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Re: RTT IV: All Hail Jiren The Gray 

Post#1501 » by Jersey Generals » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:01 pm

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Re: RTT IV: All Hail Jiren The Gray 

Post#1502 » by Jersey Generals » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:11 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:By the way, whoever recommended reading the manga version of Super was on point. It actually tells the story a lot better than the anime does. In the manga Jiren's personality is a lot more fleshed out...he's a really likable dude. Seeing how he is makes you actually want to root for him in a way.


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MrDollarBills wrote:also something i found out today (not sure if this was mentioned in the show), the manga/comic version of DB Super fleshes out the story a bit more than the anime does. Apparently Zeno's Angel assistant is the father of Whis and the other angels.


1) You don't read the manga? You have to get on that, guy. I actually rarely watch the show.
2) Whis and Vados were mentioned as brother and sister previously, and Whis mentioned the Grand Priest being his father in the anime, so ipso facto, Vados was known to be the daughter of the Grand Priest in the anime. However, the manga flat out said all of the angels are brothers and sisters, while the anime has yet to say it in such terms.
3) It's not a 1 to 1 story, so while yes, the manga does flesh out some things more than the anime, the anime does things differently as well, so you can't really point to one as evidence in the other unfortunately.


Quoting myself about Jiren when they first introduced him in the manga:

Jersey Generals wrote:Whelp, Jiren has now been shown to survive in space, so there goes that idea.

It basically means that Zamasu had no chance in winning. Ever.

Plus, Jiren is a straight up Superman expy now that we've seen his personality. In fact, he may be even more moral than Superman.


Jersey Generals wrote:Dude was willing to be erased because he didn't want to bring erasure to other universes since he knew he would win. OG right there.
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Re: RTT IV: All Hail Jiren The Gray 

Post#1503 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:14 pm

I liked how Goku used some strategy in this fight for once. The energy bomb IED trick was dope, I hope they put that in future versions of the game.
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Re: RTT IV: All Hail Jiren The Gray 

Post#1504 » by Jersey Generals » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:19 am

I really like the name Super Saiyan Royal Blue. I hate the idea of the transformation/form, but the name? Works on multiple levels so long as it stays a Vegeta exclusive.
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Re: RTT IV: All Hail Jiren The Gray 

Post#1505 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:33 am

Jersey Generals wrote:
CalamityX12 wrote:I can't wait for your review

and my sentiments are similiar if not the same with your two points

Oh btw, I have and played Star Wars Battlefront II: spoilers on how game ends
Spoiler:
WOWWWWWWWWWW, I really really reallly thought Rey was the daughter of the lead character but she is not. But DAMN, it looked like it was setup perfectly. If you have played it, let me know, we could talk more. If not but want to know how it went down(story) lmk and i shall pass my experience to you.

cheers!


cheers!


Really? How did it end? I was the one that told you about that potential plot point, so it's funny that you'd be the one that tells me how it actually ended up. I haven't played it, but I do want to hear the story.

And as for writing the review, I'm realizing that I'm growing more and more angry at the movie as I continue to write it. I have it done, it's 2300 words :lol: , I'll post it tomorrow.

Spoiler:
It ended with both Iden and Del Meeki(husband dead) and their daughter, Zay, alive and fighting with the resistance en which eventually leads to the opening scene of TFA.

I'll try to give you plot points to avoid going to lengthy for ya!

- Iden is part of the Empire's special forces called Inferno. With two other soliders/agents, Del Meeko(soon to be lover/husband/father to be) and Hask(eventual "lead antagonist")
- Timeline started when the rebels discovered the 2nd death star and lead up to battle of endor.
- Inferno squad vows revenge after witnessing the destruction and defeat of the death star and the emperor.
- Del Meeko sent on a secret mission to a planet where Palpatine hid ancient artifacts and other force related treasures. There he meets Luke and Luke opens his eyes to the wrongs of the empire. Luke also picked something up that I don't know(perhaps a map? idk)
- Back in a Empire city, they eventually see the wrongs of their action(Iden and Mel Meeko) and switch sides.
- They duo meets the likes of leia, Han, Chewbacca(Meeko previously met Luke).
- back n forth missions etc... each mission dropping hints about a new order being created from the empire.
- There is a secret weapon in development(this weapon turns out to be a Dreadnaught ship)
- then a timeskip....!!!!!!!!!!!about 2 decades worth.
- We see an older Meeko, back on that planet from before(where he met Luke), being detained for questioning. Questioning by no other than.... Kylo Ren!
- We learn that Meeko has a daughter!!! then we find out said daughter isn't Rey afterall. Meeko is killed by Hask(former teammate). We also learn that Meeko gave the map to Skywalker to Lor san tekka! eeeeeeeeeek. Kylo Ren then proceeds to search for Lor.
- Iden and Zay go on missions then to one last final battle....at Jakku!
- So all those battlecruisers we see in the sands... well, there are from this battle.
- Ends with Iden dying and Zay pledging to the resistance.

fin!
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Re: RTT IV: All Hail Jiren The Gray 

Post#1506 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:33 am

Jersey Generals wrote:I really like the name Super Saiyan Royal Blue. I hate the idea of the transformation/form, but the name? Works on multiple levels so long as it stays a Vegeta exclusive.

