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[NyCeEvO]

My grandfather passed away yesterday.

I knew it was coming (his health was on a rapid decline over the last year), tried my best to mentally prepare for it, and thought I'd be ok when the day arrived.

And yet when I received the phone call yesterday morning, all of my "preparation" was for naught and I still got so torn up over it. I can't stop thinking about him no matter what I do. While I'm glad he's no longer suffering, I was always glad to see him regardless of the condition he was in.

I'm fortunate enough to have experienced a lot the highs in life, but man...some of the low moments like this one hurt really badly. This sucks.

[CalamityX12]

My grandfather passed away yesterday.

I knew it was coming (his health was on a rapid decline over the last year), tried my best to mentally prepare for it, and thought I'd be ok when the day arrived.

And yet when I received the phone call yesterday morning, all of my "preparation" was for naught and I still got so torn up over it. I can't stop thinking about him no matter what I do. While I'm glad he's no longer suffering, I was always glad to see him regardless of the condition he was in.

I'm fortunate enough to have experienced a lot the highs in life, but man...some of the low moments like this one hurt really badly. This sucks.

My condolences buddy. I'm really sorry for your lost. We can always try and prepare ourselves but sometimes we can't be fully prepared. Very sorry for you, your family and your loved ones. May he rest in peace.

Remember him proudly and love every memory you have. Celebrate him in your way.

We are all here if you need us!!

[Jersey Generals]

My grandfather passed away yesterday.

I knew it was coming (his health was on a rapid decline over the last year), tried my best to mentally prepare for it, and thought I'd be ok when the day arrived.

And yet when I received the phone call yesterday morning, all of my "preparation" was for naught and I still got so torn up over it. I can't stop thinking about him no matter what I do. While I'm glad he's no longer suffering, I was always glad to see him regardless of the condition he was in.

I'm fortunate enough to have experienced a lot the highs in life, but man...some of the low moments like this one hurt really badly. This sucks.

I'm sorry, man. My condolences to you and your family. If you need anything at all, do not hesitate to ask.

[Jersey Generals]

That's a pretty good break down and actually explains (to me, who is a casual viewer) why long time star wars fans don't like the film, honestly one of the best and most thoughtful analysis of the film that I've seen tbh. I agree with a lot of what was written now looking back at it. But a question regarding Luke

Spoiler:

People change as they age. The idealism of youth tends to give way to the cynicism that comes as we get older and experience more. Why is it bad for Luke to have changed?

First off, thanks for the appreciation. I understand the common thought is that fans hate it because "Rey's a woman! Finn is black! Poe is (most likely) gay!", but those are just neckbeards and I ignore those fans. However, I have legit problems with the film from a story and fan point of view. And you may never understand this aspect of it, but it's changed Star Wars for a good number of us. I honestly don't really give a **** anymore. I walked out of TFA with all these thoughts and theories in my mind, but when I walked out of the Last Jedi, I was empty. I have no idea if I'll even see Solo and Episode 9 in theaters, and a large number of fans feel the same. Star Wars is just dead to us. I don't mean that melodramatically, it's totally cool, but it's a weird feeling to have been a huge fan of something and then in one movie it's just gone, but that's what it's like.

As for Luke...

Spoiler:

Because not everyone breaks; not everyone succumbs to depression, anger, lethargy. The idea that everyone changes and can change for the worse, is a very cynical ideal that does not jive well with the original trilogy. You're basically saying that him being a good person was a youthful idealism because he allowed the galaxy to rot and people to die by sitting on his ass on Ahch-To and not doing a damn thing to stop Snoke. You want to say he went there to find a way to turn Ben back to the light? Fine. You want to say that he went there to die because he couldn't handle his failure and was willing to doom the rest of the universe because of it? That's not changing, that's being a selfish **** that does not match the Luke Skywalker that not only appears in the original trilogy, but appears in the canon novels and comics, as well. It's not Luke Skywalker, it's a character that was created for the Last Jedi by Rian Johnson and named Luke Skywalker. Rian Johnson forced the story he wanted to tell onto Luke, and from a fan point of view who does read the books and the comics, it's totally bull. Luke would not run away and not figure out a way to save people. But I could even live with it if a) he ran because of his students dying, and b) he didn't die. But now that he's dead? He's not a hero, he's a coward, and that is antithesis to what the original trilogy was about. Can he change? Absolutely, people change all the time. Should that have been the change when looking at it from a sequel trilogy point of view? Nope.

