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Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:03 pm**

I decided to make a new topic on this because i wanted to discuss it. I am new here. Banned from NetsDaily so looking for Nets related discussion. Hope it's as good here as it was there. Anyway....

If what Vesley said is true then then the Nets are starting to realize that they will not get any good PF with Humphries.

I for one hate the idea of waiting for next year to trade Humphries because our window to win is very short so i wish the Nets would just take a calculated risk and trade Humphries for Nene. It works salary wise and Nene fixes pretty much everything that is wrong with our bigs. His high I.Q. and passing skills would improve our offense as well as his touch around the basket and decent mid range game. Best of all, while he would be a vast upgrade over Humphries on offense, he would be an even bigger upgrade defensively. Nene is quick on his feet and can even guard wings on switches and he defends the pick and roll very well.

Nene would not be available if there was not some risk involved. His Plantar Faciitis is a chronic issue that will plague him for the rest of his contract. That is a risk because his contract is pretty sizable. However when considering our options (there aren't many because nobody wants to take on Humphries) it is a very worthwhile risk.

We are by Billy King's own admission a team built for the playoffs. With the Nets Nene would not have to play as many minutes as he is playing in Washington. We have depth at PF and with the emergence of Teletovic we have even more reason to spread the minutes around. Reggie and Humphries play the same exact role and are redundant players so trading Humphries would not take away our depth even if we have to rest Nene at times. We can monitor Nene's minutes and with constant feedback from Tim Walsh even rest him on some days. We can afford that with Blatche and Teletovic and Reggie. We keep our starting PF fresh for the playoffs when we will need him.

Yes.. we WILL need him. With how the east is shaping up we are looking at a lot of teams that will burn us all day inside as well as on the pick and roll. There are also a lot of bigs that our bigs simply cannot handle (Garnett, Horford, West, Amare, Milwaukee's entire front line) as well as all the pick and roll nightmares which i should not have to name which are not just a concern for the playoffs but for the whole season.

Nene can also slide over to C which helps us even more.

After we address the big problem we need to handle our lesser but just as concerning problems; lack of shooting and lack of speed/athleticism.

Even though the game does slow down in the playoffs the fact that we are terrible in transition will be a huge problem playing in the east. Milwaukee has athletic speedy guards, Atlanta does as well. Miami i should not have to mention, and even the Pacers can push when they want. We have NOBODY that can answer the bell. Nobody! We do not play Taylor enough and frankly based on his play i can understand. The kid is awesome defensively but too much of a problem on offense. We NEED some athleticism.

One option is bringing back Gerald Green who flourished with us before. He is a fan favorite and would bring some excitement to Brooklyn which we need since our crowds tend to be very dull at Barclay's due to our brand of basketball. Green can provide a scoring punch off the bench. His numbers have been coming back up. I do not see how we can do this thou since MarShon does not get paid nearly enough.

Another option is Derrick Williams. Based on reports he is being shopped heavily and the Wolves are not asking for much. Would they accept Teletovic? He fits their ethnic requirements (joke). DWill has been terribly misused in Minnesota and they have not given him a real shot to succeed. That would be a very shrewd move by the Nets if they got him.

Another option is already on the roster! Damion James. I was very against the Nets decision to let Damion go. He is a good defender and elite rebounder and very athletic. That alone deserves a spot on this team imo. He is like a less offesively talented Crash from Charlotte. If we could groom him to come off the bench and just be the hound dog he was at Texas then we can benefit a lot.

As far as shooters my preference would be to trade with ATL for Korver. I do not think he is untouchable and MarShon alone should no it. I know a lot of people here love MarShon but i just do not feel MarShon has a place on this team and Korver is a huge upgrade. I think they would do that in a heartbeat.

PG: Deron/CJ
SG: JJ/Green/Korver
SF: Wallace/James
PF: Nene/Reggie/Tele
C: Lopez/Blatche

That is a formidable team imo that has few weaknesses and can matchup to pretty much anything

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:16 pm**

TL;DR.... but I will read all of that, at some point.

