Official Fire Avery Johnson Thread (Update:Fired)

[Da big3]

Every game is a blowout, against teams like the 5-20 pistons this team shows no desire to play the game garbage is on the court, granted our roster is not much but teams like Denver without any major superstars is a top team, 76ers are leading our division a team without any franchise players, its time for a change, this guy is starting to be worse than Opie

[NyCeEvO]

I was going to create this thread about a month ago (ask VC).

Unfortunately, I don't feel Avery can be blamed entirely for what is going on.

We are nothing like the Denver Nuggets and even so, look at what's happening to them without Gallo in the lineup.

Avery won't be judged until we actually have a healthy and good team, regardless of whether that's good or bad for us.

[624]

He should be fired for the Gaines at PG Deron at SG experiment alone.

[Da big3]

He should be fired for the Gaines at PG Deron at SG experiment alone.

+1 its the fact that we get blown out aganist teams like the pistons and raptors, this is still a NBA roster

[jeff1624]

Lol... Avery is here for the long haul fellas. He has more power in this organization than Billy King himself.

[Rich Rane]

I just want to know why none of our bigs know how to box out.

[DarkXaero]

I want to know how this team can be so bad defensively.

[Da big3]

I just want to know why none of our bigs know how to box out.

I want to know how this team can be so bad defensively.

I think the team has tuned him out

[Shameer1016]

This team has been rocked by injuries and we have a PG that apparently can't shoot, yet we want to throw the coach under the bus? There is nothing any coach could have done to make us remotely better

[Ronito]

Who are we replacing him with? Is Kiki still free?

We don't even know what we have in Avery, and you want to fire him. Denver doesn't have a superstar, but they have two starting lineups and all the guys are actually good.

Maybe we can get SVG along with Dwight?!

[Shark]

I think I was on the fire Avery bandwagon early in the season, but the more I watch this team play the more I think that most o these guys just suck... The thing is that. as some guys have said, the injury bug has really hit the team. This means that more minutes are going to players who would should have trouble staying in the NBA on any other team with a healthy roster.

[Sharcm1]

I think a good coach would have the nets playing a little better. They still have talent on the team. But are greatly undersized without lopez and okur. the nets has got major injury problems. I understand that its a condensed season but all these injuries lead me to believe the team was not physically ready for the season. 2 things to blame there, the players for not coming back ready and the coaches for not getting them ready.

when lopez comes back I will judge avery.

[vincecarter4pres]

I hated the Avery signing from the minute it was even speculated.

That said, this is not the time to fire him, would represent way too much instability and I would expect no matter what happens with Deron and Dwight, he gets a fair shake at it next year.

After next year is when you'll see a change if things aren't going as smoothly as planned.

[NyCeEvO]

I think a good coach would have the nets playing a little better. They still have talent on the team.

Outside of D-Will and MarShon, what talent have they had on the team?

Every single player outside of those two players would be on the bench for almost every team (including Hump). Almost every player has had injuries to a certain extant. Ironically, the PG position (D-Will, Gaines, Farmar) has been the most stable probably since all of those guys were playing/conditioning overseas with their international ball clubs.

But are greatly undersized without lopez and okur. the nets has got major injury problems. I understand that its a condensed season but all these injuries lead me to believe the team was not physically ready for the season. 2 things to blame there, the players for not coming back ready and the coaches for not getting them ready.

You can't blame the coaches for not getting the players ready when they couldn't talk to them before FA started.

Regardless of whether Avery would have been horrible or great with a training camp and more prep time, there was nothing that he and his coaching staff could have done to prepare the players for the season.

Instead of having a long pre-season to prepare the players for an intense condensed season, we basically had no-preseason and yet still had a ridiculously grueling schedule.

I'll be the first one to say that Avery makes way too many errors but our injury-plagued season makes it near-impossible to judge Avery objectively in light of a W/L record.
when lopez comes back I will judge avery.[/quote]

[Da big3]

I think a good coach would have the nets playing a little better. They still have talent on the team.

Outside of D-Will and MarShon, what talent have they had on the team?

Every single player outside of those two players would be on the bench for almost every team (including Hump). Almost every player has had injuries to a certain extant. Ironically, the PG position (D-Will, Gaines, Farmar) has been the most stable probably since all of those guys were playing/conditioning overseas with their international ball clubs.

But are greatly undersized without lopez and okur. the nets has got major injury problems. I understand that its a condensed season but all these injuries lead me to believe the team was not physically ready for the season. 2 things to blame there, the players for not coming back ready and the coaches for not getting them ready.

You can't blame the coaches for not getting the players ready when they couldn't talk to them before FA started.

Regardless of whether Avery would have been horrible or great with a training camp and more prep time, there was nothing that he and his coaching staff could have done to prepare the players for the season.

Instead of having a long pre-season to prepare the players for an intense condensed season, we basically had no-preseason and yet still had a ridiculously grueling schedule.

I'll be the first one to say that Avery makes way too many errors but our injury-plagued season makes it near-impossible to judge Avery objectively in light of a W/L record.
when lopez comes back I will judge avery.

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yes their is major injuries, but a blow out every night, a little excessive eh?

[NyCeEvO]

Ok, here's what I do.

Mentally, I compare our roster to our opponent's roster. How well we matchup with the team correlates to how much time I spend watching the game.

So far, I've done pretty well this season.

I think too many of us are underestimating how much having solid post-play (either offensively or defensively) means to having a good team.

You'd have to go back to MJ's 1991-93 Bulls to see the last time a team won without having a top big offensive or defensive big man.

