Trade Dwill

Sharcm1 · Post #1 » by **Sharcm1** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 1:13 pm

I honestly think the nets are a better team without him. since he has come back they have not looked like the same team. Yes they beat the knicks, magic, mavs, and celtics since he has returned to the line-up but he has only looked good in two of those games and the team has not looked good in the last three. The nets only beat the mavs because mirza caught fire. beat the celtics and magic because of blatche and the knicks are just pathetic. The raptors game and the thunder last night show everything we need to know. Dwill does not fit in with this team.

The nets couldn't score the last two games. they were having great difficulty stopping the guards from penetrating and every time a guard got into the paint it seems like dwill was involved in a pick and roll and didn't recover to his man. I see far too often when there is a pick and roll break down defensively the other player looks at dwill like he didn't talk to him. pierce did it tons of times in the raptors loss.

And JJ has not been the same since dwill came back. he has disappeared again. their games just don't fit.

Offensively when the nets aren't hitting open shots dwill tries to do everything himself and can't most of the time. he has horrible turnovers constantly. and I'm not talking kidd like turnovers where the play was the right play and the other player didn't cut. I'm talking about lazy turnovers. dribbling up the court and losing the ball for no reason.

Don't get me wrong I think dwill is a very good player, but he has not been a very good player for the nets. Since he has been a net he just hasn't been the same player he was in utah. It's like he doesn't try as hard, doesn't give the same intensity. I think this team is better without him.

Post your trade suggestions here.

Sharcm1 · Post #2 » by **Sharcm1** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 1:35 pm

nets breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +16.8 ppg, +2.5 rpg, and +1.5 apg.

Incoming Players
Kyrie Irving
Earl Clark
John Salmons
Tyler Hansbrough

outgoing players
Deron Williams
Reggie Evans
Mason Plumlee
and draft rights to bojan bodanovic

Cleveland Cavaliers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +0.5 ppg, +5.7 rpg, and +5.8 apg.
Incoming Players
Reggie Evans
Kyle Lowry
Greivis Vasquez
and first round pick from the raptors

Outgoing Players
Kyrie Irving
Earl Clark

Toronto Raptors Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -17.3 ppg, -8.2 rpg, and -7.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Deron Williams
Mason Plumlee
and draft rights to bodanovic

Outgoing Players
John Salmons
Kyle Lowry
Tyler Hansbrough
Greivis Vasquez
and first round pick

Prokorov · Post #3 » by **Prokorov** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 3:03 pm

Yes, he needs to go. even if we arent better without him, are we really much worse? i mean we arent even a .500 team. And even if we reach our ceiling with him, we will never be a contender with him as our best player. You simply wont win big in this league if your best player isnt a competitive/prideful player or a star.

He is super inconsistent, his body langauge is awful the first sign of anything going bad, and he doesnt mesh with alot of out other playes(JJ for example).

On top of that, even just moving him for pure expirings benefits us, clearing the cap in 2016 and putting us under the tax in 2015 so we could do sign and trades the year before all those big names become FAs.

i really dont see the downside. we keep losing? we get bounced in the first round? Dwill has been a disaster from day 1. underachieved massively, didnt nut up in the playoffs against a team he should have destroyed, has been a complete diva, and hasnt stayed healthy.

there is no way he could ever get back on my good side. most ive ever hated a nets player. guy can go kick rocks

MrDollarBills · Post #4 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 4:48 pm

This team has gone to hell since his return. The spark we had previously with him out is gone

He, and his lap dog King need to go. NOW.

Keith Van Horn · Post #5 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 4:55 pm

If we trade Deron, then we keep Lopez and get a PG better suited for him.

But I'm not ready to pull the trigger yet on him. I still think he's not reaching his true potential with this team, like he did post ASG last year. Keep him at least through the season.

I want to root for Deron so badly. :oops:

Hello Brooklyn · Post #6 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 5:05 pm

Nobody wants him. Even the Lin/Asik deal is off the table.

The sad part is Deron is still the best player on the team by far, when hes playing well. But in his entire tenure here, he has only done that for half of a season.

Ive given up on him. If we can get some young players and draft picks, lets do it.

Albanian Damien · Post #7 » by **Albanian Damien** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 5:28 pm

What are you guys thoughts on Josh Smith of the Pistons?? I know he's a chuck on that team but that's because he's playing out of position at SF. If he came here he'd be a PF and instantly make the team more athletic and tougher defensively. Not to mention rebounding (o god). HIm and KG would be a really formidable frontcourt.. And we could easily get him for the low. I think he would probably chuck less on this team since this is a team full of vets.

Keith Van Horn · Post #8 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 5:49 pm

Albanian Damien wrote:What are you guys thoughts on Josh Smith of the Pistons?? I know he's a chuck on that team but that's because he's playing out of position at SF. If he came here he'd be a PF and instantly make the team more athletic and tougher defensively. Not to mention rebounding (o god). HIm and KG would be a really formidable frontcourt.. And we could easily get him for the low. I think he would probably chuck less on this team since this is a team full of vets.

It would have to be something like Smith/Bynum for Williams. Move Livingston as a full time starter and sign him to longer term deal next year. Pistons would then go Williams/Jennings backcourt.

IDK, not ready to give up yet on the guy. Like HB said, he's our best player still but he's playing like trash and like he's our 5th option. I still want to give him time and change the circumstances.

Put him with the starters, and he needs to be the 1B option on offense. Continue to let Livingston play next to him to help on defense, move Anderson to the bench and start playing Teague instead of Terry with the reserves.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #9 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 6:20 pm

No way so I want that chucker even near this team. Josh Smith is terrible.