To address the question you asked in the title though...

My take is hopefully we can make Teletovic a starter and get him a good 20-25 mpg in the second half of the season and bring Reggie in off the bench. Most teams have a 4 man front court rotation and I think Tele/Evans/Lopez/Blatche isn't that bad, and quite honestly, average defensively and above average offensively.

Mirza has been showing his game all around the past 2 weeks... some nice passes, pick and pops, defensive plays, and the drive to want to get better. Evans stinks offensively but putting in Blatche with him helps to negate it to a certain point.

My big improvement would be to acquire a versatile guard, who can bring the ball upcourt, who's quick in transition, who's a good spot up shooter, and who can be our real sixth man off the bench in the back court.

Ideally it would be Marshon b/c of his contract, but he's such a huge question mark.... suspect defense and falling in love with chucking too much. I do love how he attacks the rim though. If he can put his big boy pants on and play better team ball, then I'm happy. If not, we need to get someone.

I've said Ben Gordon a few times but that's just b/c he's the first name that pops in my head when I think of sixth man. Who else is out there on the market that we could get?

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:08 pm**

thats alot of typing to basically say:

we should trade hump for nene and we need athleticism on the wings.

tradingf or nene has been proposed here a million times in a million threads and everyone would do it in a second if all it cost was some combination of Hump/Brooks/Picks. I just cant see washington make that deal, but if they would, obviously we do it.

Derrick Williams? blah. no way id move teletovic for him.

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:58 pm**

PetroNet wrote:thats alot of typing to basically say:

we should trade hump for nene and we need athleticism on the wings.

tradingf or nene has been proposed here a million times in a million threads and everyone would do it in a second if all it cost was some combination of Hump/Brooks/Picks. I just cant see washington make that deal, but if they would, obviously we do it.

Derrick Williams? blah. no way id move teletovic for him.

My bad. I am new to this site. I used to post on NetsDaily till i got banned.

I cannot imagine why Nene would cost any more than just Hump. We are doing them a favor financially. Mutual benefit.

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:28 pm**

glory road,

curious on why u got banned from nets daily?it seems posters get bannd from that site frequently since the majority of nets traffic is there. it seems the topics here ar much better and relevant. i am not a nets fan by the way. just my observation

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:52 pm**

You make it seems so simple that the Wizards will trade Nene for Humphries. They won't do it.

If they want a big expiring contract they can do that with another team. There is literally no incentive for them to gift us Nene. Unless they are in love with Marshon Brooks.

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:04 pm**

Nene has been discussed at length here and he tends to be a polarizing player.

I'm a big advocate of bringing him here for low cost as long as our FO isn't taking a significant risk of losing out on a big time player by next year by taking on his contract.

I agree he should come quite cheap, figure Hump and either Brooks or 1 1st round pick should get it done. Not saying that is definitely right, but most of the people who adamantly disagree, who think Nene holds some huge value don't understand the concept of trade value and the inner workings of the CBA or context of teams. They just see super talented big so, "He has to be worth a million gazillion lottery picks and superstarz!" and I'm only typing this at them in this dickish tone because we went through this discussion for months now and it started in a more civil manner but quickly turned into that side of the argument disregarding all reality and history of this league, the details involving the specific player and franchises at hand and telling anyone who disagreed with them to f**k off while sticking their fingers in their ears.

Most of those people also used that played out cliche stuff about, "Why would they trade a good player though?!" and "Why would they trade a good player for a worse one?!" and that kind of stuff, ignoring if that was reality, there would never be a trade in all of sports. Ever.

/run on sentence of hot air

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:14 pm**

Glory Road wrote:
PetroNet wrote:thats alot of typing to basically say:

we should trade hump for nene and we need athleticism on the wings.

tradingf or nene has been proposed here a million times in a million threads and everyone would do it in a second if all it cost was some combination of Hump/Brooks/Picks. I just cant see washington make that deal, but if they would, obviously we do it.