[Jersey Generals]

Preach!!!!!!!

I will thoroughly reply but I'm passed out tired lol.... Very nice write up. It's consistent with the vast majority of disapproval by fans alike.

How could Disney be so careless? and how Rian can be green light for another Star Wars property film is beyond me.

This is the longest sleep of all time, man.

Yeah, I have no idea how he was allowed anywhere near this movie IF Disney wanted to have a cogent sequel trilogy with the first two trilogies. They should have just given him a standalone property from the start if they wanted him so badly. However, it's clear they don't want a cogent sequel trilogy, unfortunately.

I'll take TLJ over The Phantom Menace and Return of the Sith. The dialogue is so bad in those films I don't know how anyone can take them seriously.

Watch Q2's Fall of the Jedi trilogy. You'd be surprised.

As for why I pick it over the rest of the prequels, it actually holds up well in regards to the special effects and whatnot, while the Attack of the Clones and the Revenge of the Sith look awful now that some years have passed. Now, me putting the Last Jedi below Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith is because it was just that bad to me...but not Attack of the Clones bad. Maybe if Luke didn't like sand, too...

Spoiler:

I don't think it was all bad for Luke to change, even if it was a semi-traumatic experience creeping over Ben Solo that made him do it. But like JG said, it was a complete 180 to what the original trilogy was about and what Luke represented for Star Wars, how he overcame and learned to become the hero that he became, even overcoming his father being on the opposite end through sheer determination and never giving up, and to throw that all away because he was creeping was for me what made me hate this version of Luke.

Preach, brother. And that's coming from someone who liked the Last Jedi so it's not just nerds who didn't like the film that noticed it, as well, which is comforting.

[MrDollarBills]

My grandfather passed away yesterday.

I knew it was coming (his health was on a rapid decline over the last year), tried my best to mentally prepare for it, and thought I'd be ok when the day arrived.

And yet when I received the phone call yesterday morning, all of my "preparation" was for naught and I still got so torn up over it. I can't stop thinking about him no matter what I do. While I'm glad he's no longer suffering, I was always glad to see him regardless of the condition he was in.

I'm fortunate enough to have experienced a lot the highs in life, but man...some of the low moments like this one hurt really badly. This sucks.

Sorry for your loss brother.

[treiz]

My grandfather passed away yesterday.

I knew it was coming (his health was on a rapid decline over the last year), tried my best to mentally prepare for it, and thought I'd be ok when the day arrived.

And yet when I received the phone call yesterday morning, all of my "preparation" was for naught and I still got so torn up over it. I can't stop thinking about him no matter what I do. While I'm glad he's no longer suffering, I was always glad to see him regardless of the condition he was in.

I'm fortunate enough to have experienced a lot the highs in life, but man...some of the low moments like this one hurt really badly. This sucks.

Condolences man, sorry for your loss.

[MrDollarBills]

That's a pretty good break down and actually explains (to me, who is a casual viewer) why long time star wars fans don't like the film, honestly one of the best and most thoughtful analysis of the film that I've seen tbh. I agree with a lot of what was written now looking back at it. But a question regarding Luke

Spoiler:

People change as they age. The idealism of youth tends to give way to the cynicism that comes as we get older and experience more. Why is it bad for Luke to have changed?

First off, thanks for the appreciation. I understand the common thought is that fans hate it because "Rey's a woman! Finn is black! Poe is (most likely) gay!", but those are just neckbeards and I ignore those fans. However, I have legit problems with the film from a story and fan point of view. And you may never understand this aspect of it, but it's changed Star Wars for a good number of us. I honestly don't really give a **** anymore. I walked out of TFA with all these thoughts and theories in my mind, but when I walked out of the Last Jedi, I was empty. I have no idea if I'll even see Solo and Episode 9 in theaters, and a large number of fans feel the same. Star Wars is just dead to us. I don't mean that melodramatically, it's totally cool, but it's a weird feeling to have been a huge fan of something and then in one movie it's just gone, but that's what it's like.