I respect Royal Blue. Fitting for Prince Vegeta afterall....
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Post#1507 » by Jersey Generals » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:03 am

CalamityX12 wrote:
Spoiler:
It ended with both Iden and Del Meeki(husband dead) and their daughter, Zay, alive and fighting with the resistance en which eventually leads to the opening scene of TFA.

I'll try to give you plot points to avoid going to lengthy for ya!

- Iden is part of the Empire's special forces called Inferno. With two other soliders/agents, Del Meeko(soon to be lover/husband/father to be) and Hask(eventual "lead antagonist")
- Timeline started when the rebels discovered the 2nd death star and lead up to battle of endor.
- Inferno squad vows revenge after witnessing the destruction and defeat of the death star and the emperor.
- Del Meeko sent on a secret mission to a planet where Palpatine hid ancient artifacts and other force related treasures. There he meets Luke and Luke opens his eyes to the wrongs of the empire. Luke also picked something up that I don't know(perhaps a map? idk)
- Back in a Empire city, they eventually see the wrongs of their action(Iden and Mel Meeko) and switch sides.
- They duo meets the likes of leia, Han, Chewbacca(Meeko previously met Luke).
- back n forth missions etc... each mission dropping hints about a new order being created from the empire.
- There is a secret weapon in development(this weapon turns out to be a Dreadnaught ship)
- then a timeskip....!!!!!!!!!!!about 2 decades worth.
- We see an older Meeko, back on that planet from before(where he met Luke), being detained for questioning. Questioning by no other than.... Kylo Ren!
- We learn that Meeko has a daughter!!! then we find out said daughter isn't Rey afterall. Meeko is killed by Hask(former teammate). We also learn that Meeko gave the map to Skywalker to Lor san tekka! eeeeeeeeeek. Kylo Ren then proceeds to search for Lor.
- Iden and Zay go on missions then to one last final battle....at Jakku!
- So all those battlecruisers we see in the sands... well, there are from this battle.
- Ends with Iden dying and Zay pledging to the resistance.

fin!


Ha thanks, was waiting for this before I released my review just in case it added anything to the story that I might want to point towards. Luckily, it doesn't, because it's obvious that they are writing from the seat of their pants and have no real clear vision of Star Wars as a whole since I can spot about three retcons just from what you wrote. Terrible. The game sounds fun, though.

CalamityX12 wrote:I respect Royal Blue. Fitting for Prince Vegeta afterall....


Exactly, As long as it's just a Vegeta form, Super Saiyan Royal Blue sounds appropriate. It's either that or Beyond Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, which is just awful. What's next, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan?
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Post#1508 » by Jersey Generals » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:38 am

My long awaited Last Jedi review is here! (and the crowd goes mild)

Preamble: Even with all going on in my life right now, I was excited to see The Last Jedi. After leaving the Force Awakens two years ago, I was excited about what was set up in regards to the First Order, Snoke, Kylo, Rey and Luke. While I believe the movie was a decent movie in and of itself, I feel that it missed on quite a few story elements that would interconnect the sequel trilogy more. Additionally, even though I do think it had some good parts, the biggest issue this movie has is the fact that I think the sequel trilogy has a serious problem in that two of the three main characters don’t do anything. With that being said, here are my Good, Bad, and Ugly reviews for the Last Jedi.

The Good: These are things that I liked, enjoyed, or thought were very entertaining.
Spoiler:
1) The movie looked great. It was beautiful and gorgeously put together, with the only real hiccup being how noticeable the cgi in the Rey and Luke on meditation rock scene is. Outside of that, it was a very well shot movie and had some really great visuals.

2) The Luke and Rey training parts were awesome. I wish the entire movie was based around that. What is under the island? What is the third session that Luke promised? Those are both things I wish they explored instead of going to the casino and spending time on that useless plot thread.

3) Luke’s Force powers. I have no complaint with how powerful Luke appeared in the movie. He showed that Rey was nothing to him when he toyed with her during the stick fight. He destroyed an entire hut with a simple gesture. And he used a Force ability that has never been seen before in the films (though in the comics and books, he used it a lot). Generally, I can see that he was an immensely powerful person, on par with the greatest Jedi of all time, which is all I could ever ask for in regards to that. Though, I did wish we saw more of it.

4) The Kylo/Snoke and Kylo/Rey parts. They were all interesting and added an interesting dynamic to the story.

5) The caretakers were hilarious. Most of the jokes and one-liners were awkward and out of place, especially the Hux and Poe banter at the start, but the caretakers dislike of Rey? Hilarious and a great addition to the movie.

