Sacramento buying out Fredette

NetsWorld · Post #1 » by **NetsWorld** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:50 pm

I do not understand why Sacramento is doing this. They just only recently drafted him two years ago and are about to get rid of him. He's only 25 and is another young piece the Nets could potentially utilize. It's no longer about just chasing stars but building young raw talent into stars. Thornton and Fredette would be a major improvement from Terry/Evans.

Prokorov · Post #2 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:19 pm

BklynNets wrote:I do not understand why Sacramento is doing this. They just only recently drafted him two years ago and are about to get rid of him. He's only 25 and is another young piece the Nets could potentially utilize. It's no longer about just chasing stars but building young raw talent into stars. Thornton and Fredette would be a major improvement from Terry/Evans.

25 isnt all that young in terms of developement, if your 25 and havent shown signs of improvement its usually a bad sign. he doesnt really do much well other then shoot, which has hasnt done all that well at this level.

as far as were concerned, the last thing we need as another gaurd. Dwill, livingston, Jj, Anderson, Thornton...

therealbig3 · Post #3 » by **therealbig3** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:57 pm

Prokorov wrote:
BklynNets wrote:I do not understand why Sacramento is doing this. They just only recently drafted him two years ago and are about to get rid of him. He's only 25 and is another young piece the Nets could potentially utilize. It's no longer about just chasing stars but building young raw talent into stars. Thornton and Fredette would be a major improvement from Terry/Evans.

25 isnt all that young in terms of developement, if your 25 and havent shown signs of improvement its usually a bad sign. he doesnt really do much well other then shoot, which has hasnt done all that well at this level.

as far as were concerned, the last thing we need as another gaurd. Dwill, livingston, Jj, Anderson, Thornton...

I kind of agree with you that Fredette isn't really that good, but he's a 49% 3pt shooter this season. 42% the year before, and 36% the year before that. For his career, 40%.

NetsWorld · Post #4 » by **NetsWorld** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:35 pm

Mr. Prokorov, 25 is still young and Fredette can atleast turn into a productive NBA player or even turn into a gem type player for the Nets. Look at Indiana as a prime example. Indiana is the team it is today due to the fact the coaching staff really helped develop those young players. Lance Stephenson was a second rounder I believe in the mid 30th's. You wouldn't think he would be the player he is today. The Nets have to capitalize on young talent when available. Thornton is a good first step and he could definitely turn into 12 ppg player for the Nets off the bench if developed properly. Nobody thought Blatche would provide as much as he did his first season, although he is a little boneheaded making decisions on the court. Fredette would be insurance as well in case Livingston decides to leave, which he may since he has not since a big pay day. A mixture of youth with veterans does not at all hurt. I would really like a Thad Young type player but the Sixers do not want to get rid of him just yet. I guess they feel better offers will arise on draft night.

624 · Post #5 » by **624** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:15 pm

Wait seriously?

Prokorov · Post #6 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:17 pm

BklynNets wrote:Mr. Prokorov, 25 is still young and Fredette can atleast turn into a productive NBA player or even turn into a gem type player for the Nets. Look at Indiana as a prime example. Indiana is the team it is today due to the fact the coaching staff really helped develop those young players. Lance Stephenson was a second rounder I believe in the mid 30th's. You wouldn't think he would be the player he is today. The Nets have to capitalize on young talent when available. Thornton is a good first step and he could definitely turn into 12 ppg player for the Nets off the bench if developed properly. Nobody thought Blatche would provide as much as he did his first season, although he is a little boneheaded making decisions on the court. Fredette would be insurance as well in case Livingston decides to leave, which he may since he has not since a big pay day. A mixture of youth with veterans does not at all hurt. I would really like a Thad Young type player but the Sixers do not want to get rid of him just yet. I guess they feel better offers will arise on draft night.

Lance stephenson is 23 and showed great promise very early on (11/6/5 as a rookie - near allstar this season)

Andray blatche was a 18/7 player with the wizards, and a guy who came right from high school

Marcus thornton has been a 19 point per game scorer in this league

All 3 of those guys showed improvement and showed production before the age of 25. i dont see how you can compare that at all to Jimmer. Jimmerhas not progressed or shown any promise of being a solid pro. this after 4 years of college and in his 3rd year in the NBA. it is highly unlikely he will get any better. it would be a poor move to invest in him -- were better off investing in a young player with upside.

you dont waste your time with guys like jimmer or marshon brooks. older players who have super low ceilings and likely are as good as they are going to get

NetsWorld · Post #7 » by **NetsWorld** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:51 pm

Jimmer has only been in the league for two years! Even though he came in at 23, he's still young,

Jersey Generals · Post #8 » by **Jersey Generals** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:13 pm

Stephenson was a second round pick because of character issues, like when he pushed his girlfriend down a flight of stairs two months after being drafted, not because of talent. If he didn't have character issues, he would have been a lotto pick.

