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jj and I ask that you keep all draft and prospect talks strictly to this thread, including mock drafts. The 2013 NBA Draft will be on June 27 at the Barclays Center and for those who do mocks, the lottery will take place May 21.

As for our own picks in the draft, the Nets currently only have the 22nd overall pick.

We need athleticism Rodney Williams from Minnesota is a young Gerald Wallace (when he used to actually complete dunks and layups). Hopefully we can buy Kenny Kadji (who can replace Blatche if he leaves or provide young depth) like we did Marshon.




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I say we draft for SF. We need athleticism badly on the wing.

Reggie Bullock all day, errryday for me please.

what's first, FA or Draft?

I agree on the athleticism but I still hold shooters touch in mind...

But if a big shot blocker is available, i may not pass....

CalamityX12 wrote:what's first, FA or Draft?

I agree on the athleticism but I still hold shooters touch in mind...

But if a big shot blocker is available, i may not pass....

We certainly need athleticism, defense, shooting on the wings and at the 4. but if im not getting a projected starter id rather go with one of the backup centers... they both have size and blockshots. they may not make an impact right away, but ina year or two blatche may be gone or a PF on this team

CalamityX12 wrote:what's first, FA or Draft?

I agree on the athleticism but I still hold shooters touch in mind...

But if a big shot blocker is available, i may not pass....

The draft is in June.

FA period starts in July.

PetroNet wrote:

CalamityX12 wrote:what's first, FA or Draft?

I agree on the athleticism but I still hold shooters touch in mind...

But if a big shot blocker is available, i may not pass....

We certainly need athleticism, defense, shooting on the wings and at the 4. but if im not getting a projected starter id rather go with one of the backup centers... they both have size and blockshots. they may not make an impact right away, but ina year or two blatche may be gone or a PF on this team

We already have shooting at the 4 with Mirza, and I'm hoping that we can retain Blatche.

Draft for athleticism on the wing, and use Hump's expiring in a trade.

Erick Green looks like a pretty good player.

If he gets enough minutes and plays with the right coach, I think he'll be a pretty good pro.

I'm still trying to understand why Dario Saric is so hyped. I have no stereotypes about European players, but this guy clearly can't shoot and he seems to have trouble guarding anyone. I understand he has a very high IQ and seems to be a great passer of the ball, but if he can't shoot or score efficiently, and if he can't guard anyone, then I don't see how he can be an NBA success. According to DraftExpress mock draft, he's projected to fall to us.


Out of the first rounders, I like Gorgui Dieng a lot based on what I've seen/read (note: I don't watch college ball). But it seems like we'll have to move up if we want to draft him. Sergey Karasev seems to be a more polished Euro prospect than Saric, but if we have Bojan coming over, then there isn't much point (although he's Russian, I won't be surprised if Prokhorov pushes BK hard to get him). Other than a good defensive big, we could use an athletic wing badly, and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (and possibly Jamaal Franklin) should be available at our pick.

For those who didn't see the Erick Green video in the other thread:
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If you guys are looking for an athletic wing player that can defend and shoot it, Reggie Bullock is your guy. He's terrible at creating any plays, but shoots very well and hustles on defense. He's relentless going after loose balls and is your prototype role player.

Karasev is more dynamic than Bullock on offense and possessing an outstanding feel for the game on the offensive end. His main strength is his shooting, but he can also make plays and more importantly, make smart plays. His lateral quickness is poor though - he's not a good defender. I think Karasev will ultimately go in the top 20, but hed be a great pick if he slips.

For a shotblocking center, Gorgui Dieng should be target #1. It seemed likely he would slip prior to the tournament, but his stock is now rising. He's not a flash in the pan though, he had been doing the same things at Louisville all season long. For half the season he was playing with a cast.

Other options include: Steven Adams, Mason Plumlee, Jeff Withey, and Rudy Gobert. Adams probably won't slip, but if he does, Im not sure Brooklyn is the best place for him mentally. Gobert probably wont slip either but hes the best of the bunch. Withey and Plumlee are OK, but neither have the upside of a starter.

Jackie Carmichael is one of the most underrated players in the draft if you are looking for a tough versatile big who can shoot it a bit.

I want us to draft someone with our pick at 22 and look to buy a late 1st round pick with $3m.

Seeing as we have signed Bogdanovic that solves the shooter at the wing spot. I'm going to pretend we re-sign Blatche as well to play PF so we're in need of a back up center.

At 22 overall I'd select Dario Saric and for anyone looking for reasons why I would select him go read the draft thread I made already.

