Trade Scenario: Durant to BK

[Trader_Joe]

Been on this OKC/Durant tear as of late and here is the finale....

OKC trades:
Durant, Perkins, Gomes, Sefalosha, Collison
for
D.Williams , Lopez, AK, T.Shengelia

D. Williams / Jackson / Fisher
Westbrook / Lamb
AK / Roberson / Shengelia
Ibaka / PJ III / Orton
Lopez / Adams / Thabeet

They get better across the board, except at SF, where AK would be a great fit next to Ibaka and reunited with D.Will. D. Will and Lopez won 49 games by themselves last year essentially. Upgrade JJ to RW, Wallace to AK and Evans to Ibaka and I think you have the best starting 5 in the game potentially.


LAL trades:
Nash
for
Terry, Gomes, Rights to Karaman

Terry / Farmar / Blake
Bryant / Meeks
W.Johnson / N.Young / Gomes
J.Hill / Sh.Williams
Gasol / Kaman / Sacre

Gomes is an expirer, Terry expires next year.
They increase their 2014 cap space with this deal and add depth.


BK trades:
D.Williams, Lopez, AK, Shengelia, Rights to Karaman
for
Durant, Perkins, Nash, Sefolosha, Collison

Nash / Livingston / Taylor
J.Johnson / Pierce / Sefolosha
Durant / Pierce / Anderson
Garnett / Teletovic / Evans
Blatche / Collison / Plumlee / Perkins

They get the best player in the deal. They'd be old as dirt, but have Durant and a ton of cap space in a couple seasons. JJ. KD and PP would be the best perimeter trio in ages.


http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=prs7d3h

[vincecarter4pres]

D Will in there?

If it the unthinkable were to happen I'd think it would be centered around Lopez, Deron would not be involved.

Durant is going to walk here in 2016 though.

Lopez will either be here or be traded for a guy like Love.

Deron will opt out of the final year of his deal and take a big pay cut for a 4 or full 5 year re-up at a still substantial amount, but nowhere near his exuberant 5th year max.

So you have your two big max deals in Durant and Lopez/Love and D on a low 10 figure deal, a rookie contract guy or two and the rest wind up ring chasers.

[Trader_Joe]

D Will in there?

If it the unthinkable were to happen I'd think it would be centered around Lopez, Deron would not be involved.

Durant is going to walk here in 2016 though.

Lopez will either be here or be traded for a guy like Love.

Deron will opt out of the final year of his deal and take a big pay cut for a 4 or full 5 year re-up at a still substantial amount, but nowhere near his exuberant 5th year max.

So you have your two big max deals in Durant and Lopez/Love and D on a low 10 figure deal, a rookie contract guy or two and the rest wind up ring chasers.

You know what they say about a bird in hand...

But, ideally...

D.Will opts out in 2016, to take less money, more years, say $16m year 1.
Durant signs for about $16m as well.
Howard or Lopez is that third star to take $16m.

The cap should be up around $62m by then, meaning we have money left over to say keep Blatche.
Plus the room exception. Also, we might have Bogdanovic by then under contract


D.Williams - $16m
Bogdanovic - $3m
Durant - $16m
Blatche - $6m
Howard or Lopez - $16m
+
'15 #1 - $1m
Room Exception (JJ at age 35 after making $25m can play for $2.5m)
5 Roster holds - $2.5m

=$60.5m

[bobbyc]

If they don't succeed in the playoffs over the next two seasons, I can see the Thunder trying to trade him during the season before he becomes a FA.(2015-16) Like Melo or D12, because they will still have Westbrook and Ibaka on the books after Durant becomes a FA. So they are going to try to put pieces around Westbrook to try to win.

But, we won't have anything to trade because we have no 1sts.

[Trader_Joe]

If they don't succeed in the playoffs over the next two seasons, I can see the Thunder trying to trade him during the season before he becomes a FA.(2015-16) Like Melo or D12, because they will still have Westbrook and Ibaka on the books after Durant becomes a FA. So they are going to try to put pieces around Westbrook to try to win.

But, we won't have anything to trade because we have no 1sts.

Who knows what we'll have by then.

D,Will
Lopez
Blatche
'15 #1
Purchased picks from prior years
Bogdanovic
Taylor
Toko
Plumlee
Expiring JJ

All assets...but most teams could out bid us, unless we offer the farm.