Post #10 » by **CalamityX12** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 7:02 pm

Dwill has been bad this week.... kind of depressing and a letdown.....

Still holding out for his all star play.... again.....

Prokorov · Post #11 » by **Prokorov** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 7:31 pm

macgyver893 wrote:If we trade Deron, then we keep Lopez and get a PG better suited for him.

But I'm not ready to pull the trigger yet on him. I still think he's not reaching his true potential with this team, like he did post ASG last year. Keep him at least through the season.

I want to root for Deron so badly.

there is zero reason to keep lopez if we trade williams. we'd be better off moving his salary and getting under the cap/tax earlier and gaining flexibility. Lopez suffers from the same thing dwill does:

-major injury questions
-lack of competitiveness
-lack of consistency
-defensive issues.

you dont win with guys like lopez making the max and being your best player. move on. get some picks and cap room. go all in on 2016

Prokorov · Post #12 » by **Prokorov** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 7:32 pm

Albanian Damien wrote:What are you guys thoughts on Josh Smith of the Pistons?? I know he's a chuck on that team but that's because he's playing out of position at SF. If he came here he'd be a PF and instantly make the team more athletic and tougher defensively. Not to mention rebounding (o god). HIm and KG would be a really formidable frontcourt.. And we could easily get him for the low. I think he would probably chuck less on this team since this is a team full of vets.

how exactly do we get him?

if its dwill for smith id make that swap. do they?

Paradise · Post #13 » by **Paradise** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 8:08 pm

Nobody is taking D-Won't off our hands. The only way someone takes him is if we give up assets.

And Smith for Deron makes little sense. I believe it screws up our 2016 plan as well.

Get used to him being here unless Morey is drunk dials Billy for that Asik/Lin deal.

Prokorov · Post #14 » by **Prokorov** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 9:00 pm

Paradise wrote:Nobody is taking D-Won't off our hands. The only way someone takes him is if we give up assets.

And Smith for Deron makes little sense. I believe it screws up our 2016 plan as well.

Get used to him being here unless Morey is drunk dials Billy for that Asik/Lin deal.

smith for dwill would give us an extra 9-10 million in 2016.

smith is owed 14M a year and expires the same time as dwill

DarkXaero · Post #15 » by **DarkXaero** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 9:18 pm

No point in trading D Will when his trade value is at rock bottom. He'll have a good stretch again, and that's when you have to think about it.

Paradise · Post #16 » by **Paradise** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 9:42 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Paradise wrote:Nobody is taking D-Won't off our hands. The only way someone takes him is if we give up assets.

And Smith for Deron makes little sense. I believe it screws up our 2016 plan as well.

Get used to him being here unless Morey is drunk dials Billy for that Asik/Lin deal.

smith for dwill would give us an extra 9-10 million in 2016.

smith is owed 14M a year and expires the same time as dwill

Actually, he doesn't become an UFA until 2017-18 which is the same year Deron officially off the books. So, we don't exactly fix anything except lowering salary which is good.

De8 · Post #17 » by **De8** » Sun Feb 2, 2014 9:20 pm

yea kyrie iriving is gonna lead us to the promised land
or maybe mike conley
or maybe reicky rubio
hell maybe even ray felton
hell lets just try to take any pg and he will be better than dwill!!

therealbig3 · Post #18 » by **therealbig3** » Sun Feb 2, 2014 9:54 pm

De8 wrote:yea kyrie iriving is gonna lead us to the promised land
or maybe mike conley
or maybe reicky rubio
hell maybe even ray felton
hell lets just try to take any pg and he will be better than dwill!!

Meh, it's not like Deron is playing much better than any of those guys.

I just want a PG who is aggressive and puts his mark on a game and actually gives effort on both sides of the ball.

I think Jeremy Lin gets a lot of undeserved flack...he's a very good PG. Good vision, good passer, unselfish, high IQ...very good dribble penetrator, which does create a lot of offensive opportunities. He's an aggressive offensive player. Decent shooter, decent athlete, and he's a very good defender. And he consistently gives 100% effort and always looks to attack a defense.

Even if he doesn't have Deron's talent, a PG like that is someone I would MUCH rather have over Deron, because not only is it a PG I can actually root for, it's a PG that's flat out better than what Deron is currently providing.

halfHAVOC · Post #19 » by **halfHAVOC** » Sun Feb 2, 2014 10:09 pm

rather have kyle lowry than dwill right now. dwill is just going through the freaking motions its so annoying

LOUiS-D · Post #20 » by **LOUiS-D** » Mon Feb 3, 2014 1:47 am

give a guy a chance to return... shiiiit. Yeah we lost a few games. 2 of them by a point and to the 3 hottest teams in the NBA. People are talking like the Toronto loss is triggering a downward spiral.

The reality is that we have 3 guys in Deron, Joe and Paul who can go off with the ball in their hand. 4 guys when Lopez was in the line up. Most people will leap up and say that's a massive problem and we need fewer ball dominant guys. If these player's had attitude problems I'd agree, but they all seem willing to defer. Which is actually pretty great. They just need more time to work out. You can't just trade out DWill and expect that problem to go away, particularly for a guy like Lowry who's getting 90 touches a night (ranked 4th in the NBA).

What needs to be worked out is: where, when, and how many shots does each scorer get against a team on any given night. Too much freelance and you get guys jacking up shots, not knowing when they're going to get the ball next.