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Overpaid or not, the dude can still ball. Here are some highlights from the last two seasons. As the numbers indicate, the man is clutch...

Welcome, the newest Brooklyn Net, Joe Johnson:

2010-11:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGeDEVixLas&feature=plcp[/youtube]

2011-2012:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxB8vDRvCBQ&feature=plcp[/youtube]

I am officially pumped to see how this backcourt is going to work! They will be doing some serious damage this season!

I do not think he represents the best possible move we could have made but still pretty excited to have him. truth be told, i have not really watched him much in atl but i do remember what he was doing with nash in phx. looking forward to what he can do with dwill running the point!

Oh a side note, as much as I hate Brooks and his crap habits, Joe Johnson is probably Brooks ceiling as a player so its not so bad to train with him and maybe learn to defender even.

Just thought with them being not super athletic, if Brooks bulked up he would have a similar sort of frame to Johnson and I think quite a similar game. Lets hope its the dead eye spot up shooter instead of iso Joe that we get.

I've lost the stats but Johnson has some sort of stat for spot up shooting that was top notch.

just hope he brings it on D. hes been an abysmal playoff performer for many years now, and thats really the only time ive watched him, but im sure he'll do well in the regular season as an overall offensive player for us. brook's going to make things easier for all of our perimeter players.

I love the move....

Johnson is OVER paid, but he is also UNDER rated.

the guy can flat out play. his game is complete. He can shoot off the dribble or the catch. he can score off the ball or starting a play. he can play the pick and roll. he can post up. he gets out in trasnition. he can get into the lane and finish. he makes his FTs. he is great late in games. he competes on defense. he has excellent size for a 2 gaurd.

if he made 14M instead of 20M he would get a hellofa lot more hype.

PetroNet wrote:I love the move....

Johnson is OVER paid, but he is also UNDER rated.

the guy can flat out play. his game is complete. He can shoot off the dribble or the catch. he can score off the ball or starting a play. he can play the pick and roll. he can post up. he gets out in trasnition. he can get into the lane and finish. he makes his FTs. he is great late in games. he competes on defense. he has excellent size for a 2 gaurd.

if he made 14M instead of 20M he would get a hellofa lot more hype.

hes not underrated, people recognize he has game. he just is what he is, a very good all-around player who routinely disappears in the postseason.

bucketz wrote:I do not think he represents the best possible move we could have made but still pretty excited to have him. truth be told, i have not really watched him much in atl but i do remember what he was doing with nash in phx. looking forward to what he can do with dwill running the point!

out of curiosity, what do you think the best move would have been?

We'd have been over the cap after resigning everyone anyway, so johnsons bloated contract didnt really prevent us from making any moves, other then maybe depth at PG/SF.

I can see saying maybe go for iguodala instead, but he is more of a SF and i think we want wallace at the 3 and not 4. i can see saying gay instead, but not sure you get him for peanuts like we did johnson

we could have not traded for anyone at all, and used the 8-10 million on someone like ilyasova, but we can still sign hump or sign and trade hump.

i guess, my point is - despite his contract, johnson didnt prevent us from getting anyone. other then maybe kidd or green.

I think he is a tad underrated. While the highlights are "high"lights and I recognize they don't show his bad moments, I flat out did not know/remember that he is that good of a dribbler as well as a penetrator when he wants to be.

I remember him running the point forward in PHX and obviously handling a lot of the duties in ATL, but some of those movies that he uses to get to the basket are special.

IMO, he is Tyreke Evans ceiling. A guy who can shoot from anywhere, can dunk but basically prefers to play below the rim and is very crafty. Maybe the exposure in BK will make him seem like an even better player.

The fact that he now has one of the best ballhandlers in the NBA controlling the rock should definitely alleviate the pressure off of him.

Also, I think his struggles in the playoffs are mostly due to him being the primary facilitator in Atlanta. He's the number one option in late game situations since Josh Smith can handle the rock and his BBIQ waivers from time to time. Now that JJ has an allstar PG backcourt mate, who are you going to double-team when you need a three at the end or a drive to get to the basket?