[Paradise]

I don't see any scenario where Durant would come here without Deron who is the piece that he needs the most to play next too and on OKC's side, I'm sure they would see the upside of Westbrook/Lopez/Ibaka as a tandem. Perkins is just such a toxic contract, it would take a miracle for someone to take him back, so we don't have to offer anyone else but It could be done I think.

From that point, I would hope Deron does the right thing by opting out and re-upping for less to make room for someone like Kevin Love. Like VC4Prez said, Durant/Love on max deals and D-Will on a low 10 million deal with reasonable deals around that.

We have some assets but it would take Durant to really help other teams from outbidding us. I don't know if he has that in him.

[DrazenForThree]

why does LA get involved for table scraps? doesnt seem like a lakers move. they'd be better off letting nash expire, or moving him for all expiring money.

i do any deal that gets durant here. he is a top 2 guy. lopez/dwill, in a heartbeat.

[Idee Mixed]

Sorry Trader Joe

As good as Durant is, why would I give OKC both Dwill and Lopez for Durant.

What is the point of that?

We have to find a way to add to what we have.

Dwill and Lopez should be kept. If Durant decides to leave, OKC will have NO leverage. They would want compensation but Dwill and Lopez shouldnt be in the discussion. I know Durant is the better player but I may consider Lopez but even that is stretch.

[DrazenForThree]

Sorry Trader Joe

As good as Durant is, why would I give OKC both Dwill and Lopez for Durant.

What is the point of that?

We have to find a way to add to what we have.

Dwill and Lopez should be kept. If Durant decides to leave, OKC will have NO leverage. They would want compensation but Dwill and Lopez shouldnt be in the discussion. I know Durant is the better player but I may consider Lopez but even that is stretch.

No... stop it with any lopez and durant comparisons. Durant is far the superior player, and both are the same age.

If we moved dwill for durant/lopez we'd have:

Livingston/JJ/Pierce/Durant/Garnett with a bench of Taylor/AK/Evans/Blatche. thats a pretty good team for right now. then in 2016 we have 100% cap room to build around durant and bring in anyone available he wants to play with.

now, this is all pretty unrealistic, for the reaosns everyone listed above, but if it was offered, id take it without hesitation. you win in this league by having the best player(s). a 25 year old durant is top 2, and once lebron gets a bit older, he likely ascends to #1.

obviously, if you can keep dwill or lopez you do it, but if they offered it, and durant would extend, and they wouldnt budge, no way i pass up a gaurantee that durant is here for 4-5 years locked up

[Idee Mixed]

Sorry Trader Joe

As good as Durant is, why would I give OKC both Dwill and Lopez for Durant.

What is the point of that?

We have to find a way to add to what we have.

Dwill and Lopez should be kept. If Durant decides to leave, OKC will have NO leverage. They would want compensation but Dwill and Lopez shouldnt be in the discussion. I know Durant is the better player but I may consider Lopez but even that is stretch.

No... stop it with any lopez and durant comparisons. Durant is far the superior player, and both are the same age.

If we moved dwill for durant/lopez we'd have:

Livingston/JJ/Pierce/Durant/Garnett with a bench of Taylor/AK/Evans/Blatche. thats a pretty good team for right now. then in 2016 we have 100% cap room to build around durant and bring in anyone available he wants to play with.

now, this is all pretty unrealistic, for the reaosns everyone listed above, but if it was offered, id take it without hesitation. you win in this league by having the best player(s). a 25 year old durant is top 2, and once lebron gets a bit older, he likely ascends to #1.

obviously, if you can keep dwill or lopez you do it, but if they offered it, and durant would extend, and they wouldnt budge, no way i pass up a gaurantee that durant is here for 4-5 years locked up

I never compared Lopez to Durant. I actually said Durant is a better player.

The point of my post was I dont want to part with Lopez because it doesnt make sense. What Trader Joe is suggesting is to REBOOT.

I like how you put Durant at PF. SMH. The reality is he is SF. So we would have, Livingston, JJ/Pierce, Durant, KG, Blatche. I am not sold. PG and Center will become our weak positions. To beat the heat you need a PG and Center. To beat any team in the East you need a PG and CENTER. This make absolutely NO SENSE.

Trading for Durant NOW isnt the best way to go. I would rather find a way to add Durant to Dwill and Lopez.
In two years, Nets will be able to do SnTs. If Durant says he wants to be a NET or he goes to another Team wth Cap Space, OKC has NO leverage to ask for Dwill and Lopez especially with what happened to Dwight and LAL.

People are getting ahead of themselves. 2014 Nets are good enough to contend for two years. Durant will be a FA then. BKing will have to be VERY creative to try to pull that off.

