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Plum and blatch have been a good two headed monster the past few games. With Kg returning, maybe in the knicks game, what will happen with the minutes of blatch and plumlee? Im interested to know your opinions. Imo we should play KG around 20 minutes, blatch 18 and Plumlee 10. Start with KG then bring in blatch and splash plum for energy.

Let KG take Blatche's minutes

He starts? Both plumlee and Blatche are wildcards, you have no idea if you're gonna get the good version or the bad version of each player every night. KG at least brings the defense and now semi-automatic midrange jumper every game.

When KG returns it's likely that Kidd will play him even less minutes, don't want to risk giving him big minutes prior to the playoffs.

thebigfour wrote:Plum and blatch have been a good two headed monster the past few games. With Kg returning, maybe in the knicks game, what will happen with the minutes of blatch and plumlee? Im interested to know your opinions. Imo we should play KG around 20 minutes, blatch 18 and Plumlee 10. Start with KG then bring in blatch and splash plum for energy.

i started a thread like this a few weeks ago. and i think the best answer is to remove teletovic from the rotation and give plumlee his minutes. play dray as the backup PF. helps us on the glass and gives us more floor balance with a finisher inside like plumlee.

my biggest fear is really KG coming back and us getting 0 easy baskets and being even more jump shot reliant as teams can chase us off the 3 point line without risk of a dunk from the 5 spot.

Prokorov wrote:

thebigfour wrote:Plum and blatch have been a good two headed monster the past few games. With Kg returning, maybe in the knicks game, what will happen with the minutes of blatch and plumlee? Im interested to know your opinions. Imo we should play KG around 20 minutes, blatch 18 and Plumlee 10. Start with KG then bring in blatch and splash plum for energy.

i started a thread like this a few weeks ago. and i think the best answer is to remove teletovic from the rotation and give plumlee his minutes. play dray as the backup PF. helps us on the glass and gives us more floor balance with a finisher inside like plumlee.

my biggest fear is really KG coming back and us getting 0 easy baskets and being even more jump shot reliant as teams can chase us off the 3 point line without risk of a dunk from the 5 spot.

Deron, Pierce, and Johnson are all capable of getting us closer looks at the basket. Deron and Pierce are good at breaking their man down off the dribble, while Johnson has really impressed me this year with his post game. He's pretty much unstoppable down on the block, regardless of who's defending him.

I think it's a mentality thing though. As it is now, we're not really getting a lot of easy dunks/layups around the rim either, because our players fall in love with the jumper as is. It's something they just have to keep in mind and actively try to do when KG is out there.

It's a tradeoff I'd take without a second thought though. KG is a better outside shooter than Blatche or Plumlee, he's a better passer, he's a better decision-maker, and his defense is outstanding.

therealbig3 wrote:
Deron, Pierce, and Johnson are all capable of getting us closer looks at the basket. Deron and Pierce are good at breaking their man down off the dribble, while Johnson has really impressed me this year with his post game. He's pretty much unstoppable down on the block, regardless of who's defending him.

they really arent though... not when your bigs dont have to worry about helping on drives since there is no threat of a dunk with garnett not playing near the hoop and being a poor finisher. i mean a;; 3 CAN get shots at the hoop, but not consistently. johnson can probably get low post position, but if they double that usually leads to more jumpers. not that an open jumper is bad, but when its all you shoot it makes you susceptable to long droughts.

willaims has been better at penetrating, but he hasnt really been scoring at the rim, getting to the line, or finsihing at a great rate, and part of this current run is that we he does drive he has the option to dump it to plumlee for an easy 2. with KG that instead usually becomes anopen 16 foot jumper. again a great shot for KG, but again -- we become almost completely jump shot oriented.

my biggest fear in the playoffs is that we dont have 2-3 guys hot on jumpshots every game and the long rebounds lead to run outs and easy buckets the other way. those easy baskets for us are big... as are transition layups, which we dont get much of when plumlee or ak arent on the floor.

I think it's a mentality thing though. As it is now, we're not really getting a lot of easy dunks/layups around the rim either, because our players fall in love with the jumper as is. It's something they just have to keep in mind and actively try to do when KG is out there.

we have gotten alot of easy baskets since plumlee has come in the lineup. i think he is like 3rd in the NBA in dunks per minute or whatever stat they flashed during the pelicans game. and since he has been a starter we have scored alot more points in the paint and alot more in transition

It's a tradeoff I'd take without a second thought though. KG is a better outside shooter than Blatche or Plumlee, he's a better passer, he's a better decision-maker, and his defense is outstanding.

we have played excellent defense in the 15 or so games with plumlee starting. i agree with garnett we are better defensively but we certainly have not been bad defensively in his absence. and im not saying we dont play garnett, im just saying we play plumlee 20 minutes still and as often with the starters as possible... i think we but mirza from the rotation or cut his and blatches minutes in half and keep plumlee at 20 a night.

one of the reasons we settle for jumpers is mentality like you said, but the other reason is floor balance. we simply dont have anyone at or near the rim when KG is on the floor. and floor spacing matters less when you dont have threats to finish at the rim, since guys can just play up on shooters and dare them to drive

Hopefully Kidd employs the same strategy, he used with Dwill in the beginning of his return, keeping him in the reserve team to get him back in shape. There is a chemistry now with the team. Plum is getting quality assists and he is a good finisher at the rim. The ball stays in the hands of dwil, pierce and jj while plum and sdot cut in the lane looking for seams in the defense. Plumlee's scoring is great but there were times against charlotte and washington where he was shut down. In those cases KG would be an upgrade as al jefferson can be shut down by KG. Against the bulls Mason did a fantastic job on Noah. So I think Kidd has a good problem which he has shown creativity in rotations to which I think he should remain faithful to.