Derrick Williams? blah. no way id move teletovic for him.

My bad. I am new to this site. I used to post on NetsDaily till i got banned.

I cannot imagine why Nene would cost any more than just Hump. We are doing them a favor financially. Mutual benefit.

Didnt mean to knock you... it was just a long read

Im doubt we could get him for just humphries. Sure we save them 2 years off of Nene's contract, but they really arent in terrible cap shape. And if they did move Nene, they'd clear roughly 13M for the 2014 offseason. what are they going to do with that money? probably overpay someone of similar talent to Nene.

I can see maybe a Humphries/1st rounder/Brooks type deal working, or maybe getting a 3rd team to tak brooks and send the wiz back some value. But if they just wants a large expiring, id think they could probably find a team to give them smeone who comes off the books this year

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:19 pm**

BTW, I forgot to mention, you lost me at the point where Damion James is good. :lol:

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:31 pm**

PetroNet wrote:thats alot of typing to basically say:

we should trade hump for nene and we need athleticism on the wings.

tradingf or nene has been proposed here a million times in a million threads and everyone would do it in a second if all it cost was some combination of Hump/Brooks/Picks. I just cant see washington make that deal, but if they would, obviously we do it.

Derrick Williams? blah. no way id move teletovic for him.

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:37 pm**

PetroNet wrote:
Glory Road wrote:
PetroNet wrote:thats alot of typing to basically say:

we should trade hump for nene and we need athleticism on the wings.

tradingf or nene has been proposed here a million times in a million threads and everyone would do it in a second if all it cost was some combination of Hump/Brooks/Picks. I just cant see washington make that deal, but if they would, obviously we do it.

Derrick Williams? blah. no way id move teletovic for him.

My bad. I am new to this site. I used to post on NetsDaily till i got banned.

I cannot imagine why Nene would cost any more than just Hump. We are doing them a favor financially. Mutual benefit.

Didnt mean to knock you... it was just a long read

Im doubt we could get him for just humphries. Sure we save them 2 years off of Nene's contract, but they really arent in terrible cap shape. And if they did move Nene, they'd clear roughly 13M for the 2014 offseason. what are they going to do with that money? probably overpay someone of similar talent to Nene.

The 2014 offseason???

You mean the offseason where...

LBJ
Kobe
Wade
Melo
Iggy
Monta
Rudy Gay
Granger
Deng
Bosh
Zach Randolph
Dirk
Garnett
Gortat
Bogut

are all FAs?

Just like 2010, even if teams think they have a remote shot at getting a star player, a remote shot is better than no shot.

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:37 pm**

It's hammer time?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo[/youtube]

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:40 pm**

I was going more for of a 'hit the nail on the head' reference but MC works too though... :lol:

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:51 pm**

NyCeEvO wrote:[The 2014 offseason???

You mean the offseason where...

LBJ
Kobe
Wade
Melo
Iggy
Monta
Rudy Gay
Granger
Deng
Bosh
Zach Randolph
Dirk
Garnett
Gortat
Bogut

are all FAs?

Just like 2010, even if teams think they have a remote shot at getting a star player, a remote shot is better than no shot.

lets revise the list to actual realistic options:

Monta
Rudy Gay
Granger
Deng
Zach Randolph
Gortat
Bogut

basically, they'd be looking at overpaying one of those guys. is that really any better then overpaying Nene? maybe deng cause he is younger. the other guys are all non-max level talents who they'd need to probably max out to get to come to washington.

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:45 pm**

Was Iggy that far of a stretch that he had to be removed from that list?

I think you're missing the point though. Both of your are to an extent. It's about chopping salary, providing future flexibility, removing a looming locker room problem and selling hope(whether false or real) to your fan base.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:34 pm**

I am one of those people that don't think the nets need to trade for anyone to be fixed. I think we have the players on the roster to win big and they just need to be used better.

