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Shaun Livingston

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:43 pm
by Fiktion
With his great attitude, unselfishness, passing ability, and personal story, this guy is fast becoming my favorite player on the team not named Brook Lopez.

And he's getting noticed.

There's a bright spot in Deron Williams' extended preseason absence, a sliver of sunshine that might help ease the Nets' minds somewhat.

It's allowed Shaun Livingston to consistently make people's heads turn in whiplash fashion. He's looked that good.

"He's been awesome," Paul Pierce said. "I knew Shaun has always had potential. I think he's finally back to his full strength, and when you put him around guys, the cast of guys that we have, it only makes him look better. And he's gaining confidence by the day."

Five preseason games into his Nets career, Livingston already seems like a steal as Williams' understudy. With Williams sidelined with a sprained right ankle, Livingston quickly has become one of the team's top distributors, also proving he can score, rebound and defend.

He's had a few nifty dunks, made a handful of eye-popping passes and contorted his 6-7, 175-pound frame in ways that show he's cleared any mental hurdles from that gruesome injury in 2007, when he tore three of four ligaments in his left knee. The Clippers' team physician said it's probably the most serious knee injury one can suffer.

"I'm pushing, man, every day," Livingston said. "You can never stop learning, never stop trying to get better. I'm working. I'm humbled to be here, but at the same time, it's an opportunity and I want to be aggressive . . . My teammates, my coaches, they have confidence in me. So now it's up to me.''

Livingston, 28, has taken a liking to his new coach, Jason Kidd. After a productive 2012-13 campaign with the Cavaliers, Livingston could have returned to Cleveland, and he also fielded offers from Dallas and Utah. But after chatting with Kidd, plus knowing he'd be backing up Williams and helping to lead the second unit, Livingston was sold.

"Absolutely," Livingston said. "Coach Kidd, he brought me in with the faith and confidence, and just the way we think about the game, the way we approach the game. Obviously, I respect his game and everything he's done, and just from a mental standpoint, an IQ standpoint, he understands how I approach the game and what I have to do to continue to play at a high level, because of maybe my lack of athleticism from the injury."

Williams can see Livingston building the necessary cohesion. It takes time for a point guard to learn each player's tendencies, and Livingston is meshing with everyone rapidly.

"We are definitely comfortable with Shaun," Williams said. "I think he's done a great job in preseason, in practice. He's a pass-first point guard who knows how to run the team and take care of the ball, so I think he's perfect for the makeup of this team and he's been doing a great job in my absence."

Though it's been nice sliding into Williams' role temporarily, Livingston is going to be charged with the task of engineering a unit loaded with guys who fully believe they could be starting on one of the other 29 teams. He's excited when he thinks about guiding a group that includes Andrei Kirilenko, Andray Blatche, Jason Terry and Reggie Evans.

"We talked about it coming in with some of the guys," Livingston said. "I mean, I played with Andray. I know Alan Anderson, battled against 'Jet' all those years when he was in Dallas and I was in L.A. Everybody knows A.K. So we've got a lot of guys that can play. Guys know that we can play.

"That's the key. We know we have proven guys. So coming in here at practice, we battle. Guys respect each other, but we respect the game. We play hard. I mean, man, we look at it as an opportunity, but it's exciting also. It's an exciting opportunity. We understand the platform.''


A look back at his pre-injury scouting report.

Livingston’s greatest strength is that he’s a 6-foot-7 true point guard — combining excellent height with a playmaker’s mindset to produce a player who’s been compared to Magic Johnson. Livingston is really a magician with the basketball, possessing stunning court vision and superior ball-handling skills. And unlike most 6-7 guys who can play the point but are really combo guards, he’s a pure point guard with a knack for making his teammates better. In time, he could develop into a taller version of Jason Kidd. Even on defense, his length will allow him to bother smaller point guards with his wingspan.


He is primed for a breakout season with us. I just hope that we find a way to bring him back next year.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:10 pm
by Paradise
Love his attitude. He is a complete breath of fresh air. Billy King snagged another steal.

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Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:16 pm
by DrazenForThree
his game is so smooth. everything seems effortless and he never forces the issue

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:12 am
by Rich Rane
Credit Kidd again for that signing. He had a huge hand in all of the big acquisitions this offseason.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:38 am
by TheMightyHumph
Fiktion wrote:With his great attitude, unselfishness, passing ability, and personal story, this guy is fast becoming my favorite player on the team not named Brook Lopez.

And he's getting noticed.

There's a bright spot in Deron Williams' extended preseason absence, a sliver of sunshine that might help ease the Nets' minds somewhat.