Both JJ and D-Will can drive and kick, and now that we have Teletovic, I expect us to have one of the top rated offenses once we start to gel together.

deepblueday wrote:
hes not underrated, people recognize he has game. he just is what he is, a very good all-around player who routinely disappears in the postseason.

routinely? come on. his playoff struggles have been way overblown. outside of a couple seasons, he has been the same guy in the playoffs he was all year.


04-05 reg season 17 ppg/46% FG
04-05 playoffs 19 ppg/50% FG

07-08 reg season 21 ppg/43% fg
07-08 playoffs 20 ppg/42% fg

08-09 reg season 21 ppg/44% fg
08-09 playoffs 17 ppg/42% fg

09-10 reg season 21 pg/45% fg
09-10 playoffs 18 ppg/39% fg

10-11 reg season 18 ppg/44% fg
10-11 playoffs 19 ppg/44% fg

11-12 reg season 19 ppg/45% fg
11-12 playoffs 17 ppg/38% fg

playing much worse or disappearing in 2 out of 6 seasons is "routinely?" and in 09-10 he had a very good first round series, but was shut down against orlando.

he has also not really had a decent PG during his time with atlanta and has been forced to have the offense start through him.

Unlike Atlanta, Brookylyn has a player(s) that can take pressure off Joe Johnson, and he won't have to be the first option. He'll have every opportunity to improve the numbers that he had with Atlanta, and he should realize that playing with Brooklyn should help him financially even more (endorsements).

I love how a lot of people think JJ will play like he did with the Hawks. The Nets team now is built for a player like Joe Johnson. The Hawks were built like a team for players who wanted to chuck up 3's and Iso all day

VCRJKidd15 wrote:I love how a lot of people think JJ will play like he did with the Hawks. The Nets team now is built for a player like Joe Johnson. The Hawks were built like a team for players who wanted to chuck up 3's and Iso all day

I agree with you, but let's not get carried away either. Deron is an excellent off ball player, but he's even more effective at creating his own shot. Lopez needs the ball to be able to operate on the low block... if not he'll be catch and shoot center from 15 feet way and none of us want that. Even Wallaceto a lesser extent needs the ball in his hands to score.

jeff1624 wrote:

VCRJKidd15 wrote:I love how a lot of people think JJ will play like he did with the Hawks. The Nets team now is built for a player like Joe Johnson. The Hawks were built like a team for players who wanted to chuck up 3's and Iso all day

I agree with you, but let's not get carried away either. Deron is an excellent off ball player, but he's even more effective at creating his own shot. Lopez needs the ball to be able to operate on the low block... if not he'll be catch and shoot center from 15 feet way and none of us want that. Even Wallaceto a lesser extent needs the ball in his hands to score.

Each of those guys ability to adapt to having less defensive attention and less of a focus on "volume scoring" will determine how good this team becomes. Considering Deron was basically the most efficient PG in the NBA throughout his time in Utah I have a lot of confidence in him holding up his end.

If JJ can successfully revert to his form when he was the 3rd/4th option on the Suns this team can go a long way. His last season there he was highly efficient as a spot up guy (48% from 3pt with 5 attempts/game).

Lopez is a little bit of a wild card. Ideally he will focus on the paint and continue evolving into one of the toughest 1 on 1 post players in the NBA. Though, his outside shot is so good when he's on it's hard to not envision it as a big part of his game.

deepblueday wrote:

PetroNet wrote:I love the move....

Johnson is OVER paid, but he is also UNDER rated.

the guy can flat out play. his game is complete. He can shoot off the dribble or the catch. he can score off the ball or starting a play. he can play the pick and roll. he can post up. he gets out in trasnition. he can get into the lane and finish. he makes his FTs. he is great late in games. he competes on defense. he has excellent size for a 2 gaurd.

if he made 14M instead of 20M he would get a hellofa lot more hype.

hes not underrated, people recognize he has game. he just is what he is, a very good all-around player who routinely disappears in the postseason.