6) The acting. I can’t recall a single bad performance that jumps out on the screen, including Daisy Ridley, which I felt was less than average during the Force Awakens. Mark Hamill especially was great, and I think he might deserve the Oscar nomination if only as a life-time achievement.


The Bad: These are things that are not irredeemable, but I just did not enjoy or like very much.
Spoiler:
1) Kylo Ren. Making Luke want to kill his nephew due to the darkness that he found for even a brief moment? You know what, I’m okay with it. The **** has Force rabies and needs to be put down ole yeller-style, and I’m okay with it under one condition: they have stop trying to make Kylo Ren act like he’s good. Make him irredeemably evil in the end and that is why Luke knows, absolutely, that he cannot be saved, unlike his father. Instead, they are trying to make him like Anakin in which “maybe he can be saved” is constantly in the background. Additionally, it makes no sense: Kylo is conflicted a decade later, correct? So what, Luke thought he was completely evil when he’s a teenager, just learning of the Dark Side? It’s stupid and lacks coherency. Make him evil, make him be the one that tricks Rey into believing he can be saved in a long con plot to kill Snoke. Make him orchestrate the plan to get Snoke killed from the moment Papa Snoke laughed at him for being a little boy in a mask. That would make him menacing and a force with which to be reckoned. Instead, by playing this back and forth stuff, and I don’t mean his struggle with it, I mean the actual idea of him being redeemed from a writing standpoint, all they did was make him seem like a whiny, self-righteous, indecisive little bitch, incapable of doing anything on his own. By making him scheme against Snoke via Rey, it would make him cold, calculating, and most of all, dangerous and make us question whether Rey can actually beat him in the 9th movie.

2) Luke. His character sucks and if that’s how Rian Johnson viewed Star Wars, he shouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near this movie. Luke’s regression completely voids the entire point of Return of the Jedi, nay the entire Original Trilogy, where Luke beats Vader through love, not combat. He threw down his lightsaber and refused to fight, fully confident that his feelings for his father would save him. It’s a shame that Rian Johnson took one of the greatest characters ever, a pure hero that learned from his mistakes and conquered his demons, showed that he would never give up and never surrender, and regressed him to force a very cynical view point of “no one changes” into the movie. But let’s say that Luke’s character wasn’t ruined, they still screwed up in how they went about his character. I don’t like how he ran off in shame after having a brief moment of thought of killing an evil son of a bitch, but they could have saved this plot point with one change: it had so much more potential in having him run off because of the death of his students. “I failed my students. They trusted me to guide them, to teach them, show them the way, and most of all, to protect them. I failed them. It was the will of the Force for Ben to fall, but those innocent students? My students? I failed them.” That would have been a real, true arc for him, I feel. It would give him a constant reminder of all the death that he caused by not being able to handle Ben, and with Rey as his new student, his pain would bubble up and force him to overcome his grief about their deaths. By having him run off because Ben fell completely erases the entire point of his saving Vader, his father, and that to me is an incredible mistake.

3) Snoke. So what do we know about Snoke? Oh, nothing? Okay, then…what’s the point of the Force Awakens now? There was very little point in having Snoke be this mysterious dude if all he was going to be was a throwaway villain that we don’t know anything about and was only there to make Kylo seem powerful and show Kylo’s struggle. Yes, we didn’t know much about Sidious when he died, but there were movies before Return of the Jedi that would shed light on his history (it was episodes 4-6, whereas this is episode 8 with 7 movies in front of it and already established canon). Here, Snoke will never be told who he is in the context of this trilogy because he is dead, there is no reason to discuss him in the 9th installment. It would simply be exposition without purpose. And they also ruined any chance they have him being interesting in a prequel because he went out like a bitch and literally did nothing but die. However, because there is still another movie, this is just bad for me, rather than in the ugly section. All they had to do was have Rey ask Luke after Luke mentioned Snoke, “what is Snoke?” A quick, ten second answer from Luke would have sufficed, but it’s apparent that Johnson had no interest in the character and said as much in recent interviews.

4) The porgs. Listen, I know this is Disney and it’s a kids movie and they need to sell merchandise, but they literally did nothing. If anything they should have given the caretakers a cuter design and have them be the porgs—that way, the cute characters are also ingratiated into the story, rather than just being annoying to Chewie on the Falcon. Or have the porgs just be baby caretakers, who rascal about as their parents do work on the island.


The Ugly: The are cold hard truths about the movie that ruin it from a certain point of view.

Spoiler:
1) Finn is useless. Take Finn out of the movie, what changes? Rey doesn’t get a hug at the end of the movie is literally the only thing that would be different. He’s not a character, he’s just there. His whole plot of finding the slicer/hacker with Rose was a waste of time and only there to get Rose and Finn close to each other. In fact, it was so useless that it actually hurt the Resistance in that the hacker ended up giving away the real plan that would have worked. Instead, use that time to focus on Rey and Luke more, have a battle on the Resistance ship as a small battalion of First Order troops led by Phasma board the ship akin to Darth Vader in A New Hope, and simply have a random First Order officer notice the escape shuttles heading towards Crait. That would make a cleaner, shorter, thinner, and more engaging movie that doesn’t have a plodding middle section.