It's allowed Shaun Livingston to consistently make people's heads turn in whiplash fashion. He's looked that good.

"He's been awesome," Paul Pierce said. "I knew Shaun has always had potential. I think he's finally back to his full strength, and when you put him around guys, the cast of guys that we have, it only makes him look better. And he's gaining confidence by the day."

Five preseason games into his Nets career, Livingston already seems like a steal as Williams' understudy. With Williams sidelined with a sprained right ankle, Livingston quickly has become one of the team's top distributors, also proving he can score, rebound and defend.

He's had a few nifty dunks, made a handful of eye-popping passes and contorted his 6-7, 175-pound frame in ways that show he's cleared any mental hurdles from that gruesome injury in 2007, when he tore three of four ligaments in his left knee. The Clippers' team physician said it's probably the most serious knee injury one can suffer.

"I'm pushing, man, every day," Livingston said. "You can never stop learning, never stop trying to get better. I'm working. I'm humbled to be here, but at the same time, it's an opportunity and I want to be aggressive . . . My teammates, my coaches, they have confidence in me. So now it's up to me.''

Livingston, 28, has taken a liking to his new coach, Jason Kidd. After a productive 2012-13 campaign with the Cavaliers, Livingston could have returned to Cleveland, and he also fielded offers from Dallas and Utah. But after chatting with Kidd, plus knowing he'd be backing up Williams and helping to lead the second unit, Livingston was sold.

"Absolutely," Livingston said. "Coach Kidd, he brought me in with the faith and confidence, and just the way we think about the game, the way we approach the game. Obviously, I respect his game and everything he's done, and just from a mental standpoint, an IQ standpoint, he understands how I approach the game and what I have to do to continue to play at a high level, because of maybe my lack of athleticism from the injury."

Williams can see Livingston building the necessary cohesion. It takes time for a point guard to learn each player's tendencies, and Livingston is meshing with everyone rapidly.

"We are definitely comfortable with Shaun," Williams said. "I think he's done a great job in preseason, in practice. He's a pass-first point guard who knows how to run the team and take care of the ball, so I think he's perfect for the makeup of this team and he's been doing a great job in my absence."

Though it's been nice sliding into Williams' role temporarily, Livingston is going to be charged with the task of engineering a unit loaded with guys who fully believe they could be starting on one of the other 29 teams. He's excited when he thinks about guiding a group that includes Andrei Kirilenko, Andray Blatche, Jason Terry and Reggie Evans.

"We talked about it coming in with some of the guys," Livingston said. "I mean, I played with Andray. I know Alan Anderson, battled against 'Jet' all those years when he was in Dallas and I was in L.A. Everybody knows A.K. So we've got a lot of guys that can play. Guys know that we can play.

"That's the key. We know we have proven guys. So coming in here at practice, we battle. Guys respect each other, but we respect the game. We play hard. I mean, man, we look at it as an opportunity, but it's exciting also. It's an exciting opportunity. We understand the platform.''


A look back at his pre-injury scouting report.

Livingston’s greatest strength is that he’s a 6-foot-7 true point guard — combining excellent height with a playmaker’s mindset to produce a player who’s been compared to Magic Johnson. Livingston is really a magician with the basketball, possessing stunning court vision and superior ball-handling skills. And unlike most 6-7 guys who can play the point but are really combo guards, he’s a pure point guard with a knack for making his teammates better. In time, he could develop into a taller version of Jason Kidd. Even on defense, his length will allow him to bother smaller point guards with his wingspan.


He is primed for a breakout season with us. I just hope that we find a way to bring him back next year.


Lotta words after for after seeing him for only preseason games. He does look pretty good.

Still wish Nets would have replaced Tyshawn with Delonte West

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:59 am
by Rich Rane
TheMightyHumph wrote:Still wish Nets would have replaced Tyshawn with Delonte West


Probably trying to keep craziness to a minimum on this team.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:27 am
by DarkXaero
Rich Rane wrote:
TheMightyHumph wrote:Still wish Nets would have replaced Tyshawn with Delonte West


Probably trying to keep craziness to a minimum on this team.
Yea, while Delonte is a very good backup to have, his mental problems are too much for the team to handle.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:02 am
by isekii
DrazenForThree wrote:his game is so smooth. everything seems effortless and he never forces the issue


Livingston = controlled/effortless
Tyshawn = absolute chaos

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:02 am
by isekii
DarkXaero wrote:
Rich Rane wrote:
TheMightyHumph wrote:Still wish Nets would have replaced Tyshawn with Delonte West


Probably trying to keep craziness to a minimum on this team.
Yea, while Delonte is a very good backup to have, his mental problems are too much for the team to handle.