As for Luke...

Spoiler:

Because not everyone breaks; not everyone succumbs to depression, anger, lethargy. The idea that everyone changes and can change for the worse, is a very cynical ideal that does not jive well with the original trilogy. You're basically saying that him being a good person was a youthful idealism because he allowed the galaxy to rot and people to die by sitting on his ass on Ahch-To and not doing a damn thing to stop Snoke. You want to say he went there to find a way to turn Ben back to the light? Fine. You want to say that he went there to die because he couldn't handle his failure and was willing to doom the rest of the universe because of it? That's not changing, that's being a selfish **** that does not match the Luke Skywalker that not only appears in the original trilogy, but appears in the canon novels and comics, as well. It's not Luke Skywalker, it's a character that was created for the Last Jedi by Rian Johnson and named Luke Skywalker. Rian Johnson forced the story he wanted to tell onto Luke, and from a fan point of view who does read the books and the comics, it's totally bull. Luke would not run away and not figure out a way to save people. But I could even live with it if a) he ran because of his students dying, and b) he didn't die. But now that he's dead? He's not a hero, he's a coward, and that is antithesis to what the original trilogy was about. Can he change? Absolutely, people change all the time. Should that have been the change when looking at it from a sequel trilogy point of view? Nope.

those people who cry about Rey, Finn, and Poe are real insecure and mediocre losers. I think Rey is pretty bad ass, Finn is flawed but always pushes past his cowardice at the right moments, and Poe is overall cool as hell (and hot headed). Finn and Poe's escape from the first order in TFA was one of my favorite moments of the new films.

regarding Luke

Spoiler:

I understand, me personally I liked flawed characters more because they feel more human. Making Luke go from the hero he was in his youth to the cynical old man in his end days didn't really bother me, but I can understand how hardcore fans can have an issue with it. I am moreso along the lines of with the thought that people change, and it's not all that far fetched for certain experiences to sour someone as they grow older.

Question. Can you say for certain that this was 100%'s Rian's decision regarding the shift in Luke's personality? LucasFilms is not a one man show, someone had to approve these ideas.

That being said, I still thought Mark Hammill did a fantastic job despite the fact that he wasn't happy with what Luke had become as well.

[NyCeEvO]

I appreciate the comments and support you guys. I've basically been trying to distract myself for the last few days as it's been hard to do anything productive without thoughts of him flooding my mind.

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[MrDollarBills]

I appreciate the comments and support you guys. I've basically been trying to distract myself for the last few days as it's been hard to do anything productive without thoughts of him flooding my mind.

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Hopefully tonight's win helped to lift the mood a bit. Stay up fam.

[Rich Rane]

Right, guys. I'm back as well. My father passed away last month after a 6-month battle with a rare form of cancer. Anyway, I'd like to apologize for my absence and I'm just finding myself capable of getting back into the swing of things.

[Rich Rane]

Who the hell comes up with the episode titles for DBS? Thanks for ruining Toppo's reveal.

[CalamityX12]

Right, guys. I'm back as well. My father passed away last month after a 6-month battle with a rare form of cancer. Anyway, I'd like to apologize for my absence and I'm just finding myself capable of getting back into the swing of things.

Damn, very sorry for you as well Rich. My apologies and sincere thoughts and prayers for you and your family. I hope you had some good times left with him and forever treasure them!

As always, please know we are here for you with open arms.

[CalamityX12]

Makes no sense to see both A17 and Frieza out live both Gohan and Piccolo....

way to slap my childhood.....

[Jersey Generals]

Right, guys. I'm back as well. My father passed away last month after a 6-month battle with a rare form of cancer. Anyway, I'd like to apologize for my absence and I'm just finding myself capable of getting back into the swing of things.

Sorry for your loss, man. I'm right there with you. Condolences to you and your family.

[CalamityX12]

My long awaited Last Jedi review is here! (and the crowd goes mild)

Preamble: Even with all going on in my life right now, I was excited to see The Last Jedi. After leaving the Force Awakens two years ago, I was excited about what was set up in regards to the First Order, Snoke, Kylo, Rey and Luke. While I believe the movie was a decent movie in and of itself, I feel that it missed on quite a few story elements that would interconnect the sequel trilogy more. Additionally, even though I do think it had some good parts, the biggest issue this movie has is the fact that I think the sequel trilogy has a serious problem in that two of the three main characters don’t do anything. With that being said, here are my Good, Bad, and Ugly reviews for the Last Jedi.

