Mirza teletovic since feburary 1

[Prokorov]

15 games
82 Ortg
37.1% FG
30.8% 3pt
43% TS

+/- of -10 or more in 13 of 15 games including -24 last night

guy has been killing us lately, and it hurt even more now that we dont have any other option at PF once pierce sits down. you can talk about backup Center or 3rd string PG all you want but backup PF is really whats killing us.

Mirza's effort on the glass has been terrible, and he has always been really bad defensively from a team standpoint being in the wrong spots.

[WhateverBro]

Yeah, he's in a big time slump but I'm not particularly worried. His shot is just not falling, that will not go on for the rest of this season. We saw the same thing with KG early in the season, these things kinda evens out in the end.

[NyCeEvO]

I don't equate KG's slump to the start of the season to Mirza's slump.

KG just needed time to warm up for the season and once he did, everyone stopped complaining and started seeing the KG we thought we traded for.

Mirza is just a flat out streaky shooter. However, the problem with him is that he needs to bring it on the defensive end as well. If he's bricking shots and playing poor defense, he's really of no value out there. I'm pretty sure he can understand why Kidd would bench him in those instances. He's just not performing well.

[Prokorov]

Yeah, he's in a big time slump but I'm not particularly worried. His shot is just not falling, that will not go on for the rest of this season. We saw the same thing with KG early in the season, these things kinda evens out in the end.

KG is a poor comparison. he shoots an extremely low volume of shots and is more susceptable to streaks one way or another due to small sample. mirza shoots more in less minutes, and unlike garnett is a guy who looks to score.

also, i wouldnt call 6 weeks a slump. and it goes beyond just the shooting... its just more appearant when he isnt scoring. but his defense, rebounding, IQ, positioning, and effort have all be REALLY bad.

he really has only been good for one 17 game stretch between december in january and has been pretty putried the rest of the year.

[Prokorov]

I don't equate KG's slump to the start of the season to Mirza's slump.

KG just needed time to warm up for the season and once he did, everyone stopped complaining and started seeing the KG we thought we traded for.

Mirza is just a flat out streaky shooter. However, the problem with him is that he needs to bring it on the defensive end as well. If he's bricking shots and playing poor defense, he's really of no value out there. I'm pretty sure he can understand why Kidd would bench him in those instances. He's just not performing well.

i think its a degree further then not playing well. he is playing really poor.

i realize thats tied in to some of the guys he has played with but watching the games he has been more part of the problem then part of the solution. his defense hasnt just been poor, its led to break downs and easy points. his efforts on the glass havent just been poor its led to secnd chance points.

there are isntances where you play poor and it doesnt have a big negative impact... like a shooting slump usually wont hurt the team that bad. but his defense and rebounding are having a big negative impact imo

[kerry kittles]

Back when his shot was falling I saw him rebounding better, playing better defense, playing with greater energy and effort overall. Now that his shot isn't falling he doesn't give two **** about those things.

It would've been nice to get Jordan Hill

[Prokorov]

Back when his shot was falling I saw him rebounding better, playing better defense, playing with greater energy and effort overall. Now that his shot isn't falling he doesn't give two **** about those things.

It would've been nice to get Jordan Hill

or BBD or just any other option at PF.

right now our PF rotation is:

Pierce, Mirza

a SF playing in a small ball lineup and a 1 trick pony who kills you if he isnt red hot from 3.

i wouldnt mind kidd using blatche some at PF. normally i hate blatche at the PF cause it enables him to do the stuff that highlights his flaws... but in this situation mirza already isnt playing D or rebounding and it also gets plumlee more minutes, which seems to be a good thing(i was off on that one)

[MGrand15]

Mirza'll be fine. Even if his shot isn't falling at a 42% clip like it was before, a stretch 4 that can pass and plays hard is helpful to us in 10-15 minute spurts. His slump isn't nearly as long as you're making it out to be nor has he been as PUTRID as you claim. He's definitely had some terrible games but he's also had a lot of decent/average ones and a couple of good ones as well.

Teams aren't leaving him as open as before - so it's up to the players to take advantage of the extra driving lanes or to find him faster when he's open. Mirza needs to step it up as well. Respond to the scouting and play more solid D, with much less fouling. His confidence is clearly down but I think Kidd will let him play it out. Which is the right move.

[Prokorov]

Mirza'll be fine. Even if his shot isn't falling at a 42% clip like it was before, a stretch 4 that can pass and plays hard is helpful to us in 10-15 minute spurts. His slump isn't nearly as long as you're making it out to be nor has he been as PUTRID as you claim. He's definitely had some terrible games but he's also had a lot of decent/average ones and a couple of good ones as well.

Well, for one, a stretch 4 isnt super useful if he isnt playing defense or rebounding at an acceptable rate(thats putting it nicely) and the need for a stretch 4 is minimize on a unit with blatche at the 5 and 2 or 3 other 3 point shooters on the floor in thornton, anderson and JJ or dwill whoever is held over from that first unit.

