has gotten better every month.

So I say poppycock to the suggestion that we trade Brooks, or Lopez for that matter. We CAN win with this core, and they do complement D12, so unless we're really bringing in superior players, theres no reason to pull anymore trades. Keep in mind we will have a good pick to dangle and the MLE if to fill in the lineup further.

I'd hope to package MarShon and the Rockets pick for a top 10 pick on draft night.

vincecarter4pres wrote:I'd hope to package MarShon and the Rockets pick for a top 10 pick on draft night.

I don't see anyone doing that trade if the Rockets don't make the playoffs this year.

jeff1624 wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:I'd hope to package MarShon and the Rockets pick for a top 10 pick on draft night.

I don't see anyone doing that trade if the Rockets don't make the playoffs this year.

Well, we wouldn't have the pick at all if they don't make the playoffs lol.

jeff1624 wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:I'd hope to package MarShon and the Rockets pick for a top 10 pick on draft night.

I don't see anyone doing that trade if the Rockets don't make the playoffs this year.

Don't be a jerk.

If we do keep him why not make him a sixth man? If Avery were smart he would have made him the primary scoring option for on the bench unit. That way he doesn't get limited touches as he does when he's on the floor with Lopez and you also get some much needed scoring off the bench. I just wish Avery would experiment a bit more with his line up.

vincecarter4pres wrote:I'd hope to package MarShon and the Rockets pick for a top 10 pick on draft night.

Who in the top 10 would be better than Marshon/Rockets pick (aside from the top 3 studs or so)?

The reason its hard to continually go to him, and why he is always up against the shot clock is because it takes him at a minimum 12-15 dribbles before getting a shot off. And there really is no need to double team him, as most of his shot are well contested(to his credit, that doesnt seem to phase him - which is great).

Once he can score better within an offensive set, and attack quicker, he will see more opportunities. with morrow its catch and shoot, or a few dribbles and up. farmar is quick to go to the hoop or hoist it up. so its easier to stick with those two.

And to say he is our best scorer, when you have williams who is a 20+ ppg guy, and lopez a 20 ppg guy, both as guys opponents focus to stop, is just silly.

SpeedyG wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:I'd hope to package MarShon and the Rockets pick for a top 10 pick on draft night.

Who in the top 10 would be better than Marshon/Rockets pick (aside from the top 3 studs or so)?

Lamb
Ross
Beal
Waiters
Barnes
MKG

PetroNet wrote:The reason its hard to continually go to him, and why he is always up against the shot clock is because it takes him at a minimum 12-15 dribbles before getting a shot off. And there really is no need to double team him, as most of his shot are well contested(to his credit, that doesnt seem to phase him - which is great).

Once he can score better within an offensive set, and attack quicker, he will see more opportunities.

with morrow its catch and shoot, or a few dribbles and up. farmar is quick to go to the hoop or hoist it up. so its easier to stick with those two.

Yes, it's called ball stopper lol.

Lack of quickness, 1st step, slow decision making and in general style of dominating the ball.

I'm sure he'll improve and become better at it, but it's just his game and probably something that will never actually go away.

vincecarter4pres wrote:

PetroNet wrote:The reason its hard to continually go to him, and why he is always up against the shot clock is because it takes him at a minimum 12-15 dribbles before getting a shot off. And there really is no need to double team him, as most of his shot are well contested(to his credit, that doesnt seem to phase him - which is great).

Once he can score better within an offensive set, and attack quicker, he will see more opportunities.

with morrow its catch and shoot, or a few dribbles and up. farmar is quick to go to the hoop or hoist it up. so its easier to stick with those two.

Yes, it's called ball stopper lol.

Lack of quickness, 1st step, slow decision making and in general style of dominating the ball.

I'm sure he'll improve and become better at it, but it's just his game and probably something that will never actually go away.

id be fine trading him, we'd be selling high, based on where he is vs. his draft position... plus like some have mentioned here, i dont think he fits in a on championship calibur team, because he doesnt make an impact without the ball...

if he was a plus defender, id say sure, but at best, his is average on defense, and offensively, invisible without the ball. when you have an elite PG/C combo, i think you want more of a slasher/shooter/defensive/energy guy on the wings. someone like an iggy or a paul george type. guys who make an impact when not scoring.