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2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:36 pm
by NyCeEvO
No picks.
No cap space.

Why start a thread about the draft and the offseason then?

Well, I believe the way we handle this offseason will have a major impact on what could happen for the 2015 & 2016 offseasons.

Some things that will be considered:
- Should we look into buying or acquiring a pick in this year's draft?
- Who are some players available in the late 1st round/early 2nd round that we could realistically target?

- Will Brook Lopez be traded?
- Should we (and will we) re-sign Shaun Livingston & Andray Blatche?
- Should we re-sign Pierce? If so, for how long?
- In the event that KG retires, what should we do to replace him?
- Is Billy King really the 28th worst GM in the league? If no, how much closer to dead last is he?

Anyway, let's discuss all of these things while Billy King holds the fate of the Nets future in his hands. :D

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:13 pm
by Prokorov
To add to your post...

Players signed to gauranteed contracts for next year(remaining status as of next year):
Johnson 23M (+1 year)
Williams 20M (+ 2 years)
Lopez 16M (+ 1 year)
Garnett 12M (expiring)
Thornton 8.5M (expiring)
Mirza 3.5M (expiring)
Plumlee 1.3M (team option for '15-'16)
Teague 1.1M (Team option for '15-'16)

Players with player options:
Kirilenko 3.5M
Blatche 1.5M (Bird Rights)

Players the team has an option for:
Gutierez 800K

Free Agents:
Paul Pierce (bird rights)
Shaun Livingston
Alan Anderson
Jason Collins

Exceptions, player draft rights, and Accounting:
Rights to Bojan Bogdanovic
Rights to Ilan Karaman
Rights to Edin Bavcic
Mini Mid Level Exception
2M in cash to spend on draft picks

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:18 pm
by NyCeEvO
I hope Livingston stays, but I wish we had our 1st rd draft pick for insurance.

I think Tyler Ennis will be a very solid PG in the years to come if he's handled by the right coach. Despite Kidd's other deficiencies, I think he would be a great mentor for Ennis.

I see a lot of potential with this guy. While I never expect him to be an allstar, I do think he can be a very good backup PG/solid stop-gap starting PG.

He's currently projected to be in the 13-17 pick range.

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Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:36 pm
by Prokorov
NyCeEvO wrote:Some things that will be considered:
- Should we look into buying or acquiring a pick in this year's draft?
- Who are some players available in the late 1st round/early 2nd round that we could realistically target?

- Will Brook Lopez be traded?
- Should we (and will we) re-sign Shaun Livingston & Andray Blatche?
- Should we re-sign Pierce? If so, for how long?
- In the event that KG retires, what should we do to replace him?
- Is Billy King really the 28th worst GM in the league? If no, how much closer to dead last is he?

Anyway, let's discuss all of these things while Billy King holds the fate of the Nets future in his hands. :D


I'll address the easy decisions first:

Contracts

1) Pierce. no brainer, we offer him 1 year 15M and he takes it or leaves it. under no circumstance do we give him a second year unless its a team only option that we can void. We cant have his money gauranteed on the cap in 15-16. It would give us no shot at getting under the taxline to make sign and trade deals. We nee dthat flexibility should Durant/Love become available

2) I think the better question is can we sign livingston and Kirilenko. both would require the mMLE. Blatche, we have his bird rights, and signing one of those two would have no bearing on it.

3) Blatche... if he will take a 2 year deal, or 2 year deal with a team option in year 3 i think we sign him. Otherwise, we have to let him go. We simply can not afford to have his money on the 16-17 cap. it would kill our chances at signing one of the big free agents. So like pierce its simple. offer him the max we can for 2 years + 1 year team option and he takes it or leaves it

4) I'd like anderson back, but he may get more then the minimum from someone. I think we pick up gutierez option since its nothing. I doubt collins is back.

5) Bogdanovic. he'd require the mMLE. He wont get it unless we say goodbye to AK and livingston. i think we just leave him over there or end up trading his rights


6) how do we replace KG if he leaves? I'd start plumlee. clearly we can win with plumlee at center. we are like 17-6 with him starting in KG's absence and he is only gonna get better. Then we just need a backup. if Blatche leaves and brook is traded we could look and see if perkins would take a minimum contract or if not see if some other vet big would play here for a small deal

7) Damare Carrol. he is unrestricted. if we lose livingston and AK id ofer him the full mMLE. he could replace those as solid defending role playing energy guy

Trades & Draft


1) Lopez. If someone gives us a top 12-14 pick and mostly expirings i make the deal. In any deal for brook i will NOT take:
-Young players who will NOT still be on their rookie deal in 16-17
-any veteran who doesnt expire before 16-17

Basically, we need a pick and expiring money or a player who will be on his rookie deal in 16-17. We simply cant take on salary in 16-17, and getting a good young player is great, but if we have to give that player 6-8M in 16-17 it ruins our chances at free agents in that big offeseason. Ideally i'd trade brook at the draft for a pick and as much expiring money as possible

2) Do we buy a pick? Yes. absolutely. if only for the asset and player on a rookie deal

3) who should we target? i assume a pick we buy would be in the 28-40 range. guys i'd look at are:
-Patric Young. tons of athletecism and upside. super athlete
-Laquinton Ross. Good ahtlete, good size. 2/3 tweener kinda like johnson but more ahtletic and can shoot
-Clint Capella. 6'11 with sick hops. only seen him play a couple times but he has plumlee like leaping ability
-Shabazz napier if he dropped to the low 20's

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:38 pm
by Prokorov
NyCeEvO wrote:I hope Livingston stays, but I wish we had our 1st rd draft pick for insurance.