2) Poe is useless. Take Poe out of the movie, what changes? Without his god-level ability to be a pilot, he does not do anything throughout the entire movie except make the wrong call with his plan and get knocked out by Leia. They want to portray him as a badass, but he simply sat on a ship and concocted a plan that ended up being the antithesis to helping out the Resistance because he can’t fathom that he is wrong. And without his piloting, what is he? A nothing character, which makes sense because he wasn’t supposed to be a character in the first place. He was supposed to die on Jakku, his appearances later in the film only came about because the real god-like pilot they intended for the Resistance was going to be Wedge Antilles but the actor refused to come back so they wrote Poe in place of Wedge’s. They don’t know what to do with this character and it was apparent. Perhaps with Leia’s death due to Carrie Fisher’s own passing, that’ll change, but he was a big miss in regards to the Last Jedi.

3) The plot sucks. Everything outside of Luke, Rey and Kylo was simply an awful, awful plot. It’s a slow speed chase…in space. You mean to tell me that the First Order, which is self-admittedly running the galaxy with hundreds of warships, can’t call another Star Destroyer to lightspeed in on the opposite side of the Resistance’s ship in order to encircled them? “But JG, it might have taken too long! Who is to say the Star Destroyers could get there in time?” The movie. The movie says so. In fact, the movie literally had Luke on an “unfindable planet”, and guess what? Rey was able to get from that unfindable planet to the area of space where all of the action was happening. Finn and Rose were able to get to Canto and back in the 18 or so hours they had. Okay, so let’s say there are no Star Destroyers that are close enough, then why not just use one that is with Snoke’s ship? There were at least three, send one off into lightspeed for an hour and have it return on the opposite side of the Resistance’s ships an hour later. Box them in. Oh, wait, I guess that’s too complicated for a galaxy-spanning want-to-be Empire. Or…just send out your Tie fighters without combat support. Tie fighters don’t have hyperdrives, doesn’t mean they can’t go out a little further into space, though (especially since this Tie fighter support is completely out of leftfield and has never been mentioned or shown once in all of Star Wars lore). It was a contrived stall tactic to be able to have the Luke and Rey scenes and ended up being entirely unnecessary.

4) The casino scenes were useless. Like mentioned in the Finn portion of this, the casino parts were totally unnecessary. They were there simply to have Finn do something and to get him close to Rose, while also adding a chance to lecture us about social justice. The reason why this is in the ugly section is because it could have been good by simply having Snoke own the casino, make Finn and Rose realize that Snoke is buying his weapons with the very money the rich **** are spending in his casino. That way, it’d show that it’s a never-ending loop—Snoke gets money from the rich via the casino, then uses said money to buy weapons from the same rich people. It would have enhanced the point of Del Toro’s words that good guys and bad guys are just words, everyone buys weapons. Instead, without the connection to Snoke or the First Order, it just makes it an incredible waste of time that was there to contrive a situation for Rose and Finn to get together.

5) The tone of the movie was all over the place and the pacing was horrendous. First we are talking about something serious, and then we have a joke, only for the scene to cut to a less interesting scene. The Marvel humor did not fit this movie and the cut scenes were way too overdone and didn’t allow certain scenes the room to breathe.

6) With Snoke being a throwaway character, Rey’s parentage, and Poe really having no place, it’s apparent now that there was no plan for any of these movies from the start. In fact, I think it’s pretty obvious that Rian Johnson was given a spec script or a plot rundown of Michael Arndt’s version of the Force Awakens, as well as the barebones of George Lucas’ version of the story, and wrote the Last Jedi from that, and after the actual release of the Force Awakens, most likely did not change anything from what he wrote and just went with it without taking into account any of the mysteries set up by JJ. After all, the original ending of the Force Awakens was going to have boulders hovering around Luke to show just how powerful he was, but was taken out when they read and early version of the Last Jedi script.

7) There are a few inconsistencies with this movie and the Force Awakens that I honestly have no idea if the 9th movie can fix them. The Knights of Ren vision can no longer be a vision of the future and must have happened in the past, but when? If Rey’s parents died on Jakku, why did the vision show her them leaving Jakku on that ship? Why did Kylo know about Rey in the Force Awakens if she was a nobody and unconnected to him prior to their meeting at Maz’s? A lot of things simply do not make sense and lack the coherency one would expect in a trilogy, a sequel, and a saga as a whole.

8) But I guess subversive things in film simply to be subversive is what they were going for, huh? To insult fans that spend hundreds of dollars a year on books, merchandise, and comics? To punish and teach fans a lesson for daring to theorize the plot? To push forward their new character at the expense of the old ones that people grew to love and cherish over the last forty years? **** Rian Johnson, **** Disney and **** this film as a Star Wars movie.