With the bought late 1st I'd select Lucas Nogueira to be our backup center. He's raw and needs to fill out but with time he could be a great back up.

teamjosh04 wrote:Other options include: Steven Adams, Mason Plumlee, Jeff Withey, and Rudy Gobert. Adams probably won't slip, but if he does, Im not sure Brooklyn is the best place for him mentally. Gobert probably wont slip either but hes the best of the bunch. Withey and Plumlee are OK, but neither have the upside of a starter.

Outside of Len, Plumlee and Gobert I think the rest of the bigs will be selected anywhere from 15-25 so some of those guys will definitely be available at 22 IMO. More than likely Adams & Withey
will be there at 22.

im just not in love with anyone at the back end of this first round. id look to buy a second rounder, then trade our first for a second rounder this year and a first in 2015.

i think we can get as good a player at the top of the second round, and get a second, and possibly top 15 pick in the 2015 draft, right before we shed all our salary (JJ/Wallace/Lopez all expire that offseason).

i know its hard to move a first rounder when we dont really have many assets. but i think setting us up to improve and have more assets in 2015 is more valuable then adding a player now who is going to have to really work to find a role on this team, and likely not be a difference maker over what we'd get in round 2 or for a vets min contract. withey or adams could both slip 2 round 2. rice jr., jamaal franklin, cj leslie are all guys who can be had in the second. these guys arent any worse then who we'd get at 22 imo. and adding a potential top 15 first in 2015 would be far more valuable imo.

we have some youth, could add more youth in the second round, and bogs coming over, who would have been a top 15 pick in this draft anyhow. realistically, we are veteran team right now. the next 2-3 seasons we are going to rely heavily on vets and our euros. a guy we draft this year in round 1 isnt going to really make a big impact

N Ireland Nets wrote:I want us to draft someone with our pick at 22 and look to buy a late 1st round pick with $3m.

Seeing as we have signed Bogdanovic that solves the shooter at the wing spot. I'm going to pretend we re-sign Blatche as well to play PF so we're in need of a back up center.

At 22 overall I'd select Dario Saric and for anyone looking for reasons why I would select him go read the draft thread I made already.

With the bought late 1st I'd select Lucas Nogueira to be our backup center. He's raw and needs to fill out but with time he could be a great back up.

I still don't understand how Saric is a good pick with his lack of shooting ability, bad finishing ability, poor athleticism/lateral quickness, bad defense, no strength, and no defined position. Having a great feel & IQ for the game, and great passing/vision are extremely valuable traits, but those are some really serious flaws in his game which aren't really fixable (aside from shooting).

After watching the Reggie Bullock scouting video from DraftExpress, I'm sold on him. A hard working 3 pt specialist who will defend & rebound, and tends to make the right plays with a low turnover rate. Sounds a lot like what this team could use badly. Basically a Shane Battier type player and what can be seen as a low risk pick.

DarkXaero wrote:I still don't understand how Saric is a good pick with his lack of shooting ability, bad finishing ability, poor athleticism/lateral quickness, bad defense, no strength, and no defined position. Having a great feel & IQ for the game, and great passing/vision are extremely valuable traits, but those are some really serious flaws in his game which aren't really fixable (aside from shooting).

Have you even seen him play?

He is an average shooter but he still can hit open shots and even some 3's although his 3 point shooting is very erratic to say the least, that can always be improved on at his age. His defensive isn't bad and he defends the PF position well. He will be an NBA PF which is the position he has played all season for Cibona while bulking up. He isn't a bad finisher, he's a great finisher, in fact he's a very good slasher and cuts to the basket really well. He's also a very good rebounder.

Are you basing your opinion off scouting reports online or after watching him play this year?

Saric has been getting better and better throughout the season which makes perfect sense due to the protracted negotiations with FIBA etc until he finally signed for Cibona missing pre season etc and walking straight into playing, not to mention finally splitting from his father as manager/agent who ruined most of his early career.

Saric has been beasting through the playoffs.

Game 1 Cibona 84-86 Kvarner 2010
26 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists in 31mins

Game 2 Cibona 82-76 Zadar
12 points, 7 rebounds in 26mins

Game 3 Cibona 81-65 Alkar Sinj
14 points, 14 rebounds, 2 assists in 36mins

Game 4 Cibona 93-83 KK Zagreb
20 points, 11 (6off) rebounds, 2 assists in 36mins

Game 5 Cibona 81-64 Jolly
17 points, 5 rebounds in 31mins

Game 6 Cibona 79-61 KK Split
10 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist in 21mins

Game 7 Cibona 69-78 Cedevita
13 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists in 34mins

Game 8 Cibona 92-65 Kvarner
13 points, 3 rebounds, 8 assists in 28mins

Game 9 Cibona 87-86 Zadar
11 points, 10 rebounds in 27mins

Game 10 DNP

Game 11 DNP

Game 12 Cibona 76-78 Jolly (on May 7th)
19 points, 15 rebounds, 2 assists in 35mins

Game 13 Cibona 81-78 KK Split (on May 11th)
16 points, 9 rebounds, 2assists in 22mins

So he's averaging 15.5ppg (74% 2pointFG with 69%ft), 8.3rpg and 2.2apg in 29mins.