I think Tyler Ennis will be a very solid PG in the years to come if he's handled by the right coach. Despite Kidd's other deficiencies, I think he would be a great mentor for Ennis.

I see a lot of potential with this guy. While I never expect him to be an allstar, I do think he can be a very good backup PG/solid stop-gap starting PG.

He's currently projected to be in the 13-17 pick range.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0QcEzMPmZQ[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXagXa9JgtA[/youtube]


if we move lopez we could get in that 13-14 range im sure. I like ennis as well. although im not sure id go PG with the pick as SF/PF will be issues in the future with pierce and JJ mvoign on in 2 years

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:04 pm
by Paradise
Prokorov wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:I hope Livingston stays, but I wish we had our 1st rd draft pick for insurance.

I think Tyler Ennis will be a very solid PG in the years to come if he's handled by the right coach. Despite Kidd's other deficiencies, I think he would be a great mentor for Ennis.

I see a lot of potential with this guy. While I never expect him to be an allstar, I do think he can be a very good backup PG/solid stop-gap starting PG.

He's currently projected to be in the 13-17 pick range.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0QcEzMPmZQ[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXagXa9JgtA[/youtube]


if we move lopez we could get in that 13-14 range im sure. I like ennis as well. although im not sure id go PG with the pick as SF/PF will be issues in the future with pierce and JJ mvoign on in 2 years

Lol Trading Lopez for a mid-first 1st round pick? I know you have this odd bias against him but come on now.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:22 pm
by Zachbretton
Really overall I feel our few most important moves are:

Moving Lopez for something worthwhile... Though I see him possibly fitting into our now new system, I just see him paying off that much when we could get a possibly good result from it.

Resigning PP for a one year, second year option contract

Ensuring we resign Livingston.

Clearing Lopez though could net us a much better situation overall

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:37 pm
by Prokorov
Paradise wrote:Lol Trading Lopez for a mid-first 1st round pick? I know you have this odd bias against him but come on now.


Trading lopez for a top 14(aka lotto) pick and expirings isnt some crazy notion. Especially if you are in the camp that believes kidd doesnt fit in his system, or is in the camp that Lopez will not be given another big contract when his deal is up.

i happen to be in both camps. and i think it makes some sense to move him at that draft. With a guy with injuries making 16M a year, id rather be cautious and trade him at a slightly lower value, as opposed to gambling that he will increase his value by bouncing back healthy and not having a set back.

I think its unrealistic to expect a top 6 pick or multiple first rounders.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:40 pm
by Prokorov
i think marcus thornton could be a good trade piece at next years deadline. 8.5M expiring who could help a contender if he continues to play like he has since joining us. not that id want to see him go, im a big fan, but as a decent sized expiring who can help you win, thats attractive to other teams

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:47 pm
by NyCeEvO
Prokorov wrote:i think marcus thornton could be a good trade piece at next years deadline. 8.5M expiring who could help a contender if he continues to play like he has since joining us. not that id want to see him go, im a big fan, but as a decent sized expiring who can help you win, thats attractive to other teams

Agree 100%.

As soon as the trade went down, I posted that one immediate benefit of having Thorton is that his deal could serve a great expiring if we're looking to take on a major contract.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:18 pm
by DarkXaero
Yep, Thornton could turn out to be a really nice trade asset at next season's deadline.

As for the draft, I think we can only acquire 1st round picks through trade. No one wants to sell 1st round picks anymore. I would be open to the idea of trading Bogdanovic's rights for a 1st round pick in this draft. I don't know where his value stands right now though. He is going to sign a new contract in Europe, while probably getting an easier NBA out option in the contract.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:39 pm
by Prokorov
DarkXaero wrote:Yep, Thornton could turn out to be a really nice trade asset at next season's deadline.

As for the draft, I think we can only acquire 1st round picks through trade. No one wants to sell 1st round picks anymore. I would be open to the idea of trading Bogdanovic's rights for a 1st round pick in this draft. I don't know where his value stands right now though. He is going to sign a new contract in Europe, while probably getting an easier NBA out option in the contract.


we should be able to buy a second rounder, and maybe get a late 1st or second for bogs. both would be good moves IMO

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:24 pm
by DarkXaero
Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Yep, Thornton could turn out to be a really nice trade asset at next season's deadline.