Conclusion:
Spoiler:
I have no problem with Snoke dying at that point, he didn’t need to be the end game villain, what I have a problem with is that they set him up to be a mystery only to disregard it. A simple ten second explanation of who he was and why he exists would have made a ton of difference (and Rian Johnson basically confirmed that he is Plagueis, by the way, in his many damage control interviews since the release of the movie). I can even accept Rey’s parentage as I even mentioned the possibility of her being a nobody in my previous posts. My dislike of the movie is not what I brought into it beforehand, go back and read my multiple theories, I always had two: what I thought would happen, which was based on facts supported by supplemental materials that Disney promised would mean something, and what I wanted to happen, which was completely different. Instead, my dislike is the complete and utter disregard that they treated Star Wars lore with in the end product.

I understand that Han, Luke and Leia can’t lead this new trilogy, I get that, but you don’t have to toss them away in a disrespectful manner. You don’t have to **** on the past to build the future. Worse yet, it’s got goofier scenes than the prequels, more awkward humor, and worse plot contrivances, yet no one bats an eye at this movie. It’s really boggling to my mind. In the end, to me, it felt like a Guardians of the Galaxy movie trying to be a Star Trek movie trying to be a Star Wars movie. It just didn’t feel right. But with all of that being said, enjoy this movie, don’t enjoy it, I don’t give a **** and my review is not meant to sway anyone. You do you. However, as a Star Wars movie, it sucks.


Order of movies from favorite to last:
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
The Last Jedi
Attack of the Clones

Decent Sci-fantasy movie, though.
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Re: RTT IV: All Hail Jiren The Gray 

Post#1509 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:59 am

Jersey Generals wrote:My long awaited Last Jedi review is here! (and the crowd goes mild)

Preamble: Even with all going on in my life right now, I was excited to see The Last Jedi. After leaving the Force Awakens two years ago, I was excited about what was set up in regards to the First Order, Snoke, Kylo, Rey and Luke. While I believe the movie was a decent movie in and of itself, I feel that it missed on quite a few story elements that would interconnect the sequel trilogy more. Additionally, even though I do think it had some good parts, the biggest issue this movie has is the fact that I think the sequel trilogy has a serious problem in that two of the three main characters don’t do anything. With that being said, here are my Good, Bad, and Ugly reviews for the Last Jedi.

The Good: These are things that I liked, enjoyed, or thought were very entertaining.
Spoiler:
1) The movie looked great. It was beautiful and gorgeously put together, with the only real hiccup being how noticeable the cgi in the Rey and Luke on meditation rock scene is. Outside of that, it was a very well shot movie and had some really great visuals.
2) The Luke and Rey training parts were awesome. I wish the entire movie was based around that. What is under the island? What is the third session that Luke promised? Those are both things I wish they explored instead of going to the casino and spending time on that useless plot thread.
3) Luke’s Force powers. I have no complaint with how powerful Luke appeared in the movie. He showed that Rey was nothing to him when he toyed with her during the stick fight. He destroyed an entire hut with a simple gesture. And he used a Force ability that has never been seen before in the films (though in the comics and books, he used it a lot). Generally, I can see that he was an immensely powerful person, on par with the greatest Jedi of all time, which is all I could ever ask for in regards to that. Though, I did wish we saw more of it.
4) The Kylo/Snoke and Kylo/Rey parts. They were all interesting and added an interesting dynamic to the story.
5) The caretakers were hilarious. Most of the jokes and one-liners were awkward and out of place, especially the Hux and Poe banter at the start, but the caretakers dislike of Rey? Hilarious and a great addition to the movie.
6) The acting. I can’t recall a single bad performance that jumps out on the screen, including Daisy Ridley, which I felt was less than average during the Force Awakens. Mark Hamill especially was great, and I think he might deserve the Oscar nomination if only as a life-time achievement.