Floor spacing is critical when you have a PG who doesnt shoot from range or a center who does all his work in the paint. like if you have a rondo or dwight howard on your team. its not really important when you have centers who can shoot and great three point shooting at PG/SG/SF

also, he has been as bad as i claim. if you go game by game since 2/1/14 you will see that he has played poorly in almost every game during that span. further, he hasnt passed well or played hard... and we dont need him for 10-15 minutes, we need im for 20 or more minutes.

Teams aren't leaving him as open as before - so it's up to the players to take advantage of the extra driving lanes or to find him faster when he's open. Mirza needs to step it up as well. Respond to the scouting and play more solid D, with much less fouling. His confidence is clearly down but I think Kidd will let him play it out. Which is the right move.

i would completely disagree. he is getting tons of wide open looks. but the missing shots isnt even that big a deal, thats whatever. its the defense, rebounding, effort, and turnovers that are more alarming.

but to say he isnt being left open... i mean hell man 75% of his looks there is no one near him

[MGrand15]

You think he shot 42% up until Feb. and teams were still going to leave him open like before?

He's getting some open looks but definitely not like before. He's pulling the trigger on a lot of contested shots man. NBA defenses adjust to good shooters. We were all pining for him to be in the 3pt shootout but you think NBA teams don't respect his jump shot? Pay attention to his PnPs. Teams are switching them or sticking to Mirza and having the guard fight over the screen. A lot more of his 3s recently have been with someone in his face.

Floor spacing is DEFINITELY still critical because he plays a lot of his minutes with AK47 who can't shoot and occasionally with Shaun Livingston (or even Jason Collins now lol). He's not really out there playing with the starting lineup.

I think he's contributing more than you're giving him credit for. You're going to disagree but the stuff you're saying is the type of exaggeration that glued him to the bench in favor of Reggie Evans last year. Overly picking on his mistakes - ignoring the helpful things. I understand. When he goes 0-5 from 3 it looks bad. When he commits stupid fouls, it looks bad. When he gives up offensive rebounds, it stands out. I still think he does good things out there.

I think he'll be fine in the long run. He's a streaky shooter but he has a history of being a really good shooter. I'm not worried - but then again, I'm never as worried as you are, Prok.

[Prokorov]

You think he shot 42% up until Feb. and teams were still going to leave him open like before?

He's getting some open looks but definitely not like before. He's pulling the trigger on a lot of contested shots man. NBA defenses adjust to good shooters. We were all pining for him to be in the 3pt shootout but you think NBA teams don't respect his jump shot? Pay attention to his PnPs. Teams are switching them or sticking to Mirza and having the guard fight over the screen. A lot more of his 3s recently have been with someone in his face.

his shots are no more contested now then they have been all game. just look at last night, all his looks where wide open. almost every shot he takes is uncontested. maybe teams are playing the pick and pop more, but overall he is still getting tons of open looks, and the majority of his shots are wide open. im not sure how this can be debated, the footage is there and we all watched the games

Floor spacing is DEFINITELY still critical because he plays a lot of his minutes with AK47 who can't shoot and occasionally with Shaun Livingston (or even Jason Collins now lol). He's not really out there playing with the starting lineup.

he is on the floor mostly with blatche and at least 2 other outside shooters. spacing isnt an issue. also, guys like livingston and kirilenko, while not 3 point threats, dont hurt spacing all that much because of their ability to move without the ball, cut, and in livingstons case drive the ball to the basket.

I think he's contributing more than you're giving him credit for. You're going to disagree but the stuff you're saying is the type of exaggeration that glued him to the bench in favor of Reggie Evans last year. Overly picking on his mistakes - ignoring the helpful things. I understand. When he goes 0-5 from 3 it looks bad. When he commits stupid fouls, it looks bad. When he gives up offensive rebounds, it stands out. I still think he does good things out there.

the problem is the stuff that "looks bad" are the things that happen constantly. and the positives things are really inconsistent.

I think he'll be fine in the long run. He's a streaky shooter but he has a history of being a really good shooter. I'm not worried - but then again, I'm never as worried as you are, Prok.

again its not about hitting shots. its about not being a detriment in every other facet of the game.

[therealbig3]

I think Mirza's struggles should make us start using Kirilenko at PF more tbh. It's true, outside of Pierce and Mirza, who are our PFs? Plumlee and Blatche are Cs, especially with KG sitting out these last few games.

I kind of wish we traded a 2nd rounder for Jordan Hill. I get that we want to keep our draft picks. But Jordan Hill would have been perfect for this team.

[Keith Van Horn]

It would be nice to have another guy like Jordan Hill, who is more of your prototypical power forward. I think that's the kind of guy that would do better next to Blatche. When Blatche's defense is getting shredded up, Hill would be better than Mirza.