Marshon. We all have our opinions about him. Some love him (like me) and some hate him. On this board there isn't an middle. But love him or hate him you have to admit the kid has skills. Skills that most nba players don't have. This kid can get anywhere he wants on the court and create a shot for him self or others. That's a skill that we need to use better. The first thing to change about the nets is let marshon dominate the ball for the second unit and keep JJ on the bench. Far too often I see JJ and Marshon on the floor together. They can't play together their games are too similar. Marshon winds up just passing the ball to jj and standing at the three point line and watching. Only to see the ball when jj fails to score and needs help at the end of the shot clock. The games that marshon excelled in were the games he played on the floor primarily without JJ. we need to go to a true second unit. With guys like blatche, marson and mirza we have enough scoring off the bench.

The second thing to change would be to Run the offense through brook and not jj. This guard dominated offense isn't working. The reason we lost so bad in the first game against the hawks was because we played through JJ the entire game and he had a bad game. You can't do that when you have another guy like lopez who can dominate in the post and get open looks for other players. I want to see lopez touch the ball in the post on 80 percent of the plays he is on the floor. Obviously if he isn't having a good game then you can go away from him and then try this movement plays to get him involved. But when he doesn't get a chance to get in the post it throws off the rest of the offense. He should be our primary scorer. Period. And not with this stupid play they run to get him the ball on a post up. It takes way too long to set up. He usually gets the ball with 10 seconds left on the clock or it takes them too long to try to get him the ball they go away from it too quick.

The only trade I would make would be for a back up center. I think everyone is looking at this wrong. I think Blatche should be our starting PF. I know people don't think lopez and him can play well together. But it has only happened a few times this year. I think blatche has all the skills we want next to lopez.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:30 pm**

Sharcm1 wrote:I am one of those people that don't think the nets need to trade for anyone to be fixed. I think we have the players on the roster to win big and they just need to be used better.

Marshon. We all have our opinions about him. Some love him (like me) and some hate him. On this board there isn't an middle. But love him or hate him you have to admit the kid has skills. Skills that most nba players don't have. This kid can get anywhere he wants on the court and create a shot for him self or others. That's a skill that we need to use better. The first thing to change about the nets is let marshon dominate the ball for the second unit and keep JJ on the bench. Far too often I see JJ and Marshon on the floor together. They can't play together their games are too similar. Marshon winds up just passing the ball to jj and standing at the three point line and watching. Only to see the ball when jj fails to score and needs help at the end of the shot clock. The games that marshon excelled in were the games he played on the floor primarily without JJ. we need to go to a true second unit. With guys like blatche, marson and mirza we have enough scoring off the bench.

The second thing to change would be to Run the offense through brook and not jj. This guard dominated offense isn't working. The reason we lost so bad in the first game against the hawks was because we played through JJ the entire game and he had a bad game. You can't do that when you have another guy like lopez who can dominate in the post and get open looks for other players. I want to see lopez touch the ball in the post on 80 percent of the plays he is on the floor. Obviously if he isn't having a good game then you can go away from him and then try this movement plays to get him involved. But when he doesn't get a chance to get in the post it throws off the rest of the offense. He should be our primary scorer. Period. And not with this stupid play they run to get him the ball on a post up. It takes way too long to set up. He usually gets the ball with 10 seconds left on the clock or it takes them too long to try to get him the ball they go away from it too quick.

The only trade I would make would be for a back up center. I think everyone is looking at this wrong. I think Blatche should be our starting PF. I know people don't think lopez and him can play well together. But it has only happened a few times this year. I think blatche has all the skills we want next to lopez.

If you want to say we would be better offensively using brooks more, fine, im ok with that statement even as a huge brooks hater.

if you want to say we would be better offensively if we went through brook more, again, im ok with that.

But that really doesnt solve any of our biggest issue. We score a ton. we score efficently. we score from several positions. we score off the bench, we score early, we score late.