The Bad: These are things that are not irredeemable, but I just did not enjoy or like very much.
Spoiler:
1) Kylo Ren. Making Luke want to kill his nephew due to the darkness that he found for even a brief moment? You know what, I’m okay with it. The **** has Force rabies and needs to be put down ole yeller-style, and I’m okay with it under one condition: they have stop trying to make Kylo Ren act like he’s good. Make him irredeemably evil in the end and that is why Luke knows, absolutely, that he cannot be saved, unlike his father. Instead, they are trying to make him like Anakin in which “maybe he can be saved” is constantly in the background. Additionally, it makes no sense: Kylo is conflicted a decade later, correct? So what, Luke thought he was completely evil when he’s a teenager, just learning of the Dark Side? It’s stupid and lacks coherency. Make him evil, make him be the one that tricks Rey into believing he can be saved in a long con plot to kill Snoke. Make him orchestrate the plan to get Snoke killed from the moment Papa Snoke laughed at him for being a little boy in a mask. That would make him menacing and a force with which to be reckoned. Instead, by playing this back and forth stuff, and I don’t mean his struggle with it, I mean the actual idea of him being redeemed from a writing standpoint, all they did was make him seem like a whiny, self-righteous, indecisive little bitch, incapable of doing anything on his own. By making him scheme against Snoke via Rey, it would make him cold, calculating, and most of all, dangerous and make us question whether Rey can actually beat him in the 9th movie.
2) Luke. His character sucks and if that’s how Rian Johnson viewed Star Wars, he shouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near this movie. Luke’s regression completely voids the entire point of Return of the Jedi, nay the entire Original Trilogy, where Luke beats Vader through love, not combat. He threw down his lightsaber and refused to fight, fully confident that his feelings for his father would save him. It’s a shame that Rian Johnson took one of the greatest characters ever, a pure hero that learned from his mistakes and conquered his demons, showed that he would never give up and never surrender, and regressed him to force a very cynical view point of “no one changes” into the movie. But let’s say that Luke’s character wasn’t ruined, they still screwed up in how they went about his character. I don’t like how he ran off in shame after having a brief moment of thought of killing an evil son of a bitch, but they could have saved this plot point with one change: it had so much more potential in having him run off because of the death of his students. “I failed my students. They trusted me to guide them, to teach them, show them the way, and most of all, to protect them. I failed them. It was the will of the Force for Ben to fall, but those innocent students? My students? I failed them.” That would have been a real, true arc for him, I feel. It would give him a constant reminder of all the death that he caused by not being able to handle Ben, and with Rey as his new student, his pain would bubble up and force him to overcome his grief about their deaths. By having him run off because Ben fell completely erases the entire point of his saving Vader, his father, and that to me is an incredible mistake.
3) Snoke. So what do we know about Snoke? Oh, nothing? Okay, then…what’s the point of the Force Awakens now? There was very little point in having Snoke be this mysterious dude if all he was going to be was a throwaway villain that we don’t know anything about and was only there to make Kylo seem powerful and show Kylo’s struggle. Yes, we didn’t know much about Sidious when he died, but there were movies before Return of the Jedi that would shed light on his history (it was episodes 4-6, whereas this is episode 8 with 7 movies in front of it and already established canon). Here, Snoke will never be told who he is in the context of this trilogy because he is dead, there is no reason to discuss him in the 9th installment. It would simply be exposition without purpose. And they also ruined any chance they have him being interesting in a prequel because he went out like a bitch and literally did nothing but die. However, because there is still another movie, this is just bad for me, rather than in the ugly section. All they had to do was have Rey ask Luke after Luke mentioned Snoke, “what is Snoke?” A quick, ten second answer from Luke would have sufficed, but it’s apparent that Johnson had no interest in the character and said as much in recent interviews.
4) The porgs. Listen, I know this is Disney and it’s a kids movie and they need to sell merchandise, but they literally did nothing. If anything they should have given the caretakers a cuter design and have them be the porgs—that way, the cute characters are also ingratiated into the story, rather than just being annoying to Chewie on the Falcon. Or have the porgs just be baby caretakers, who rascal about as their parents do work on the island.