The Good: These are things that I liked, enjoyed, or thought were very entertaining.

Spoiler:

1) The movie looked great. It was beautiful and gorgeously put together, with the only real hiccup being how noticeable the cgi in the Rey and Luke on meditation rock scene is. Outside of that, it was a very well shot movie and had some really great visuals.

2) The Luke and Rey training parts were awesome. I wish the entire movie was based around that. What is under the island? What is the third session that Luke promised? Those are both things I wish they explored instead of going to the casino and spending time on that useless plot thread.

3) Luke’s Force powers. I have no complaint with how powerful Luke appeared in the movie. He showed that Rey was nothing to him when he toyed with her during the stick fight. He destroyed an entire hut with a simple gesture. And he used a Force ability that has never been seen before in the films (though in the comics and books, he used it a lot). Generally, I can see that he was an immensely powerful person, on par with the greatest Jedi of all time, which is all I could ever ask for in regards to that. Though, I did wish we saw more of it.

4) The Kylo/Snoke and Kylo/Rey parts. They were all interesting and added an interesting dynamic to the story.

5) The caretakers were hilarious. Most of the jokes and one-liners were awkward and out of place, especially the Hux and Poe banter at the start, but the caretakers dislike of Rey? Hilarious and a great addition to the movie.

6) The acting. I can’t recall a single bad performance that jumps out on the screen, including Daisy Ridley, which I felt was less than average during the Force Awakens. Mark Hamill especially was great, and I think he might deserve the Oscar nomination if only as a life-time achievement.

The Bad: These are things that are not irredeemable, but I just did not enjoy or like very much.

Spoiler:

1) Kylo Ren. Making Luke want to kill his nephew due to the darkness that he found for even a brief moment? You know what, I’m okay with it. The **** has Force rabies and needs to be put down ole yeller-style, and I’m okay with it under one condition: they have stop trying to make Kylo Ren act like he’s good. Make him irredeemably evil in the end and that is why Luke knows, absolutely, that he cannot be saved, unlike his father. Instead, they are trying to make him like Anakin in which “maybe he can be saved” is constantly in the background. Additionally, it makes no sense: Kylo is conflicted a decade later, correct? So what, Luke thought he was completely evil when he’s a teenager, just learning of the Dark Side? It’s stupid and lacks coherency. Make him evil, make him be the one that tricks Rey into believing he can be saved in a long con plot to kill Snoke. Make him orchestrate the plan to get Snoke killed from the moment Papa Snoke laughed at him for being a little boy in a mask. That would make him menacing and a force with which to be reckoned. Instead, by playing this back and forth stuff, and I don’t mean his struggle with it, I mean the actual idea of him being redeemed from a writing standpoint, all they did was make him seem like a whiny, self-righteous, indecisive little bitch, incapable of doing anything on his own. By making him scheme against Snoke via Rey, it would make him cold, calculating, and most of all, dangerous and make us question whether Rey can actually beat him in the 9th movie.

2) Luke. His character sucks and if that’s how Rian Johnson viewed Star Wars, he shouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near this movie. Luke’s regression completely voids the entire point of Return of the Jedi, nay the entire Original Trilogy, where Luke beats Vader through love, not combat. He threw down his lightsaber and refused to fight, fully confident that his feelings for his father would save him. It’s a shame that Rian Johnson took one of the greatest characters ever, a pure hero that learned from his mistakes and conquered his demons, showed that he would never give up and never surrender, and regressed him to force a very cynical view point of “no one changes” into the movie. But let’s say that Luke’s character wasn’t ruined, they still screwed up in how they went about his character. I don’t like how he ran off in shame after having a brief moment of thought of killing an evil son of a bitch, but they could have saved this plot point with one change: it had so much more potential in having him run off because of the death of his students. “I failed my students. They trusted me to guide them, to teach them, show them the way, and most of all, to protect them. I failed them. It was the will of the Force for Ben to fall, but those innocent students? My students? I failed them.” That would have been a real, true arc for him, I feel. It would give him a constant reminder of all the death that he caused by not being able to handle Ben, and with Rey as his new student, his pain would bubble up and force him to overcome his grief about their deaths. By having him run off because Ben fell completely erases the entire point of his saving Vader, his father, and that to me is an incredible mistake.