I would like to see Mirza stay with the Nets. I think he's a solid piece and when he's on fire, he can be a true X factor in any game. 15-20 minutes a night, shooter and energy guy who can still run on a break. I don't think he should be a starter ever really, but he can be a great offensive threat off the bench always.

[F3LON]

15 games
82 Ortg
37.1% FG
30.8% 3pt
43% TS

+/- of -10 or more in 13 of 15 games including -24 last night

guy has been killing us lately, and it hurt even more now that we dont have any other option at PF once pierce sits down. you can talk about backup Center or 3rd string PG all you want but backup PF is really whats killing us.

Mirza's effort on the glass has been terrible, and he has always been really bad defensively from a team standpoint being in the wrong spots.

90% of his time in the NBA he has played to these numbers. He had a good 4-6 week period and that's about it.

[MrDollarBills]

Dude has been awful. Not really much reason to put him on the floor at this point, and I have always been a Mirza supporter but I see no reason for him to play anymore.

[Paradise]

15 games
82 Ortg
37.1% FG
30.8% 3pt
43% TS

+/- of -10 or more in 13 of 15 games including -24 last night

guy has been killing us lately, and it hurt even more now that we dont have any other option at PF once pierce sits down. you can talk about backup Center or 3rd string PG all you want but backup PF is really whats killing us.

Mirza's effort on the glass has been terrible, and he has always been really bad defensively from a team standpoint being in the wrong spots.

90% of his time in the NBA he has played to these numbers. He had a good 4-6 week period and that's about it.

He was putting up 44 FG%, 42% 3pt before he went off track around all-star break. He was 10th in three point shooting percentage in the NBA as well.

He's having a good season. It may just be a slump.

[Prokorov]

15 games
82 Ortg
37.1% FG
30.8% 3pt
43% TS

+/- of -10 or more in 13 of 15 games including -24 last night

guy has been killing us lately, and it hurt even more now that we dont have any other option at PF once pierce sits down. you can talk about backup Center or 3rd string PG all you want but backup PF is really whats killing us.

Mirza's effort on the glass has been terrible, and he has always been really bad defensively from a team standpoint being in the wrong spots.

90% of his time in the NBA he has played to these numbers. He had a good 4-6 week period and that's about it.

He was putting up 44 FG%, 42% 3pt before he went off track around all-star break. He was 10th in three point shooting percentage in the NBA as well.

He's having a good season. It may just be a slump.

it started a couple games before the break but either way its not just his shooting... its that everything else he does is being done at a poor level and hurting the team when he is on the floor. and he is so hot and cold with his shot im not sure its worth putting him out there consistently when all he brings is 3point shooting and we have plenty of 3 point shooting otherwise

id like to see AK be our backup PF and play anderson and thornton together with that unit. at least when andersons shot is off he still gives you defense

[Keith Van Horn]

90% of his time in the NBA he has played to these numbers. He had a good 4-6 week period and that's about it.

He was putting up 44 FG%, 42% 3pt before he went off track around all-star break. He was 10th in three point shooting percentage in the NBA as well.

He's having a good season. It may just be a slump.

it started a couple games before the break but either way its not just his shooting... its that everything else he does is being done at a poor level and hurting the team when he is on the floor. and he is so hot and cold with his shot im not sure its worth putting him out there consistently when all he brings is 3point shooting and we have plenty of 3 point shooting otherwise

id like to see AK be our backup PF and play anderson and thornton together with that unit. at least when andersons shot is off he still gives you defense

I agree with that lineup of Thornton/Anderson/Kirilenko.

Heck if Mirza was playing better I would even say put AK in with the starters and move Shaun to the reserves.

[F3LON]

15 games
82 Ortg
37.1% FG
30.8% 3pt
43% TS

+/- of -10 or more in 13 of 15 games including -24 last night

guy has been killing us lately, and it hurt even more now that we dont have any other option at PF once pierce sits down. you can talk about backup Center or 3rd string PG all you want but backup PF is really whats killing us.

Mirza's effort on the glass has been terrible, and he has always been really bad defensively from a team standpoint being in the wrong spots.

90% of his time in the NBA he has played to these numbers. He had a good 4-6 week period and that's about it.

He was putting up 44 FG%, 42% 3pt before he went off track around all-star break. He was 10th in three point shooting percentage in the NBA as well.

He's having a good season. It may just be a slump.

IDK about that. I look at his body of work and he was terrible last year. His production as a whole has been sub par since he became a Net. He has been a huge disappointment

[MrDollarBills]

I agree. Last year he caught a pass because of how the coaching staff used him.

This year, he caught fire and played well for a stretch and once the scouting report came out the guy made no adjustments and he has been god awful ever since.

This looks like a failed experiment.