Outsider question- Wallace trade

[FGump]

Can someone who knows the Nets inside and out explain the rationale behind the Wallace trade?

It looks to me like a one-month rental of a good but not special player. At the price of what could have been a high lottery pick in a strong draft.

Giving away the potential of that pick, for what seems like such a small value, is what i just can't get my mind around. I don't see a worthwhile gain of cap space from the trade (nor a need or desire for any, to be honest), and it certainly isn't a pick someone would want to discard thoughtlessly.

Wallace doesn't seem to be some sort of missing piece, especially under the assumption he's only here for a month or so.

What am I missing?

[therealbig3]

There's no good reason, but I think we can take pretty good guesses at why King did this.

-He still wants Howard, and he thinks Wallace is a better trade piece

-He wants Deron to stay, and he thinks Wallace helps him do that more than the draft pick

-He wants to make the playoffs this year

-He hates us

[jeff1624]

It appears that Wallace will be picking up his player option... at least that's what everyone has implied all day.

[Effigy]

It appears that Wallace will be picking up his player option... at least that's what everyone has implied all day.

Yeah, we all thought he would in Portland too, and didn't want that salary next year, but it won't be an issue for you guys with Dwight not available.

[Shameer1016]

He wanted to make another player richer. No way another team gives him that money if he opts out, no matter what team he played for.

[vincecarter4pres]

He might, I don't see it though.

This guy would definitely get a 3 year deal for about $8 a year on the open market, why would he sacrifice that for 1 year?

Truthfully, he'll probably just opt out and resign here for 4 years and maybe $30 to $35 million total.

I was never a huge Wallace fan, he's wildly inconsistent, injury prone and limited, but it's the protection on the pick that kills me, in conjunction with the massive uncertainty of what will happen.

Top 3 is way too light to begin with, but the no protection in 2013 is mind boggling.

Again, doomsday, which I really am coming to expect and embrace, is we make a top 3 jump, but to 3, draft his clone MKG, Deron walks, we wind up around 7th worst in the league, top 3 jump again and ship a franchise player to Portland.

It's totally irresponsible whether it happens or not, whether we keep him or not, whether we flip him again or not.

[AVERYbigmistake]

Can someone who knows the Nets inside and out explain the rationale behind the Wallace trade?

It looks to me like a one-month rental of a good but not special player. At the price of what could have been a high lottery pick in a strong draft.

Giving away the potential of that pick, for what seems like such a small value, is what i just can't get my mind around. I don't see a worthwhile gain of cap space from the trade (nor a need or desire for any, to be honest), and it certainly isn't a pick someone would want to discard thoughtlessly.

Wallace doesn't seem to be some sort of missing piece, especially under the assumption he's only here for a month or so.

What am I missing?

You're not missing anything. The trade makes no sense especially given the fact that there's no guarantee Deron will re-sign with the Nets in the offseason.

This is a classic case of a dumb GM listening to his dumb coach and foolishly trying to push his team into a win-now mode.

[Shameer1016]

He might, I don't see it though.

This guy would definitely get a 3 year deal for about $8 a year on the open market, why would he sacrifice that for 1 year?

Truthfully, he'll probably just opt out and resign here for 4 years and maybe $30 to $35 million total.

I was never a huge Wallace fan, he's wildly inconsistent, injury prone and limited, but it's the protection on the pick that kills me, in conjunction with the massive uncertainty of what will happen.

Top 3 is way too light to begin with, but the no protection in 2013 is mind boggling.

Again, doomsday, which I really am coming to expect and embrace, is we make a top 3 jump, but to 3, draft his clone MKG, Deron walks, we wind up around 7th worst in the league, top 3 jump again and ship a franchise player to Portland.

It's totally irresponsible whether it happens or not, whether we keep him or not, whether we flip him again or not.

He's going to hit that magic age, when players are suppose to decline. I think his major pay days are well behind him and he will start to decline. And I don't think he was a bad player, he did everything, but lacked a scoring game.

[Effigy]

I think Wallace will do more for you than you realize. He was an incredible energizer when he got to Portland last year, and I'd expect that to continue. You guys are only 4 1/2 games out of the playoffs, I think you'll get in. I'd be real warry about re-signing gerald though, He'll be an energizer bunny this year, but next year.... who knows?

[AVERYbigmistake]

He'll help us by virtue of the fact that pre-trade Gerald Green was our best small forward but the trade was sheer lunacy on the part of Billy King...

[vincecarter4pres]

He might, I don't see it though.

This guy would definitely get a 3 year deal for about $8 a year on the open market, why would he sacrifice that for 1 year?

Truthfully, he'll probably just opt out and resign here for 4 years and maybe $30 to $35 million total.

I was never a huge Wallace fan, he's wildly inconsistent, injury prone and limited, but it's the protection on the pick that kills me, in conjunction with the massive uncertainty of what will happen.

Top 3 is way too light to begin with, but the no protection in 2013 is mind boggling.

Again, doomsday, which I really am coming to expect and embrace, is we make a top 3 jump, but to 3, draft his clone MKG, Deron walks, we wind up around 7th worst in the league, top 3 jump again and ship a franchise player to Portland.

It's totally irresponsible whether it happens or not, whether we keep him or not, whether we flip him again or not.

He's going to hit that magic age, when players are suppose to decline. I think his major pay days are well behind him and he will start to decline. And I don't think he was a bad player, he did everything, but lacked a scoring game.