3) Snoke. So what do we know about Snoke? Oh, nothing? Okay, then…what’s the point of the Force Awakens now? There was very little point in having Snoke be this mysterious dude if all he was going to be was a throwaway villain that we don’t know anything about and was only there to make Kylo seem powerful and show Kylo’s struggle. Yes, we didn’t know much about Sidious when he died, but there were movies before Return of the Jedi that would shed light on his history (it was episodes 4-6, whereas this is episode 8 with 7 movies in front of it and already established canon). Here, Snoke will never be told who he is in the context of this trilogy because he is dead, there is no reason to discuss him in the 9th installment. It would simply be exposition without purpose. And they also ruined any chance they have him being interesting in a prequel because he went out like a bitch and literally did nothing but die. However, because there is still another movie, this is just bad for me, rather than in the ugly section. All they had to do was have Rey ask Luke after Luke mentioned Snoke, “what is Snoke?” A quick, ten second answer from Luke would have sufficed, but it’s apparent that Johnson had no interest in the character and said as much in recent interviews.

4) The porgs. Listen, I know this is Disney and it’s a kids movie and they need to sell merchandise, but they literally did nothing. If anything they should have given the caretakers a cuter design and have them be the porgs—that way, the cute characters are also ingratiated into the story, rather than just being annoying to Chewie on the Falcon. Or have the porgs just be baby caretakers, who rascal about as their parents do work on the island.

The Ugly: The are cold hard truths about the movie that ruin it from a certain point of view.

Spoiler:

1) Finn is useless. Take Finn out of the movie, what changes? Rey doesn’t get a hug at the end of the movie is literally the only thing that would be different. He’s not a character, he’s just there. His whole plot of finding the slicer/hacker with Rose was a waste of time and only there to get Rose and Finn close to each other. In fact, it was so useless that it actually hurt the Resistance in that the hacker ended up giving away the real plan that would have worked. Instead, use that time to focus on Rey and Luke more, have a battle on the Resistance ship as a small battalion of First Order troops led by Phasma board the ship akin to Darth Vader in A New Hope, and simply have a random First Order officer notice the escape shuttles heading towards Crait. That would make a cleaner, shorter, thinner, and more engaging movie that doesn’t have a plodding middle section.

2) Poe is useless. Take Poe out of the movie, what changes? Without his god-level ability to be a pilot, he does not do anything throughout the entire movie except make the wrong call with his plan and get knocked out by Leia. They want to portray him as a badass, but he simply sat on a ship and concocted a plan that ended up being the antithesis to helping out the Resistance because he can’t fathom that he is wrong. And without his piloting, what is he? A nothing character, which makes sense because he wasn’t supposed to be a character in the first place. He was supposed to die on Jakku, his appearances later in the film only came about because the real god-like pilot they intended for the Resistance was going to be Wedge Antilles but the actor refused to come back so they wrote Poe in place of Wedge’s. They don’t know what to do with this character and it was apparent. Perhaps with Leia’s death due to Carrie Fisher’s own passing, that’ll change, but he was a big miss in regards to the Last Jedi.

3) The plot sucks. Everything outside of Luke, Rey and Kylo was simply an awful, awful plot. It’s a slow speed chase…in space. You mean to tell me that the First Order, which is self-admittedly running the galaxy with hundreds of warships, can’t call another Star Destroyer to lightspeed in on the opposite side of the Resistance’s ship in order to encircled them? “But JG, it might have taken too long! Who is to say the Star Destroyers could get there in time?” The movie. The movie says so. In fact, the movie literally had Luke on an “unfindable planet”, and guess what? Rey was able to get from that unfindable planet to the area of space where all of the action was happening. Finn and Rose were able to get to Canto and back in the 18 or so hours they had. Okay, so let’s say there are no Star Destroyers that are close enough, then why not just use one that is with Snoke’s ship? There were at least three, send one off into lightspeed for an hour and have it return on the opposite side of the Resistance’s ships an hour later. Box them in. Oh, wait, I guess that’s too complicated for a galaxy-spanning want-to-be Empire. Or…just send out your Tie fighters without combat support. Tie fighters don’t have hyperdrives, doesn’t mean they can’t go out a little further into space, though (especially since this Tie fighter support is completely out of leftfield and has never been mentioned or shown once in all of Star Wars lore). It was a contrived stall tactic to be able to have the Luke and Rey scenes and ended up being entirely unnecessary.