[DrazenForThree]

Sorry Trader Joe

As good as Durant is, why would I give OKC both Dwill and Lopez for Durant.

What is the point of that?

We have to find a way to add to what we have.

Dwill and Lopez should be kept. If Durant decides to leave, OKC will have NO leverage. They would want compensation but Dwill and Lopez shouldnt be in the discussion. I know Durant is the better player but I may consider Lopez but even that is stretch.

No... stop it with any lopez and durant comparisons. Durant is far the superior player, and both are the same age.

If we moved dwill for durant/lopez we'd have:

Livingston/JJ/Pierce/Durant/Garnett with a bench of Taylor/AK/Evans/Blatche. thats a pretty good team for right now. then in 2016 we have 100% cap room to build around durant and bring in anyone available he wants to play with.

now, this is all pretty unrealistic, for the reaosns everyone listed above, but if it was offered, id take it without hesitation. you win in this league by having the best player(s). a 25 year old durant is top 2, and once lebron gets a bit older, he likely ascends to #1.

obviously, if you can keep dwill or lopez you do it, but if they offered it, and durant would extend, and they wouldnt budge, no way i pass up a gaurantee that durant is here for 4-5 years locked up

I never compared Lopez to Durant. I actually said Durant is a better player.

The point of my post was I dont want to part with Lopez because it doesnt make sense. What Trader Joe is suggesting is to REBOOT.

I like how you put Durant at PF. SMH. The reality is he is SF. So we would have, Livingston, JJ/Pierce, Durant, KG, Blatche. I am not sold. PG and Center will become our weak positions. To beat the heat you need a PG and Center. To beat any team in the East you need a PG and CENTER. This make absolutely NO SENSE.

Trading for Durant NOW isnt the best way to go. I would rather find a way to add Durant to Dwill and Lopez.
In two years, Nets will be able to do SnTs. If Durant says he wants to be a NET or he goes to another Team wth Cap Space, OKC has NO leverage to ask for Dwill and Lopez especially with what happened to Dwight and LAL.

People are getting ahead of themselves. 2014 Nets are good enough to contend for two years. Durant will be a FA then. BKing will have to be VERY creative to try to pull that off.

when you have a 25 year old durant, you dont need to worry about the heat so much, as in a couple years they will be broken up or downgraded. Durant is the leagues second best player. once he hits his prime he may be #1. you dont pass on that because you hope he will demand a trade to brooklyn, and hope it works out(see dwightmares 1 through 4).

durant at PF is fine. it create more mismatches then issues by far. even if he cant, you figure it out. that team has enough talent to compete regardless of who plays were. plus you are no longer "win now" with durant on board, the windows grows immensly and you can retool around him.

you simply dont turn down a trade for the leagues second best player for the hope you get him later.

[Paradise]

Another way to go about it:


If Paul is still pretty good and wants to stick around, hopefully we re-sign him to a 10 or 9 million deal which should allow us to use him as an expiring. You can use him to take back any bad contract like Perkins.

[DrazenForThree]

Another way to go about it:


If Paul is still pretty good and wants to stick around, hopefully we re-sign him to a 10 or 9 million deal which should allow us to use him as an expiring. You can use him to take back any bad contract like Perkins.

i cant see pierce agree to stick around only to be traded to an OKC team that would be durant-less.

if he signed, it would be under the assumption he is staying. otherwise id have to assume LA or Back to Boston.

[Paradise]

Another way to go about it:


If Paul is still pretty good and wants to stick around, hopefully we re-sign him to a 10 or 9 million deal which should allow us to use him as an expiring. You can use him to take back any bad contract like Perkins.

i cant see pierce agree to stick around only to be traded to an OKC team that would be durant-less.

if he signed, it would be under the assumption he is staying. otherwise id have to assume LA or Back to Boston.

They could buy him out and he could return to Boston or join Doc with the Clippers. I'm sure he doesn't want to get traded again but If Durant is on the table and you have Pierce there and his contract can help absorb Perkins or Collison, then you have to go for it.

[DrazenForThree]

Another way to go about it:


If Paul is still pretty good and wants to stick around, hopefully we re-sign him to a 10 or 9 million deal which should allow us to use him as an expiring. You can use him to take back any bad contract like Perkins.

i cant see pierce agree to stick around only to be traded to an OKC team that would be durant-less.

if he signed, it would be under the assumption he is staying. otherwise id have to assume LA or Back to Boston.