Caron Butler
Tayshaun Prince
Jason Richardson

The market's set.

[Shameer1016]

I think Wallace will do more for you than you realize. He was an incredible energizer when he got to Portland last year, and I'd expect that to continue. You guys are only 4 1/2 games out of the playoffs, I think you'll get in. I'd be real warry about re-signing gerald though, He'll be an energizer bunny this year, but next year.... who knows?

I honestly can't see us getting that 8th spot. I think the Knicks will edge out the Bucks. But if we do make the playoffs, with this team and with the amount of injuries we've had, give #8 MVP

[vincecarter4pres]

He'll help us by virtue of the fact that pre-trade Gerald Green was our best small forward but the trade was sheer lunacy on the part of Billy King...

And that's a great point that we were all discussing or at least mentioning earlier.

Eh listen, I have no delusions. Chances are Green's recent play is just a hot stretch versus bad teams, while he's on a bad team with no competition for minutes, but... He has certainly improved and looks like a player. Just such an odd trade.

[FGump]

Thanks for the replies.

My feedback on a couple of points ....

Conflicting with the idea that Wallace is obtained to be a "trade chip" is the fact that he's not tradable until and unless he exercises his player option for another year. That means he can't be traded without his cooperation, which complicates any deal, and in fact it would completely eliminate any trade possibility if he decided he wants to be a free agent in a very weak free agent class and select his own team.

Just as big an issue to me is, with all those obstacles, is he really a more desirable trade chip than a high draft pick would have been?

If Wallace becomes a free agent, can the Nets afford to compete for him financially, while still keeping an eye on future cap space and paying whatever Lopez demands?

I am aware that GW was at one time rumored to be in a trade for Dwight, but it's hard to imagine that the Magic's interest is so great that they have a permanent hard-on to get him in any deal involving Dwight.

I do understand the urgency to persuade Deron to stay, but don't see how this changes anything for the better. Unless Deron hates the idea of having a talented rookie on next year's team, I guess.

[NetSymptom]

You know, normally I'd say a GM would require a player committing to opt-in for the final year of his contract as a contingent aspect of the trade going through...

But Billy King is probably too stupid to have done anything of the sort. I'm guess his thoughts were, "Hey, we have Deron who will probably stay since I've assembled such a great team. Why in the world would he not want to be here for next year?"

[SouthJersey]

As a fan of the Sixers, I watched him mortgage the future on all types of ridiculous deals and trades. Don't forget, this is the GM that got 7 year deals banned because of the deal he gave Kenny Thomas.
Whats amazing is he speaks like he knows whats going on, but he always mortgages the future on bad deals. Just no need to go above top 10 this year with the pick and then who cares about next year if your gonna make some moves in the offseason.

I do like this move for the Nets, bc I still think Wallace can play and I doubt Williams is leaving...so it will be a playoff team next year. I dont think they can make the playoffs this year. 4 and 1/2 games back is alot... especially with the Knicks now without D'Antoni, but it would be pretty nice to see it happen. A lineup of Williams, Brooks, Wallace, Humphries, and Lopez with Free Agents is a decent team.

[NetSymptom]

I know, I don't think we have any shot of making the playoffs at this point.

I was just playing with some numbers, and found that even if we finished our final 22 games at 15-7, we would still need both Milwaukee and New York to finish at 10-13 or worse. That isn't even including the other teams vying for a spot.

[SpeedyG]

He might, I don't see it though.

This guy would definitely get a 3 year deal for about $8 a year on the open market, why would he sacrifice that for 1 year?

Truthfully, he'll probably just opt out and resign here for 4 years and maybe $30 to $35 million total.

I was never a huge Wallace fan, he's wildly inconsistent, injury prone and limited, but it's the protection on the pick that kills me, in conjunction with the massive uncertainty of what will happen.

Top 3 is way too light to begin with, but the no protection in 2013 is mind boggling.

Again, doomsday, which I really am coming to expect and embrace, is we make a top 3 jump, but to 3, draft his clone MKG, Deron walks, we wind up around 7th worst in the league, top 3 jump again and ship a franchise player to Portland.

It's totally irresponsible whether it happens or not, whether we keep him or not, whether we flip him again or not.

Is this official?

[jeff1624]

He might, I don't see it though.

This guy would definitely get a 3 year deal for about $8 a year on the open market, why would he sacrifice that for 1 year?

Truthfully, he'll probably just opt out and resign here for 4 years and maybe $30 to $35 million total.

I was never a huge Wallace fan, he's wildly inconsistent, injury prone and limited, but it's the protection on the pick that kills me, in conjunction with the massive uncertainty of what will happen.

Top 3 is way too light to begin with, but the no protection in 2013 is mind boggling.

Again, doomsday, which I really am coming to expect and embrace, is we make a top 3 jump, but to 3, draft his clone MKG, Deron walks, we wind up around 7th worst in the league, top 3 jump again and ship a franchise player to Portland.

It's totally irresponsible whether it happens or not, whether we keep him or not, whether we flip him again or not.

Is this official?

Top 2 protected in 2013, top 1 protected in 2014 and unprotected in 2015.

[Shameer1016]

If the Nets get a top-three pick this summer, the pick becomes top-two protected in 2013, then top-one in 2014 and unprotected in 2015. New Jersey has the sixth worst record in the NBA.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index ... _towa.html