As for the draft, I think we can only acquire 1st round picks through trade. No one wants to sell 1st round picks anymore. I would be open to the idea of trading Bogdanovic's rights for a 1st round pick in this draft. I don't know where his value stands right now though. He is going to sign a new contract in Europe, while probably getting an easier NBA out option in the contract.


we should be able to buy a second rounder, and maybe get a late 1st or second for bogs. both would be good moves IMO
A second rounder for Bogdanovic? Hell no, he's still one of the best euros stashed in Europe, he's worth an early 20s 1st round pick at least.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:27 pm
by Prokorov
DarkXaero wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Yep, Thornton could turn out to be a really nice trade asset at next season's deadline.

As for the draft, I think we can only acquire 1st round picks through trade. No one wants to sell 1st round picks anymore. I would be open to the idea of trading Bogdanovic's rights for a 1st round pick in this draft. I don't know where his value stands right now though. He is going to sign a new contract in Europe, while probably getting an easier NBA out option in the contract.


we should be able to buy a second rounder, and maybe get a late 1st or second for bogs. both would be good moves IMO
A second rounder for Bogdanovic? Hell no, he's still one of the best euros stashed in Europe, he's worth an early 20s 1st round pick at least.


i said late first/early second. obviusly higher is prefered. but even a high second rounder id take if thats all we could get. there are alot of factors:

1) Bogs turns 25 next week, he isnt all that young
2) He is likely going to want a 3 year deal, that would run into 16-17
3) If we want him here, we need to use the MLE, meaning no livingston or kirilenko
4) He didnt have a great year

i think he is worth more as an asset then a player. id try and trade him for sure, hopefully get in the first round, but otherwise id still try and move him and take what i can get

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:36 pm
by DarkXaero
He still has far more value in the NBA than a second round pick. I most certainly wouldn't settle for a second round pick. He hasn't had a great year after a fantastic start, but he's still improving his game. I agree that right now he's more of a trade asset to us because of the cap situation. But I wouldn't move him unless I got a decent 1st round pick in a good draft like this year's draft. The only Euro stash with more value than him is Mirotic.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:19 pm
by Prokorov
DarkXaero wrote:He still has far more value in the NBA than a second round pick. I most certainly wouldn't settle for a second round pick. He hasn't had a great year after a fantastic start, but he's still improving his game. I agree that right now he's more of a trade asset to us because of the cap situation. But I wouldn't move him unless I got a decent 1st round pick in a good draft like this year's draft. The only Euro stash with more value than him is Mirotic.


well here is the rub... we really cant bring him over because he'd require the mmle and a contract that runs in to 16-17. and every year we dont trade him his value goes down, since he is already 25.

i dont think his value will ever be higher then it is now, so whatever the max is we can get for him, id take it.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:19 am
by DarkXaero
Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:He still has far more value in the NBA than a second round pick. I most certainly wouldn't settle for a second round pick. He hasn't had a great year after a fantastic start, but he's still improving his game. I agree that right now he's more of a trade asset to us because of the cap situation. But I wouldn't move him unless I got a decent 1st round pick in a good draft like this year's draft. The only Euro stash with more value than him is Mirotic.


well here is the rub... we really cant bring him over because he'd require the mmle and a contract that runs in to 16-17. and every year we dont trade him his value goes down, since he is already 25.

i dont think his value will ever be higher then it is now, so whatever the max is we can get for him, id take it.
Like I said, I'm open to trading him, but it has to be a respectable offer, otherwise there is no point. We can bring him in when he's 30, it doesn't matter. If we have his rights, we can wait till 2016-17 to sign him if we want. There is no need to panic, and trade him for a second round pick, if that's all we can get.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:20 am
by DarkXaero
I wouldn't mind signing Greg Smith in the offseason as a third string center/PF.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:59 am
by Paradise
"We are very excited to be playing against such an important team as the San Antonio Spurs," Fenerbahçe's Bogdanovic said in a Euroleague press release. "They are a great team, with a great coach and roster. It's going to be an experience we will never forget, just like all of our games with the NBA teams. There will be a great atmosphere here at Ülker Sports Arena. I am sure our fans are also going to be very excited about this game. We are looking forward to it."


This dude isn't coming over. Trade his rights immediately after this season is over before we lose any value for him. We should get a pick within the 20s range. Somebody will be interested in him, especially if that team is capable of offering him more than we can.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:53 am
by bobbyc
We have to come to terms that Livingston isn't coming back.

Someone is going to give him more money and because he hasn't made that much money in his career he is going to take it. So we need to replace him in the starting lineup.

Trade Lopez. We have Plumlee killing it. KG will do 1 more year. blatche will be back. Tele is a solid backup.

Use mMLE on AK47.

Bring back Anderson if possible.

Need to use Lopez to bring in a guard to replace S.DOTs minutes.