DarkXaero · Post #9 » by **DarkXaero** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:16 pm

Jersey Generals wrote:Stephenson was a second round pick because of character issues, like when he pushed his girlfriend down a flight of stairs two months after being drafted, not because of talent. If he didn't have character issues, he would have been a lotto pick.

It wasn't just that, he also played way out of control (still does but has made major strides)

Prokorov · Post #10 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:46 pm

DarkXaero wrote:
Jersey Generals wrote:Stephenson was a second round pick because of character issues, like when he pushed his girlfriend down a flight of stairs two months after being drafted, not because of talent. If he didn't have character issues, he would have been a lotto pick.
It wasn't just that, he also played way out of control (still does but has made major strides)

its irrelevant. you simply can not compare jimmer to Stephenson.

one guy is 23 years old and showed on court production his rookie year as a 20 year old and has progressed every year since.

the other guy is 25 and has been on the same level all 3 years showing no promise or increase in production.

DarkXaero · Post #11 » by **DarkXaero** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:00 pm

Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
Jersey Generals wrote:Stephenson was a second round pick because of character issues, like when he pushed his girlfriend down a flight of stairs two months after being drafted, not because of talent. If he didn't have character issues, he would have been a lotto pick.
It wasn't just that, he also played way out of control (still does but has made major strides)

its irrelevant. you simply can not compare jimmer to Stephenson.

one guy is 23 years old and showed on court production his rookie year as a 20 year old and has progressed every year since.

the other guy is 25 and has been on the same level all 3 years showing no promise or increase in production.

No idea what you're talking about, Lance Stephenson was especially dreadful his first two years. As for Jimmer, his FG% has increased every year significantly, so I don't know how he hasn't shown any signs of improvement. His raw stats are actually quite good; 47.5% from the field, 49.3% from 3 pt, a PER of 16.5.

Prokorov · Post #12 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:32 pm

DarkXaero wrote:No idea what you're talking about, Lance Stephenson was especially dreadful his first two years. As for Jimmer, his FG% has increased every year significantly, so I don't know how he hasn't shown any signs of improvement. His raw stats are actually quite good; 47.5% from the field, 49.3% from 3 pt, a PER of 16.5.

Stephenson was 20 years old when he came in and showed tons of skill and promise in the little time he saw. by age 22 he was a solid rotational player, and at 23 was an all-star snub with tons of upside still

im not sure how you can compare that to jimmer, who has seen his minutes per game shrink every season, and who is 25 and shown no signs of improvement. going by his shooting stats is misleading, since he is shooting 1/2 as many shots now as he did his rookie year. shooting half as much with better percentages when you were already low volume isnt a sign of improvement.

other then going 1-2 from three point range every other night what does he really bring? he doesnt pass, he doesnt create offense, he sturggles to get his shot off vs bigger players, he cant defend either gaurd spot, he lacks athlecisim, he has a low bbiq, and he doesnt play with a high motor. and at 25 none of that is likely to change much.....

he is alot more like marshon brook... his game is defined, he is older, and he isnt getting better

DarkXaero · Post #13 » by **DarkXaero** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:39 pm

I'm not comparing him to Jimmer, I'm just saying that don't say false things like Stephenson was good from his rookie year. He wasn't, it took him a long time to develop, he was pretty awful when he started in the NBA.

47.5% FG% and 49.5% 3 pt % is great, no matter how low the volume is. He's a great shooter, that's what he brings. And if you actually look at the Kings board, they aren't happy to see him go and they definitely don't think he's gone because he "sucks". It seems to be a mutual decision for the Kings and Fredette. I trust Kings fans' opinion on Fredette more than yours.

Post #14 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:54 pm

If we didn't have Thornton, I'd contemplate giving Jimmer a look. But I wouldn't want him as the last open spot on the roster.

He needs to have the ball in his hands in order to be effective but he doesn't have the handle to be a 15+ mpg and he's too small to be a 20+ mpg SG.

I'd basically have him in an Eddie House type of role. Come in to bomb away 3s and that's it. Maybe make sure Mirza is out there too just so the defense doesn't load up on him alone.

However, we have more important roles to fill (especially with the 2nd unit defense) that I'd prefer to fill before we get another scorer.

Prokorov · Post #15 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:49 pm

DarkXaero wrote:I'm not comparing him to Jimmer, I'm just saying that don't say false things like Stephenson was good from his rookie year. He wasn't, it took him a long time to develop, he was pretty awful when he started in the NBA.