They could buy him out and he could return to Boston or join Doc with the Clippers. I'm sure he doesn't want to get traded again but If Durant is on the table and you have Pierce there and his contract can help absorb Perkins or Collison, then you have to go for it.

if he wanted to go to boston or LA, he would likely just go there isntead of hoping to be bought out or whatever.

not to mention, why is OKC trading durant for an expiring they are just gonna buy out anyhow. thats like the same as getting nothing for him.

either way, you dont pass up durant for the hope that this or that might happen later. having durant gauranteed, passing on it, and them him going to say LA would be a monumental blunder.

especially when you'd have durant + pure cap space in a year or so and could sign pieces better then lopez/dwill who are younger without injury questions.

Kyrie/Durant/Love?

[Paradise]

if he wanted to go to boston or LA, he would likely just go there isntead of hoping to be bought out or whatever.

No. We would have his bird rights, he can get more here then any other place but that depends on us and him.

not to mention, why is OKC trading durant for an expiring they are just gonna buy out anyhow. thats like the same as getting nothing for him.

I'm pretty sure they would rather get Pierce than keep Perkins or trade for D-Will. They don't have to buy out Pierce either.

either way, you dont pass up durant for the hope that this or that might happen later. having durant gauranteed, passing on it, and them him going to say LA would be a monumental blunder.

especially when you'd have durant + pure cap space in a year or so and could sign pieces better then lopez/dwill who are younger without injury questions.

Kyrie/Durant/Love?

I'm not sure how you see anyone passing up on it, the fact is you go for the best trade in your best interest before completely selling the farm in a trade because if Durant goes down for 20 games, the team is completely screwed. The Knicks taught us that with giving up their entire roster of quality players for Melo and while we would have cap space to get Love or somebody else the next summer, I would still do my best to keep atleast Deron first before committing to that sort of structured trade.

But yeah, Durant/Love would be the ultimate goal. Maybe, hopefully talk them into a LeBron/Wade type of paycut that way you can possibly afford to bring home Joakim Noah or possibly another all-star PG if Deron is traded in that scenario.

Ideally, I would go for a Durant/Love/Noah Big 3.

[N Ireland Nets]

No trade for KD, we wait it out for free agency in 2016.

The key is getting below the tax prior to 2016 to get a clean slate of the repeater tax to allow for a big reload with the likes of KD to compete for another stretch of years.

[Paradise]

No trade for KD, we wait it out for free agency in 2016.

The key is getting below the tax prior to 2016 to get a clean slate of the repeater tax to allow for a big reload with the likes of KD to compete for another stretch of years.

But then again, there is no guarentee he will be a FA. OKC could see signs of him walking and pull a Utah/Denver and begin a trade bidding war.

We have to be ready for anything.

[N Ireland Nets]

No trade for KD, we wait it out for free agency in 2016.

The key is getting below the tax prior to 2016 to get a clean slate of the repeater tax to allow for a big reload with the likes of KD to compete for another stretch of years.

But then again, there is no guarentee he will be a FA. OKC could see signs of him walking and pull a Utah/Denver and begin a trade bidding war.

We have to be ready for anything.

Regardless of where he is traded ala Howard, he's still going to opt out and test free agency in 2016.

OKC won't trade him until they know he won't re-sign with them and by that stage KD will be in control of where he goes due to his impending free agency.

Who is going to give up legit assets for KD even with 1 year left on his deal with free agency looming. It's similar to the Howard trade situation.

[DrazenForThree]

No trade for KD, we wait it out for free agency in 2016.

The key is getting below the tax prior to 2016 to get a clean slate of the repeater tax to allow for a big reload with the likes of KD to compete for another stretch of years.

But then again, there is no guarentee he will be a FA. OKC could see signs of him walking and pull a Utah/Denver and begin a trade bidding war.

We have to be ready for anything.

Regardless of where he is traded ala Howard, he's still going to opt out and test free agency in 2016.

OKC won't trade him until they know he won't re-sign with them and by that stage KD will be in control of where he goes due to his impending free agency.

Who is going to give up legit assets for KD even with 1 year left on his deal with free agency looming. It's similar to the Howard trade situation.

no one would trade for KD without an extension in place.

and im sure if a contender traded for him, he'd sign it. i really cant evision any scenario where he actually hits free agency. for that to happen OKC would have to think they have a GREAT chance to resign him. which i cant see being the case. and they cant let him just walk, he's too good, too young, and they can get too much back in reutrn