Minutes wise I still think we should keep KG, Plum and blatch at the 5 and not upset the 1 thru 4 rotations. For better or worse we are a small ball team and our success will be connected to our speed, passing, ability to cause TO, shooting and dribble drive penetration. The distribution of minutes should be 20 minutes kg, 14 plum and 14 blatch. Ive changed my mind from my previous post in giving more minutes to blatch. Actually Kg should play his 5 minutes in and the subsequent 5 minutes should be alternate with blatch and plum. At the very least opponent centers would be confused as to how to play us with the changing match ups.

Prok, our offense was great with KG in the lineup. This easy basket theory isn't really true. With Livingston on te floor, we have someone that only attacks the rim. Pierce and Deron drive in plenty when they have the chance. JJ posts up. KG is active too. It's not like we just chuck jumpers.

I think the best bet is to play KG 22-25 minutes a game. Bring in Blatche with a VERY short leash for his non sense. Silly TOs, lackadaisical defense, any of those times where you know bad and unfocused blatche is in - bring in Plumlee. Play it that way. KG is still the best big on the team.

MGrand15 wrote:Prok, our offense was great with KG in the lineup. This easy basket theory isn't really true. With Livingston on te floor, we have someone that only attacks the rim. Pierce and Deron drive in plenty when they have the chance. JJ posts up. KG is active too. It's not like we just chuck jumpers.

I think the best bet is to play KG 22-25 minutes a game. Bring in Blatche with a VERY short leash for his non sense. Silly TOs, lackadaisical defense, any of those times where you know bad and unfocused blatche is in - bring in Plumlee. Play it that way. KG is still the best big on the team.

im not saying we become a terrible offense with KG. but we certainly are much more jumpshot reliant, more susceptable to offensive droughts, and dont have a big on the floor to finsih if people help when deron or pierce drive to the hoop.

Also, when johnson posts up, the big can double team without fear of giving up an easy layup. now, they have to stay home on plumlee. sure KG might hit 55% of his open 16 footers, but plumlee hits on like 99% of his open dunk attempts. its not a major concern, but if the jumpers arent falling it really gives us no other offensive option.

I get what you're saying and I agree plumlee brings a whole different element to our offense. I don't think the defensive or rebounding trade off is worth a questionable offensive improvement. KG can do a bunch of different things that plum just can't right now. Hitting cutters inside is one of them. When Plumlee catches the ball in the high post (which he does often) - he either passes it to someone (JJ usually) posting in the middle or kicks it out to the perimeter for a jumper or a pnr. KG can hit cutters inside from that spot. He can pull up for a jumper if hes not guarded. He gives the post man more room inside to operate. He also finishes inside, not like mason but still.

KG only plays 20-25 minutes. And he normally plays with the starting unit. I'd rather have him there. And have AK47 with the weaker defensive bigs - this is hoping we get the AK47 pre-injury.

It's comforting that we can have this conversation. A couple of weeks ago we would've been screwed if we didn't have KG defending and rebounding for half the game. We've made it work by developing Mason and minimizing his weakness.

MGrand15 wrote:I get what you're saying and I agree plumlee brings a whole different element to our offense. I don't think the defensive or rebounding trade off is worth a questionable offensive improvement. KG can do a bunch of different things that plum just can't right now. Hitting cutters inside is one of them. When Plumlee catches the ball in the high post (which he does often) - he either passes it to someone (JJ usually) posting in the middle or kicks it out to the perimeter for a jumper or a pnr. KG can hit cutters inside from that spot. He can pull up for a jumper if hes not guarded. He gives the post man more room inside to operate. He also finishes inside, not like mason but still.

KG only plays 20-25 minutes. And he normally plays with the starting unit. I'd rather have him there. And have AK47 with the weaker defensive bigs - this is hoping we get the AK47 pre-injury.

It's comforting that we can have this conversation. A couple of weeks ago we would've been screwed if we didn't have KG defending and rebounding for half the game. We've made it work by developing Mason and minimizing his weakness.

Great analysis!

I'd like to see KG play with the bench more because his defense is so damn good. But it really depends on matchups. Let's not forget how good KG is.

As much as I like Plumlee (said he's a top 5 pick), I don't know if he's going to have the same impact in the playoffs against a team like Miami's starters when they kick up their defense a notch. KG can make Miami pay with his jumper. Plumlee can't do that.