47.5% FG% and 49.5% 3 pt % is great, no matter how low the volume is. He's a great shooter, that's what he brings. And if you actually look at the Kings board, they aren't happy to see him go and they definitely don't think he's gone because he "sucks". It seems to be a mutual decision for the Kings and Fredette. I trust Kings fans' opinion on Fredette more than yours.

you didnt... other people in this thread did, and its a riddiculous comparison.

fridette is what he is and wont get much better. i dont care what kings fans think. there were nets fans here pissed we traded brooks and swore we'd be sorry for it. thats what fans do, overhype their younger guys

Paradise · Post #16 » by **Paradise** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:44 pm

Jimmer has only been the league for 3 seasons. His career trajectory is looking alot like JJ Reddick.

Reddick's 1st season: 41% FG, 38% 3pt in 14.8 minutes.

Jimmer's 1st season: 38% FG, 36% 3pt in 18.6 minutes/42 games.

Reddick's 2nd season: 44% FG, 39% 3pt in 8.1 minutes/34 games.

Jimmer's 2nd season: 42% FG, 41% 3pt in 14 minutes/69 games.

Reddick's 3rd season: 39% FG, 37% 3pt in 17 minutes/64 games.

Jimmer's 3rd season: 47% FG, 49% 3pt in 11.3 minutes/41 games.

I would love to take a chance on him with him playing SG instead of PG because he isn't a Point Guard. The Kings were expecting him to be a Stephen Curry clone when he is more like Jason Terry.

Prokorov · Post #17 » by **Prokorov** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:20 am

Paradise wrote:Jimmer has only been the league for 3 seasons. His career trajectory is looking alot like JJ Reddick.

Reddick's 1st season: 41% FG, 38% 3pt in 14.8 minutes.

Jimmer's 1st season: 38% FG, 36% 3pt in 18.6 minutes/42 games.

Reddick's 2nd season: 44% FG, 39% 3pt in 8.1 minutes/34 games.

Jimmer's 2nd season: 42% FG, 41% 3pt in 14 minutes/69 games.

Reddick's 3rd season: 39% FG, 37% 3pt in 17 minutes/64 games.

Jimmer's 3rd season: 47% FG, 49% 3pt in 11.3 minutes/41 games.

I would love to take a chance on him with him playing SG instead of PG because he isn't a Point Guard. The Kings were expecting him to be a Stephen Curry clone when he is more like Jason Terry.

you cant just compare shooting percentages. hell steve kerr looks alot like reggie miller if you just compare shooting percenteges.

your ignoring like 90% of the game

DarkXaero · Post #18 » by **DarkXaero** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:26 am

Reddick is a good comparison for Fredette, position and size aside.

DarkXaero · Post #19 » by **DarkXaero** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:26 am

Prokorov wrote:
Paradise wrote:Jimmer has only been the league for 3 seasons. His career trajectory is looking alot like JJ Reddick.

Reddick's 1st season: 41% FG, 38% 3pt in 14.8 minutes.

Jimmer's 1st season: 38% FG, 36% 3pt in 18.6 minutes/42 games.

Reddick's 2nd season: 44% FG, 39% 3pt in 8.1 minutes/34 games.

Jimmer's 2nd season: 42% FG, 41% 3pt in 14 minutes/69 games.

Reddick's 3rd season: 39% FG, 37% 3pt in 17 minutes/64 games.

Jimmer's 3rd season: 47% FG, 49% 3pt in 11.3 minutes/41 games.

I would love to take a chance on him with him playing SG instead of PG because he isn't a Point Guard. The Kings were expecting him to be a Stephen Curry clone when he is more like Jason Terry.

you cant just compare shooting percentages. hell steve kerr looks alot like reggie miller if you just compare shooting percenteges.

your ignoring like 90% of the game

It's JJ Reddick, not Reggie Miller ffs.

Paradise · Post #20 » by **Paradise** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:54 am

Prokorov wrote:
Paradise wrote:Jimmer has only been the league for 3 seasons. His career trajectory is looking alot like JJ Reddick.

Reddick's 1st season: 41% FG, 38% 3pt in 14.8 minutes.

Jimmer's 1st season: 38% FG, 36% 3pt in 18.6 minutes/42 games.

Reddick's 2nd season: 44% FG, 39% 3pt in 8.1 minutes/34 games.

Jimmer's 2nd season: 42% FG, 41% 3pt in 14 minutes/69 games.

Reddick's 3rd season: 39% FG, 37% 3pt in 17 minutes/64 games.

Jimmer's 3rd season: 47% FG, 49% 3pt in 11.3 minutes/41 games.

I would love to take a chance on him with him playing SG instead of PG because he isn't a Point Guard. The Kings were expecting him to be a Stephen Curry clone when he is more like Jason Terry.

you cant just compare shooting percentages. hell steve kerr looks alot like reggie miller if you just compare shooting percenteges.

your ignoring like 90% of the game

Two guys that were superstars in college at shooting and were seen as NBA busts when they entered the league who both played out of position in their rookie seasons.

Nothing comparable at all >_>