What we dont do is defend. we dont defend the wings, we dont defend the pick and roll. we dont get through screens, and our bench doesnt defend without fouling. We also lack athleticism, but thats not as big an issue. leadership is an issue.

we need a legit defensive 4. we need a legit backup 3/wing. not only for the bench, but as insurance for wallace

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:41 pm**

The thing about running the offense through Brook, it all goes back to his meager passing skills and ability to handle double teams, his slow thinking and non-reactionary style and the fact all this adds up to him often being a black hole.

It's not to say he will always be like that or that some context isn't needed, because I'm sure when they go those 4 minute stretches where they play keep away from him and jack up highly contested bad jumpers after iso'ing the shot clock to 4 he gets frustrated and that leads to him being a follower once he touches the ball, but it's still all relevant and really important when having the thought of running it through him.

I'm not sure if he'll ever be a guy the offense should be run through in that sense a majority of the time, but I do know they need him to score off ball more through the pick and roll and pick and pop.

He's a great low post iso scorer, even a mid post from the baselines face up guy, but they go to it too much and force it, especially with Deron on this team and especially when Brooks flashed a ton of ability as the roll man to the rim as a finisher and as a pick and pop.

They also need to teach him how to set a better pick. A hard pick, not just a quick show and flash with a full dive into traffic, or just a weak side step to about 2 feet in from 3. Deron needs to have options when it's ran and right now instead it's a one or two trick play that puts too much onus on his beat up ankles to break his man off the dribble and with his first step.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:51 pm**

I'm not sure I get the love affair with Nene. He's good but he's a center. He doesn't have much range, he's isn't a great defender and he isn't a great rebounder. How is he a good fit next to Brook? He's somewhat skilled offensively, he's a big body and he's a good passer. I think any team would be okay with Nene as their center (even with his inconsistency) but we don't really need him at all.

If you think he's a PF just because he wants to play PF, you need to pay attention to how the league is evolving. Speed/shooting is a lot more useful at PF than bulk/size are. I'd take Ersan Ilyasova 10 times out of 10 over Nene at PF.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:19 pm**

Nene is a very good overall defender, especially in the pick and roll and is a bull in a China shop.

He's a gifted passer and very good on offense in the pick and roll.

He has a solid midrange jumper.

His rebounding isn't great or very good, but it's solid.

He's a low usage player that doesn't need iso touches and produces big in limited minutes.

He's got a mean streak and goes at it.

Nene is basically exactly what this team needs, at least and especially in comparison to our assets and the fit with the rest of the roster.

Ilyasova? I don't hate the guy, but how you can watch him over the years and this year and think he's a better fit then Nene, a better player then Nene or more of what we need, I don't get it.

As of now he's looking a lot like a contract year phenom. Even just to look at this year he started off just horribly, then had a solid December and now has regressed back to a potato suck race to the failish line.

Some of what he brings in the sense of individual aspects of his game are solid, such as his shooting ability, underrated pick and roll skills and high overall motor, but he's basically been pretty bad and right now that contract looks really awful.

He's also been pretty vocal about his lack of playing time and touches and to bring him into a crowded and talented front court on a team trying to make a push will be a complete disaster if he continues to be hot garbage and then gets benched. He'll cause a problem in the locker room and will become nearly untradable except for another truly awful contract.

A lot of what he does is what you hope you already have on the roster with Tele and before anyone says Tele isn't proven and might suck to, that's one of the main points. It's not like Ily is good enough to not find out what Tele is or to turn his signing into a further PR disaster for potential future free agents looking to come here on a pay cut.

Also, you can write this off if you want, but Ily has rather poor linguistic skills in English and it's been briefly touched on before in year's past in a number of articles out of Milwaukee that this has caused problems in practice and in game on the court on defensive switches and offensive sets and turns him into a mercenary freelancer of sorts.

I'd steer clear of Ily unless something of real interest and value was attached to him at a super low cost. He isn't so high upside, nor is his likely case if he improves to about average some must get and his contract and all these many possible worst case scenarios means he's a likely candidate to kill future flexibility even if we got him for nothing more then Hump while taking on a guy like Udrih.

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