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1) Finn is useless. Take Finn out of the movie, what changes? Rey doesn’t get a hug at the end of the movie is literally the only thing that would be different. He’s not a character, he’s just there. His whole plot of finding the slicer/hacker with Rose was a waste of time and only there to get Rose and Finn close to each other. In fact, it was so useless that it actually hurt the Resistance in that the hacker ended up giving away the real plan that would have worked. Instead, use that time to focus on Rey and Luke more, have a battle on the Resistance ship as a small battalion of First Order troops led by Phasma board the ship akin to Darth Vader in A New Hope, and simply have a random First Order officer notice the escape shuttles heading towards Crait. That would make a cleaner, shorter, thinner, and more engaging movie that doesn’t have a plodding middle section.
2) Poe is useless. Take Poe out of the movie, what changes? Without his god-level ability to be a pilot, he does not do anything throughout the entire movie except make the wrong call with his plan and get knocked out by Leia. They want to portray him as a badass, but he simply sat on a ship and concocted a plan that ended up being the antithesis to helping out the Resistance because he can’t fathom that he is wrong. And without his piloting, what is he? A nothing character, which makes sense because he wasn’t supposed to be a character in the first place. He was supposed to die on Jakku, his appearances later in the film only came about because the real god-like pilot they intended for the Resistance was going to be Wedge Antilles but the actor refused to come back so they wrote Poe in place of Wedge’s. They don’t know what to do with this character and it was apparent. Perhaps with Leia’s death due to Carrie Fisher’s own passing, that’ll change, but he was a big miss in regards to the Last Jedi.
3) The plot sucks. Everything outside of Luke, Rey and Kylo was simply an awful, awful plot. It’s a slow speed chase…in space. You mean to tell me that the First Order, which is self-admittedly running the galaxy with hundreds of warships, can’t call another Star Destroyer to lightspeed in on the opposite side of the Resistance’s ship in order to encircled them? “But JG, it might have taken too long! Who is to say the Star Destroyers could get there in time?” The movie. The movie says so. In fact, the movie literally had Luke on an “unfindable planet”, and guess what? Rey was able to get from that unfindable planet to the area of space where all of the action was happening. Finn and Rose were able to get to Canto and back in the 18 or so hours they had. Okay, so let’s say there are no Star Destroyers that are close enough, then why not just use one that is with Snoke’s ship? There were at least three, send one off into lightspeed for an hour and have it return on the opposite side of the Resistance’s ships an hour later. Box them in. Oh, wait, I guess that’s too complicated for a galaxy-spanning want-to-be Empire. Or…just send out your Tie fighters without combat support. Tie fighters don’t have hyperdrives, doesn’t mean they can’t go out a little further into space, though (especially since this Tie fighter support is completely out of leftfield and has never been mentioned or shown once in all of Star Wars lore). It was a contrived stall tactic to be able to have the Luke and Rey scenes and ended up being entirely unnecessary.
4) The casino scenes were useless. Like mentioned in the Finn portion of this, the casino parts were totally unnecessary. They were there simply to have Finn do something and to get him close to Rose, while also adding a chance to lecture us about social justice. The reason why this is in the ugly section is because it could have been good by simply having Snoke own the casino, make Finn and Rose realize that Snoke is buying his weapons with the very money the rich **** are spending in his casino. That way, it’d show that it’s a never-ending loop—Snoke gets money from the rich via the casino, then uses said money to buy weapons from the same rich people. It would have enhanced the point of Del Toro’s words that good guys and bad guys are just words, everyone buys weapons. Instead, without the connection to Snoke or the First Order, it just makes it an incredible waste of time that was there to contrive a situation for Rose and Finn to get together.
5) The tone of the movie was all over the place and the pacing was horrendous. First we are talking about something serious, and then we have a joke, only for the scene to cut to a less interesting scene. The Marvel humor did not fit this movie and the cut scenes were way too overdone and didn’t allow certain scenes the room to breathe.
6) With Snoke being a throwaway character, Rey’s parentage, and Poe really having no place, it’s apparent now that there was no plan for any of these movies from the start. In fact, I think it’s pretty obvious that Rian Johnson was given a spec script or a plot rundown of Michael Arndt’s version of the Force Awakens, as well as the barebones of George Lucas’ version of the story, and wrote the Last Jedi from that, and after the actual release of the Force Awakens, most likely did not change anything from what he wrote and just went with it without taking into account any of the mysteries set up by JJ. After all, the original ending of the Force Awakens was going to have boulders hovering around Luke to show just how powerful he was, but was taken out when they read and early version of the Last Jedi script.
7) There are a few inconsistencies with this movie and the Force Awakens that I honestly have no idea if the 9th movie can fix them. The Knights of Ren vision can no longer be a vision of the future and must have happened in the past, but when? If Rey’s parents died on Jakku, why did the vision show her them leaving Jakku on that ship? Why did Kylo know about Rey in the Force Awakens if she was a nobody and unconnected to him prior to their meeting at Maz’s? A lot of things simply do not make sense and lack the coherency one would expect in a trilogy, a sequel, and a saga as a whole.
8) But I guess subversive things in film simply to be subversive is what they were going for, huh? To insult fans that spend hundreds of dollars a year on books, merchandise, and comics? To punish and teach fans a lesson for daring to theorize the plot? To push forward their new character at the expense of the old ones that people grew to love and cherish over the last forty years? **** Rian Johnson, **** Disney and **** this film as a Star Wars movie.


Conclusion:
Spoiler:
I have no problem with Snoke dying at that point, he didn’t need to be the end game villain, what I have a problem with is that they set him up to be a mystery only to disregard it. A simple ten second explanation of who he was and why he exists would have made a ton of difference (and Rian Johnson basically confirmed that he is Plagueis, by the way, in his many damage control interviews since the release of the movie). I can even accept Rey’s parentage as I even mentioned the possibility of her being a nobody in my previous posts. My dislike of the movie is not what I brought into it beforehand, go back and read my multiple theories, I always had two: what I thought would happen, which was based on facts supported by supplemental materials that Disney promised would mean something, and what I wanted to happen, which was completely different. Instead, my dislike is the complete and utter disregard that they treated Star Wars lore with in the end product. I understand that Han, Luke and Leia can’t lead this new trilogy, I get that, but you don’t have to toss them away in a disrespectful manner. You don’t have to **** on the past to build the future. Worse yet, it’s got goofier scenes than the prequels, more awkward humor, and worse plot contrivances, yet no one bats an eye at this movie. It’s really boggling to my mind. In the end, to me, it felt like a Guardians of the Galaxy movie trying to be a Star Trek movie trying to be a Star Wars movie. It just didn’t feel right. But with all of that being said, enjoy this movie, don’t enjoy it, I don’t give a **** and my review is not meant to sway anyone. You do you. However, as a Star Wars movie, it sucks.


