Jersey Generals wrote:I don't want to quote you because I'd see the spoilers, but here's the answer to the last message you wrote.
The Phantom Menace was a rehash of A New Hope in story notes, but different in plot points. Do you ever hear people complain about it being a rehash? Or is it that people complain that it was a bad movie? Rehashes are okay so long as they are different in structure. That's the difference. If there had been no Planet base that could destroy a planet or a group of planets, I'm not sure people would care that it's a rehash. If there was no resistance vs First Order, again, people wouldn't care it's a rehash. The problem was the plot points are all too similar, which made for a movie that, if you were to watch it in place of A New Hope, you very well could have the same trilogy with Rey in Luke's place.
As for winning with hardcore fans, the thing is, it's not necessarily winning with regular fans, either. There is a huge divide: you like it, I've heard people that aren't fans of Star Wars that don't like it. And that may be why you don't get the anger that this movie is getting met with: it very well could be a good movie that you like, it doesn't mean that it belongs in the Star Wars Numeric Saga. And the worst part? With how Rian Johnson and Disney are responding, I think they under-estimated how many would feel betrayed by tossing out decades worth of lore.
Like I said, haven't watched it so not speaking out on how good of a movie is or not, just making conversation.
Hm...I really fail to see how the movie doesn't fit in, it is a direct continuation of TFA. but I'll wait until you watch it for you to tell me exactly why and what was tossed out. I felt that the narrative choices made helped to bring Star Wars into a fresh direction storywise. I literally think some people wanted a recreation of the empire strikes back...which would be boring as hell to watch. I really enjoyed TFA not because it was a rehash of Episode 4 but because the new characters Rey, Finn and Poe were all fun and appealing (plus Daisy Ridley is really cute). I enjoyed TLJ because it was unpredictable, beautiful, ruthlessly brutal, and it added new elements and direction of the overall story.
By the way, I just saw this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html?smid=tw-shareFive days a week, in the foggy hills of San Francisco, 11 writers and artists discuss the minutiae of storm troopers. This is the Lucasfilm story group, and its members hold the keys to everything “Star Wars”: Under their guidance, the franchise’s narratives are linked no matter the platform, whether it’s television, games, theme parks, publishing, merchandise or, of course, film. With their ideas shaping each character and setting, they don’t see themselves as gatekeepers but as partners furthering the stories their creators want to tell.
so LucasFilm does have a story group or people guiding the overall narrative just like Marvel Studios does. So some these decisions that Rian is getting killed for were set in stone probably years ago.
I have enjoyed all three films so far (tfa, rogue 1, TLJ). Compared to how garbage the prequel trilogy was, i think that the story group is getting it done.
. But I think that was the point as well, when I say it was unpredictable, it's because of the fact that Finn, Rey, Rose, and Poe were ultimately useless and they failed but they also were given a moment which they can look back on and learn from. 