Well in his defense he's been forced into a #1 option with really inefficient easy to guard #2 and #3 options around him.

For all the fanfare Josh Smith and Al Horford get, Smith is a putrid offensive player most years and Horford is nothing more then a jump shooter with a touch of pick and roll game who gets absolutely stifled by good single man coverage.

vincecarter4pres wrote:

deepblueday wrote:

PetroNet wrote:I love the move....

Johnson is OVER paid, but he is also UNDER rated.

the guy can flat out play. his game is complete. He can shoot off the dribble or the catch. he can score off the ball or starting a play. he can play the pick and roll. he can post up. he gets out in trasnition. he can get into the lane and finish. he makes his FTs. he is great late in games. he competes on defense. he has excellent size for a 2 gaurd.

if he made 14M instead of 20M he would get a hellofa lot more hype.

hes not underrated, people recognize he has game. he just is what he is, a very good all-around player who routinely disappears in the postseason.

Well in his defense he's been forced into a #1 option with really inefficient easy to guard #2 and #3 options around him.

For all the fanfare Josh Smith and Al Horford get, Smith is a putrid offensive player most years and Horford is nothing more then a jump shooter with a touch of pick and roll game who gets absolutely stifled by good single man coverage.

While I wouldn't say that he's a good offensive player, but I wouldn't say hes putrid either. Smith's passing ability is excellent for a forward. That alone removes the putrid label. He's average with the potential to be a good offensive player if the dude ever realized that he shouldn't shoot from beyond 8 feet.

2013 All Star reserve

D-Will will make him shine, and if his 'Instagram' handle* reflects his desire, we should be into a good season.

*="ImStartinOva2"

PetroNet wrote:

deepblueday wrote:
hes not underrated, people recognize he has game. he just is what he is, a very good all-around player who routinely disappears in the postseason.

routinely? come on. his playoff struggles have been way overblown. outside of a couple seasons, he has been the same guy in the playoffs he was all year.

actually they haven't. he drops off signficantly every post season in both volume and efficiency. hes been terrible in the playoffs every single year since atlanta started to make them. 40.1 MPG, 18 PPG, .490 ts%. marshon brooks could give you that right now. regular season over that same time period (past five years)? 38.0 MPG, 20.4 PPG on .535 ts%. i know we all have to pretend we love his game and that hes some underrated gem now that hes a net, but come on. dont take this the wrong way because its a honest question, how long you been watching basketball? this isnt just empty stats, i cant imagine anyone whose watched them believing that joe johnsons playoff struggles have been "way overblown"

and this isn't to say that with a different role he wont do better, of course he will, he's going to be asked to do less. i think it would be a pretty **** sad commentary on his game if he didn't do better playing with deron and a big man capable of drawing doubles, but hes not underrated, hes criticized because hes a failed number one option.

vincecarter4pres wrote:

deepblueday wrote:

PetroNet wrote:I love the move....

Johnson is OVER paid, but he is also UNDER rated.

the guy can flat out play. his game is complete. He can shoot off the dribble or the catch. he can score off the ball or starting a play. he can play the pick and roll. he can post up. he gets out in trasnition. he can get into the lane and finish. he makes his FTs. he is great late in games. he competes on defense. he has excellent size for a 2 gaurd.

if he made 14M instead of 20M he would get a hellofa lot more hype.

hes not underrated, people recognize he has game. he just is what he is, a very good all-around player who routinely disappears in the postseason.

Well in his defense he's been forced into a #1 option with really inefficient easy to guard #2 and #3 options around him.

For all the fanfare Josh Smith and Al Horford get, Smith is a putrid offensive player most years and Horford is nothing more then a jump shooter with a touch of pick and roll game who gets absolutely stifled by good single man coverage.

dont disagree with any of this... my only point is hes sucked just as much as one would expect a well above average but not great player to in the circumstances you described