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A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
The Last Jedi
Attack of the Clones

Decent Sci-fantasy movie, though.

Preach!!!!!!!

I will thoroughly reply but I'm passed out tired lol.... Very nice write up. It's consistent with the vast majority of disapproval by fans alike.

How could Disney be so careless? and how Rian can be green light for another Star Wars property film is beyond me.
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Post#1510 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:26 pm

That's a pretty good break down and actually explains (to me, who is a casual viewer) why long time star wars fans don't like the film, honestly one of the best and most thoughtful analysis of the film that I've seen tbh. I agree with a lot of what was written now looking back at it. But a question regarding Luke

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I'll take TLJ over The Phantom Menace and Return of the Sith. The dialogue is so bad in those films I don't know how anyone can take them seriously.
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Majin Android 21 added to Dragonball FighterZ -

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Interesting twist to the Android 21 character. At least it adds another female fighter to the mix until we get the obvious Kefla DLC character

not that it matters since I'll be using Goku black all the time to dispense justice
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MrDollarBills wrote:Interesting twist to the Android 21 character. At least it adds another female fighter to the mix until we get the obvious Kefla DLC character

not that it matters since I'll be using Goku black all the time to dispense justice

If Jiren is ever added(IIRC he hasn't), I could see myself Jiren'd up everybody...

Jiren is so cool.... and boss.
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Post#1515 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:08 pm

I would play as Jiren as well. Because Jiren is of sound moral values, and believes in justice. Unlike that sociopath Son Goku who lies as he breathes, and just exists to fight people.

I'm also hoping for a Ribrianne DLC character, so I could spread the message of love through my controller.
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MrDollarBills wrote:I would play as Jiren as well. Because Jiren is of sound moral values, and believes in justice. Unlike that sociopath Son Goku who lies as he breathes, and just exists to fight people.

I'm also hoping for a Ribrianne DLC character, so I could spread the message of love through my controller.

oh god thats hilarious!
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Post#1517 » by treiz » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:33 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:That's a pretty good break down and actually explains (to me, who is a casual viewer) why long time star wars fans don't like the film, honestly one of the best and most thoughtful analysis of the film that I've seen tbh. I agree with a lot of what was written now looking back at it. But a question regarding Luke

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People change as they age. The idealism of youth tends to give way to the cynicism that comes as we get older and experience more. Why is it bad for Luke to have changed?


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I don't think it was all bad for Luke to change, even if it was a semi-traumatic experience creeping over Ben Solo that made him do it. But like JG said, it was a complete 180 to what the original trilogy was about and what Luke represented for Star Wars, how he overcame and learned to become the hero that he became, even overcoming his father being on the opposite end through sheer determination and never giving up, and to throw that all away because he was creeping was for me what made me hate this version of Luke.
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Post#1518 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:02 pm

https://kotaku.com/dragon-ball-super-is-ending-this-march-1822219535

DragonBall Super is going on hiatus in March, but Fuji TV says that the series is not ending. A new DragonBall movie that supposedly focuses on the history of the Saiyans is coming out in December.

I really hope it's not the end, I really want to see what happens after DragonBall Z ended with Uub. Surely Toriyama and Toyotarō will have some new ideas planned.
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Post#1519 » by CalamityX12 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:13 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:https://kotaku.com/dragon-ball-super-is-ending-this-march-1822219535

DragonBall Super is going on hiatus in March, but Fuji TV says that the series is not ending. A new DragonBall movie that supposedly focuses on the history of the Saiyans is coming out in December.

I really hope it's not the end, I really want to see what happens after DragonBall Z ended with Uub. Surely Toriyama and Toyotarō will have some new ideas planned.

Man, i wish it went back to the old roots that the foundation of Dragonball is built on....

All these power ups are cool but enough is enough. Give me some material or story.

If you read the manga
Spoiler:
Dende introduced Goku to Uub, thought that was pretty cool...
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Post#1520 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:15 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:https://kotaku.com/dragon-ball-super-is-ending-this-march-1822219535

DragonBall Super is going on hiatus in March, but Fuji TV says that the series is not ending. A new DragonBall movie that supposedly focuses on the history of the Saiyans is coming out in December.

I really hope it's not the end, I really want to see what happens after DragonBall Z ended with Uub. Surely Toriyama and Toyotarō will have some new ideas planned.

Man, i wish it went back to the old roots that the foundation of Dragonball is built on....

All these power ups are cool but enough is enough. Give me some material or story.

If you read the manga
Spoiler:
Dende introduced Goku to Uub, thought that was pretty cool...


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they showed Dende talking to Goku about Uub in the anime too, but the manga fleshed it out more. the manga is really good imo better written than the show.
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