Our bigs are absolute and utter garbage offensively and defensively.

We have one of the best PGs in the game running around and throwing passes to guys that can't catch a ball for their lives. D-Will can do his job and pass but if the bigs can't finish, the whole teams suffers. On the other hand, Dwight can collect double-teams and as long as he passes out of them, the wings can get open shots all day.

[therealbig3]

Ok, here's what I do.

Mentally, I compare our roster to our opponent's roster. How well we matchup with the team correlates to how much time I spend watching the game.

So far, I've done pretty well this season.

I think too many of us are underestimating how much having solid post-play (either offensively or defensively) means to having a good team.

You'd have to go back to MJ's 1991-93 Bulls to see the last time a team won without having a top big offensive or defensive big man.

Our bigs are absolute and utter garbage offensively and defensively.

We have one of the best PGs in the game running around and throwing passes to guys that can't catch a ball for their lives. D-Will can do his job and pass but if the bigs can't finish, the whole teams suffers. On the other hand, Dwight can collect double-teams and as long as he passes out of them, the wings can get open shots all day.

The Bulls actually had Horace Grant from 91-93, he was an excellent rebounder and defender, and he was probably the 2nd biggest reason that the Bulls still won 55 games in 94 (the biggest reason obviously being Pippen). And after he left in 95, the Bulls struggled (by their standards) until MJ came back. And he was a big contributor on that Magic team that beat the Bulls in the playoffs. Not to mention that they also had Bill Cartwright, who was also a very good defender.

They had a pretty strong defensive front court, and I don't think there's ever been a team that won a championship without at least a competent defensive front court, let alone without a competent front court on either side of the ball.

[therealbig3]

But I do overall agree that our front court is terrible on both sides of the ball, and it's the biggest reason we're losing games. People around the league and fans of the NBA in general are down on Deron, but I think he's been nothing short of awesome this year. Look at what he's doing with this Nets squad. First of all, they have 8 wins, which is about 8 more than they deserve, based on their level of play.

Second of all, we are 13th in the league offensively, without Lopez and with Brooks missing a bunch of games! That's MVP impact right there, he's one of the few players in the league that could keep us above average offensively with the garbage supporting cast we have. And imagine if our shots were falling more in the early going, instead of being able to hit nothing? We could be a top 10 offense right now.

I think based on the offensive impact Deron's had this year, I'm seriously re-considering ranking Paul ahead of Deron. Even in Paul's peak 09 season, his Hornets were 12th in the league offensively. They were 19th in the league offensively last year. And there's no way you can argue that his supporting cast was worse than ours, this team is clearly worse.

[NyCeEvO]

Ok, here's what I do.

Mentally, I compare our roster to our opponent's roster. How well we matchup with the team correlates to how much time I spend watching the game.

So far, I've done pretty well this season.

I think too many of us are underestimating how much having solid post-play (either offensively or defensively) means to having a good team.

You'd have to go back to MJ's 1991-93 Bulls to see the last time a team won without having a top big offensive or defensive big man.

Our bigs are absolute and utter garbage offensively and defensively.

We have one of the best PGs in the game running around and throwing passes to guys that can't catch a ball for their lives. D-Will can do his job and pass but if the bigs can't finish, the whole teams suffers. On the other hand, Dwight can collect double-teams and as long as he passes out of them, the wings can get open shots all day.

The Bulls actually had Horace Grant from 91-93, he was an excellent rebounder and defender, and he was probably the 2nd biggest reason that the Bulls still won 55 games in 94 (the biggest reason obviously being Pippen). And after he left in 95, the Bulls struggled (by their standards) until MJ came back. And he was a big contributor on that Magic team that beat the Bulls in the playoffs. Not to mention that they also had Bill Cartwright, who was also a very good defender.

They had a pretty strong defensive front court, and I don't think there's ever been a team that won a championship without at least a competent defensive front court, let alone without a competent front court on either side of the ball.

Well, there you go. You're making my point even clearer.

You don't win without big men and our big men are horrifically bad.

[NyCeEvO]

But I do overall agree that our front court is terrible on both sides of the ball, and it's the biggest reason we're losing games. People around the league and fans of the NBA in general are down on Deron, but I think he's been nothing short of awesome this year. Look at what he's doing with this Nets squad. First of all, they have 8 wins, which is about 8 more than they deserve, based on their level of play.

Second of all, we are 13th in the league offensively, without Lopez and with Brooks missing a bunch of games! That's MVP impact right there, he's one of the few players in the league that could keep us above average offensively with the garbage supporting cast we have. And imagine if our shots were falling more in the early going, instead of being able to hit nothing? We could be a top 10 offense right now.

I think based on the offensive impact Deron's had this year, I'm seriously re-considering ranking Paul ahead of Deron. Even in Paul's peak 09 season, his Hornets were 12th in the league offensively. They were 19th in the league offensively last year. And there's no way you can argue that his supporting cast was worse than ours, this team is clearly worse.

Now just wait until D-Will actually has some talent around him.

I'm totally convinced that you need to have NBA League Pass and have the ability to watch every team in the league or you won't be able to get a good picture of how many teams play on a nightly basis.

People talking about D-Will not deserving Allstar consideration have absolutely no idea what he's been going through. Heck, I'd give it to him simply because he deserves a break from playing with this crap roster lol.

If everything goes as planned, we'll go from absolute crap to really good.

D-Will/Brooks/AK-47/Lopez/D12 + AmMo /(healthy) Sh.Williams/J-Will/Vet mins

That's an instant title contender.