4) The casino scenes were useless. Like mentioned in the Finn portion of this, the casino parts were totally unnecessary. They were there simply to have Finn do something and to get him close to Rose, while also adding a chance to lecture us about social justice. The reason why this is in the ugly section is because it could have been good by simply having Snoke own the casino, make Finn and Rose realize that Snoke is buying his weapons with the very money the rich **** are spending in his casino. That way, it’d show that it’s a never-ending loop—Snoke gets money from the rich via the casino, then uses said money to buy weapons from the same rich people. It would have enhanced the point of Del Toro’s words that good guys and bad guys are just words, everyone buys weapons. Instead, without the connection to Snoke or the First Order, it just makes it an incredible waste of time that was there to contrive a situation for Rose and Finn to get together.

5) The tone of the movie was all over the place and the pacing was horrendous. First we are talking about something serious, and then we have a joke, only for the scene to cut to a less interesting scene. The Marvel humor did not fit this movie and the cut scenes were way too overdone and didn’t allow certain scenes the room to breathe.

6) With Snoke being a throwaway character, Rey’s parentage, and Poe really having no place, it’s apparent now that there was no plan for any of these movies from the start. In fact, I think it’s pretty obvious that Rian Johnson was given a spec script or a plot rundown of Michael Arndt’s version of the Force Awakens, as well as the barebones of George Lucas’ version of the story, and wrote the Last Jedi from that, and after the actual release of the Force Awakens, most likely did not change anything from what he wrote and just went with it without taking into account any of the mysteries set up by JJ. After all, the original ending of the Force Awakens was going to have boulders hovering around Luke to show just how powerful he was, but was taken out when they read and early version of the Last Jedi script.

7) There are a few inconsistencies with this movie and the Force Awakens that I honestly have no idea if the 9th movie can fix them. The Knights of Ren vision can no longer be a vision of the future and must have happened in the past, but when? If Rey’s parents died on Jakku, why did the vision show her them leaving Jakku on that ship? Why did Kylo know about Rey in the Force Awakens if she was a nobody and unconnected to him prior to their meeting at Maz’s? A lot of things simply do not make sense and lack the coherency one would expect in a trilogy, a sequel, and a saga as a whole.

8) But I guess subversive things in film simply to be subversive is what they were going for, huh? To insult fans that spend hundreds of dollars a year on books, merchandise, and comics? To punish and teach fans a lesson for daring to theorize the plot? To push forward their new character at the expense of the old ones that people grew to love and cherish over the last forty years? **** Rian Johnson, **** Disney and **** this film as a Star Wars movie.

Conclusion:

Spoiler:

I have no problem with Snoke dying at that point, he didn’t need to be the end game villain, what I have a problem with is that they set him up to be a mystery only to disregard it. A simple ten second explanation of who he was and why he exists would have made a ton of difference (and Rian Johnson basically confirmed that he is Plagueis, by the way, in his many damage control interviews since the release of the movie). I can even accept Rey’s parentage as I even mentioned the possibility of her being a nobody in my previous posts. My dislike of the movie is not what I brought into it beforehand, go back and read my multiple theories, I always had two: what I thought would happen, which was based on facts supported by supplemental materials that Disney promised would mean something, and what I wanted to happen, which was completely different. Instead, my dislike is the complete and utter disregard that they treated Star Wars lore with in the end product.

I understand that Han, Luke and Leia can’t lead this new trilogy, I get that, but you don’t have to toss them away in a disrespectful manner. You don’t have to **** on the past to build the future. Worse yet, it’s got goofier scenes than the prequels, more awkward humor, and worse plot contrivances, yet no one bats an eye at this movie. It’s really boggling to my mind. In the end, to me, it felt like a Guardians of the Galaxy movie trying to be a Star Trek movie trying to be a Star Wars movie. It just didn’t feel right. But with all of that being said, enjoy this movie, don’t enjoy it, I don’t give a **** and my review is not meant to sway anyone. You do you. However, as a Star Wars movie, it sucks.