Delmonte would be a nice addition against the heat though

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:36 pm
by TheMightyHumph
Rich Rane wrote:
TheMightyHumph wrote:Still wish Nets would have replaced Tyshawn with Delonte West


Probably trying to keep craziness to a minimum on this team.


I thought the priority was trying to win a Title.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:50 pm
by DrazenForThree
TheMightyHumph wrote:
Rich Rane wrote:
TheMightyHumph wrote:Still wish Nets would have replaced Tyshawn with Delonte West


Probably trying to keep craziness to a minimum on this team.


I thought the priority was trying to win a Title.


it is... which is why we are avoiding destructive personalities and isntead choosing high charecter players and solid team players

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:48 pm
by TheMightyHumph
DrazenForThree wrote:
TheMightyHumph wrote:
Rich Rane wrote:
Probably trying to keep craziness to a minimum on this team.


I thought the priority was trying to win a Title.


it is... which is why we are avoiding destructive personalities and isntead choosing high charecter players and solid team players


And that's Tyshawn ? Nets have a small window. I would have certainly given Delonte a camp invite to check him out.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:26 pm
by Rich Rane
TheMightyHumph wrote:And that's Tyshawn ? Nets have a small window. I would have certainly given Delonte a camp invite to check him out.


Tyshawn isn't a locker room risk. Delonte can be, could be worse without playing time. Simple as that.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:06 pm
by TheMightyHumph
Rich Rane wrote:
TheMightyHumph wrote:And that's Tyshawn ? Nets have a small window. I would have certainly given Delonte a camp invite to check him out.


Tyshawn isn't a locker room risk. Delonte can be, could be worse without playing time. Simple as that.


Not as simple as that. The Nets want to win NOW. Delonte is better than Tyshawn, and was looking for a chance.

A camp invite would have been a smart move.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:10 pm
by Rich Rane
TheMightyHumph wrote:Not as simple as that. The Nets want to win NOW. Delonte is better than Tyshawn, and was looking for a chance.

A camp invite would have been a smart move.


Delonte West is playing in China. Neither the Nets nor the 29 other NBA teams wanted him on their roster this season. I'm not going to lose sleep over the Nets not giving him a camp invite to compete for the third string PG spot.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:59 am
by TheMightyHumph
Rich Rane wrote:
TheMightyHumph wrote:Not as simple as that. The Nets want to win NOW. Delonte is better than Tyshawn, and was looking for a chance.

A camp invite would have been a smart move.


Delonte West is playing in China. Neither the Nets nor the 29 other NBA teams wanted him on their roster this season. I'm not going to lose sleep over the Nets not giving him a camp invite to compete for the third string PG spot.


I ain't losing sleep either.

But a camp invite for Delonte would have been a good idea, especially considering Tyshawn's disappointing play last season.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:18 am
by Rich Rane
TheMightyHumph wrote:I ain't losing sleep either.

But a camp invite for Delonte would have been a good idea, especially considering Tyshawn's disappointing play last season.


And if he somehow was picked over Taylor? What happens if West complains about playing time (He'll be behind Deron/Livingston/and at times Terry) or is involved in something off the court? The Nets will end up cutting him (he's not going to the D-League) and it'll be a waste of everyone's time. It's honestly not even worth a shot at this point.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:00 am
by TheMightyHumph
Rich Rane wrote:
TheMightyHumph wrote:I ain't losing sleep either.

But a camp invite for Delonte would have been a good idea, especially considering Tyshawn's disappointing play last season.


And if he somehow was picked over Taylor? What happens if West complains about playing time (He'll be behind Deron/Livingston/and at times Terry) or is involved in something off the court? The Nets will end up cutting him (he's not going to the D-League) and it'll be a waste of everyone's time. It's honestly not even worth a shot at this point.


All that would be why you invite him to camp.

You see what his attitude is, if he can play, if he is willing to play limited minutes.

Between Kidd, Frank, and the veteran players, Nets would make the call whether Delonte is up for it or not.

Now, there is no choice. There is only Taylor.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:00 am
by jeff1624
I like Delonte West, but I wouldn't play him over Deron, Livingston, Terry or Joe. Where was he gonna play? Not worth the risk.

Re: Shaun Livingston

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:07 am
by TheMightyHumph
jeff1624 wrote:I like Delonte West, but I wouldn't play him over Deron, Livingston, Terry or Joe. Where was he gonna play? Not worth the risk.


He would have been trying to beat out Tyshawn for the 3rd PG slot.