Comparing his numbers in the 2nd round (playoffs) like above, compared to the regular season is a big improvement in play. I think Saric is going to be a good player in the NBA and depending on his private workouts, I think there's a good chance he sneeks into the lottery even.

I fail to see who would be a better pick than Saric if he's available at 22 overall with more upside and talent. People forget that Saric outplayed Noel and Anthony Bennett at the 2012 Nike Hoops summit. Then this entire season Saric has played professional basketball against men to get stronger and improve with the other players went to play in the NCAA. Noel and Bennett are both top 5 picks in the 2013 NBA draft.

Reggie Bullock is definitely the type of backup wing defender we can use.

He's got great defensive technique and is good spot-up shooter.

I only wonder if he'll able to keep up with the wings in the NBA. He's not terribly fast. There's no way he'd be able to cover the likes of LBJ, Melo, KD, and others.

N Ireland Nets wrote:

DarkXaero wrote:I still don't understand how Saric is a good pick with his lack of shooting ability, bad finishing ability, poor athleticism/lateral quickness, bad defense, no strength, and no defined position. Having a great feel & IQ for the game, and great passing/vision are extremely valuable traits, but those are some really serious flaws in his game which aren't really fixable (aside from shooting).

Have you even seen him play?

He is an average shooter but he still can hit open shots and even some 3's although his 3 point shooting is very erratic to say the least, that can always be improved on at his age. His defensive isn't bad and he defends the PF position well. He will be an NBA PF which is the position he has played all season for Cibona while bulking up. He isn't a bad finisher, he's a great finisher, in fact he's a very good slasher and cuts to the basket really well. He's also a very good rebounder.

Are you basing your opinion off scouting reports online or after watching him play this year?

Saric has been getting better and better throughout the season which makes perfect sense due to the protracted negotiations with FIBA etc until he finally signed for Cibona missing pre season etc and walking straight into playing, not to mention finally splitting from his father as manager/agent who ruined most of his early career.

Saric has been beasting through the playoffs.

Game 1 Cibona 84-86 Kvarner 2010
26 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists in 31mins

Game 2 Cibona 82-76 Zadar
12 points, 7 rebounds in 26mins

Game 3 Cibona 81-65 Alkar Sinj
14 points, 14 rebounds, 2 assists in 36mins

Game 4 Cibona 93-83 KK Zagreb
20 points, 11 (6off) rebounds, 2 assists in 36mins

Game 5 Cibona 81-64 Jolly
17 points, 5 rebounds in 31mins

Game 6 Cibona 79-61 KK Split
10 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist in 21mins

Game 7 Cibona 69-78 Cedevita
13 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists in 34mins

Game 8 Cibona 92-65 Kvarner
13 points, 3 rebounds, 8 assists in 28mins

Game 9 Cibona 87-86 Zadar
11 points, 10 rebounds in 27mins

Game 10 DNP

Game 11 DNP

Game 12 Cibona 76-78 Jolly (on May 7th)
19 points, 15 rebounds, 2 assists in 35mins

Game 13 Cibona 81-78 KK Split (on May 11th)
16 points, 9 rebounds, 2assists in 22mins

So he's averaging 15.5ppg (74% 2pointFG with 69%ft), 8.3rpg and 2.2apg in 29mins.

Comparing his numbers in the 2nd round (playoffs) like above, compared to the regular season is a big improvement in play. I think Saric is going to be a good player in the NBA and depending on his private workouts, I think there's a good chance he sneeks into the lottery even.

I fail to see who would be a better pick than Saric if he's available at 22 overall with more upside and talent. People forget that Saric outplayed Noel and Anthony Bennett at the 2012 Nike Hoops summit. Then this entire season Saric has played professional basketball against men to get stronger and improve with the other players went to play in the NCAA. Noel and Bennett are both top 5 picks in the 2013 NBA draft.

I've only seen footage of him on youtube and I have read the scouting reports, which is why I keep asking. You seem to have good knowledge on European basketball so I value your opinion here. Good to see he's doing really well in the playoffs. Going by the scouting reports, they pretty much listed everything outside of passing & feel as his weaknesses, and his stats for the league were really poor. If he's going to be a PF in the NBA, he doesn't need to be a good shooter, but just looking at him, he has nowhere near the frame right now to play that position in the NBA. Needs to bulk up a lot. At PF, his lateral quickness won't be as much of a concern but he will still need to improve his defense a lot.