Decent Sci-fantasy movie, though.

dear lord bare with me... LOL.

Reaction to:
The Good

Spoiler:

Agree with your points to support your good view on the movie. I thought the imagery and cinematagrophy of both space and land were excellent.

Idk how you felt, but the lightspeed through the Supremacy(Snoke's ship) was a thing of beauty. I just wish it was Leia on it and doing it, that would've made it more impactful. Hindsight, I would almost prefer it that Snoke was alive on the ship and her lightspeed went through his vinicity of the ship thus decapitating his ass epically. Luke defeats the Emperor(assist) and Leia snuffs Snoke(for Han and Ben).

The Bad

Spoiler:

1. I can't say I didn't hate Kylo Ren but i definitely hated the rationale of Luke giving up on him. I mean we have seen Luke gave undying compassion and thought, never ending will to save a father he never knew but gives up on Ben for "darkness" he saw in him? It just doesn't vibe. Had there been no before or a story of Luke for all of us to know beforehand, then ok, I can see that cuz we never knew about Luke. However there is precedence that has to be honored and considered here. For him to make such a change in character is hard to digest, not to mention his apparent short lived spotlight right after his "resolve". That only componded the irrational presentation of our cult hero.

I would like to see that scheming side of Kylo, thus emphasising his "Dark" inhibitions. Something that would seperate himself from his grandfather and actually show a similiar route a la Palpatine in terms of getting things done. Now are they going to do a love affair type relationship with Rey? who knows, it seems they were bordering that angle.

I am disappointed, partly due to Rian "can kiss my ass" Johnson's lead and not JJ's, in not seeing the "complete his training" path to the dark side that Snoke graciously declared to us in the end of ep.7.

2.Agreed. I could just copy n paste your point Luke. I hated the character take, Mark Hamill hated it, how? how the **** Disney saw it as good is beyond me. I'm not against someone changing as they "age" but not like this. Again with his sudden demise/sacrifice, this is the lasting image we have of him. Ask, what do you remember luke the most? his brave decoy moment or his bizarro self? That doesn't sit right and I feel that's a big reason for many( at least me) irritated view on the movie.

3.Who's Snoke?

lol jk... am i? idk.... As you mentioned, Luke could literally spent 5 mins(not much in movie time) and told Rey how he was caught off guard by Snoke's rise due to such n such. He still isn't sure how he came into power etc etc... Then Snoke or Kylo could finish that thought process in another scene or to Rey as they all meet. Snoke could even tease about his origins, leave a **** cliffhanger for **** sake. but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I like the betrayal(although the moment maybe too early?) from Ren but basically that chapter is closed and he was too important of a character to dimiss so soon without proper information(you built him up, not we the people, you marketed his ass(to Disney)). Might as well use a council like leadership like from the Purge to run the first order and begone with them without interest.

Jar Jar Binks has more screen time and impact into the Star Wars Universe than Snoke, LOL.

The Ugly

Spoiler:

The handling of Finn and Poe were botched IMO. In a classic scenario where two "lead" characters are seperated to different paths, it allows the movie to progress while focusing on each character and growing with that character. Rey they handled it, good or bad(not much bad, more like not much to complain or be disappointed other than parentage) but Finn was done a diservice. It was a failure on RJ to take his character and expand it and bring it to a new level. Show us the training expertise from the First Order, show us a change in character, is he more fearful, fearless? Where is his focus? No, they stuck him to a "must find rey errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" character thus demoting him to a sidekick. Major botch IMO. Am I too interpret his change of demeanor in the casion planet mission? well ok, but that whole side story was a joke. RJ gave a poor excuse of too many characters to expand and focus on blah... well maybe cut off the damn slow speed chase, the casino planet in its entirety or idk, less stable boy footage for your new super dupper bout to **** flop more than the last jedi soon to be sw trilogy you apparently were promoting here.

Poe... he was made look worse by the dumbest mystery set up by the lead resistance. Not telling the guy the plan. why? what purpose was that for? need to know? its that PIVOTAL? Would made more interesting had their been a spy on the ship, and for them to figure out who but no, don't tell him the plan. The pratical, nothing complicated plan that would save everyone time from forging a mutiny. LOL... I would've been more acceptable to Holdo being a spy or double agent than her not telling Poe a simple plan and stealing a favorbal Star Wars Moment IMO with the lightspeed collision.

The story was bad... a hot mess and proof that you shouldn't have two different writers/directors/whatever the **** u want to call them in a trilogy. I'm surpried they didn't have a story laid out in some form to stick to. Something that looks like fluidity or cohesionness... we get hot mess, we get garbage. People, like me, waited for this moment with open hearts and expectations(high sure but could never anticipated this feel of disappointment) and we got a piece that shatted on our faces by the end.

A lot of end of the trigoly type feel me in that movie. I mean, what I do look forward to? What the hell is 9 suppose to cover? lol.... Are we going to bring Luke back with suitable air time thus diminishing an epic leave(luv his sunset to the force scene but s/b in 9 n not 8), there's no leia(can't control). I hear the popular theory is to set forward into the future.... Not sure I like it but i wouldn't call a year or 2 too much into the future.

#5 so true, this is the Marvel effect. This movie had no adventure, no story, it was Marvel. My worst fear coming to fruitition. I like my movies to have some serious elements to it or else there's no investment or interest of what happens next. You know when they say something serious, a predictable joke enues(hated thor 3 for it, funny ass movie but made it into a joke)

I rather they just re do 8 than make a 9.It's a joke, how they passed this off blows my mind. They clearly had an agenda cuz this movie was poor. Good Sci Fi flick, bad Star Wars entry IMO.

This is me, but I felt( I didn't at the time but as weeks passed) they made the male roles too much of a joke and punched in the female supreme roles on us. No offense to any woman reading its not my intent but I definitely didn't see anything that gave a male a equal view of positive. All the jokes, dumb moments, corny feel came on the males where as the women apparently know everything and are the beings of the universe. This doesn't pertain to Rey/Ren leads but on the other characters. It's like every big speech or moment, from the new cast, came from the women's side where the jokes and mistakes or blahhh were dropped by the males. It irks me but no wonder Kennedy of Disney loved it in my selfish view.

in the end,

**** you Johsnon and **** OFF DISNEY!!!

DILLY DILLY!

This is not on the acting, I did like the acting.

[MrDollarBills]

Right, guys. I'm back as well. My father passed away last month after a 6-month battle with a rare form of cancer. Anyway, I'd like to apologize for my absence and I'm just finding myself capable of getting back into the swing of things.

oh my god...so many unfortunate passings among the forum. I'm sorry for your loss brother. nothing to apologize for.

[MrDollarBills]

Who the hell comes up with the episode titles for DBS? Thanks for ruining Toppo's reveal.

they have been doing that for years (in the Japanese version, the US Version they change the titles). the episode title always spoils stuff

this was last week's title: "The Fiercely Overwhelming Assault! Gohan's Last Stand!!"

and of course, what happened? Gohan gets eliminated

here's some other great ones

"Goku VS Kefla! Super Saiyan Blue Defeated?!"

"The Sign of a Comeback! Ultra Instinct's Huge Explosion!!"



btw if anyone is a fan of the dubbed American version of Dragon Ball, the Goku Black saga started on Adult Swim last weekend.

Watch on YouTube

i like how the American voice actor made the subtle change in tone to his voice like how Goku's japanese voice actress did with her version of Goku Black.

[therealbig3]

English dub>>>>Japanese voice acting, except for Trunks.

Goku and Gohan whenever they fight with the Japanese voiceover: "ATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA!!!!"

But credit to whoever Trunks's voice actor was...this was absolutely epic:

Watch on YouTube

[therealbig3]

BTW, sad that Gohan got eliminated like that. Would have preferred if it was 17 that fought Dyspo and had to eliminate himself, while Gohan takes on Toppo, and gets a transformation that allows him to go toe to toe with him and they eliminate each other. I feel like Gohan earned that, especially with all the hype he was getting about wanting to get a new transformation that nobody has ever seen before, and I feel that the show kept suggesting over the last few episodes that he was on par with Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza.