2014 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread Part II

[NyCeEvO]

Part 1: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1314657

I'll start off Part 2 with my current feelings of how I think the Nets future looks:

[Prokorov]

whats the next shoe to drop for the nets? Our rosters is set i think, with the last decision being Jefferson vs. Gutierez



Williams, Jack, Teague
Johnson, Anderson Bogdanovic, Karasev, Brown
Teletovic, Kirilenko, Jefferson
Lopez, Garnett, Plumlee

[JoseRizal]

If we can't get Boozer to clear waiver (which is next to impossible), I'll pick Cory as insurance in case one of our bigs get sidelined due to injury (Lopez, AK) or grand father time (KG).

Now, if only there's a way to get rid of Teaguevitis...

[MGrand15]

Not that we have a big choice but I'd wait until the market completely dries up before making a decision on Cory Jefferson. Not that many options are out there but if we promise a guy like Shawn Marion major minutes, he might take a discount to come here. Doubt it with this market but it's possible. Someone has to strike out and we have a ton of PF/SF minutes waiting to be taken.

If not, it really sucks that we may have to cut Gutierrez over Teague. Gutz is a legit NBA player. Teague is a waste.

[NyCeEvO]

Considering all that has transpired, I'm kinda pissed off.

I've always preferred my teams to tank or (once they have the right pieces) make steady strides toward being a contender.

Back in 2010, I liked the youth movement. We had a team with a bunch of prospects and we were obviously going to lose on most nights. The Nets didn't take things seriously and therefore I didn't have to take things seriously. It was a win-win.

I've talked many times over how I've felt about all of our major deals since then, so all I'll say is that in each one I always felt there was anywhere from a slight to an egregious overpay that I felt was going to come back to bite us in the future. While there were times where I just bit my tongue and tried my best to just have fun along the ride, my (pessimistic) mind just kept saying "it's going to add up one day".

And with the start of this offseason, I feel like we've finally reached that point.

No marketing can cover up the fact that we're not going be a contender next season.

Heck, we're one D-Will or Lopez injury away from probably missing the playoffs and it's pretty sad that to say that it's kinda realistic to expect one. The Hawks have the pick swap option, BOS has our pick next year, and you know the rest.

I can't help but looking at our current situation and the future leading up to the 2016 Offseason and just think that the front office must be delusional if they think they can get Durant. And if they don't get Durant or assemble a formidable team, what a colossal fail it will be for the Nets who have been making moves since 2012 with eyes on that offseason.

I really hope some positive things arise out of nowhere cuz that's what we'll need to be a great team by the end of the 2016 offseason. Unfortunately, I can't help but think that we're in for a long period of treadmilling, which is the one position that I absolutely deplore being in as a team.

[Prokorov]

I really hope some positive things arise out of nowhere cuz that's what we'll need to be a great team by the end of the 2016 offseason. Unfortunately, I can't help but think that we're in for a long period of treadmilling, which is the one position that I absolutely deplore being in as a team.

I never understood this... i can undestand not wanting treadmill as a lottery team that is just terrible year after year. but treadmilling as a playoff team? what is so bad about being in the playoffs every year? Especially for a team that has had so many horrible seasons and so many bad runs of luck... i mean seriously outside of the buck williams run and the early 2000 nets its been pretty much enormous heartache

sure, ill admit i dont like this verison of the nets... dwill and lopez are two of my least favorite players in the sport.... but ill still take making the playoffs and winning seasons over being bad and watching picks bust, not quite reach their potential, and most importantly, coming to the realization that young teams dont win, and knowing i have to wait 4 years before getting back to being an early first round exit.

being terrible and hope you get a once in a decade hall of famer isnt really my cup of tea

[therealbig3]

Marion would be perfect imo. He's played more and more PF as he's gotten older, and he's still a very effective player. Still a good defender, he's rediscovered his 3pt shot, and he's always active. I get wanting to give minutes to the younger guys...but the younger guys are on the wings. If we use Marion as a PF, he's not taking minutes from anyone, and we actually have a starting PF again.

[Prokorov]

Marion would be perfect imo. He's played more and more PF as he's gotten older, and he's still a very effective player. Still a good defender, he's rediscovered his 3pt shot, and he's always active. I get wanting to give minutes to the younger guys...but the younger guys are on the wings. If we use Marion as a PF, he's not taking minutes from anyone, and we actually have a starting PF again.

he could be taking minutes from plumlee as well as mirza.

i dont see the point. he doesnt make us title contenders and we are still a playoff team without him. to me, its the same thing as having pierce here. pointless

[Zachbretton]

Marion would be perfect imo. He's played more and more PF as he's gotten older, and he's still a very effective player. Still a good defender, he's rediscovered his 3pt shot, and he's always active. I get wanting to give minutes to the younger guys...but the younger guys are on the wings. If we use Marion as a PF, he's not taking minutes from anyone, and we actually have a starting PF again.

he could be taking minutes from plumlee as well as mirza.

i dont see the point. he doesnt make us title contenders and we are still a playoff team without him. to me, its the same thing as having pierce here. pointless

I agree, I like Marion but at this point I'd rather see how Mirza really comes into his own as a more minute heavy PF. Its not worth getting rid of minutes for Mirza / KG / Plumlee for Marion


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[Keith Van Horn]

Wait, I mentioned Marion in the last thread out of curiosity, and now I've seen his name a few times here. Are there legit rumors about signing him or is it just us speculating?


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[bobbyc]

Dwill/ Jack
Anderson/ Bogs/ Brown
JJ/ AK/ Karasev
Plumlee/ Mt3
Lopez/ Garnett

Could surprise some people, IMO. Expectations are going to be low, but we have good talent as long as injuries don't creep up.

[JoseRizal]

With the impending signing of Stuckey to the Pacers, the East is really getting more balanced and competitive.

I agree with the other posters here, we're an injury from DWill of Lopez away from being out of the playoffs. The only x-factor I can really think of right now is that we have a new coach that may turn things around ala Thibs...

[MGrand15]

Wait, I mentioned Marion in the last thread out of curiosity, and now I've seen his name a few times here. Are there legit rumors about signing him or is it just us speculating?


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Speculation based off your post.

Still don't see Plumlee as a PF. I'd much rather let him stick to his strengths. Playing Tyson Chandler at PF would be silly. Turning down Marion at the vet min for Plumlee to get more PF minutes when there are plenty of center minutes available is ridiculous

[MGrand15]

Ed Davis would've been perfect SMH

[MrDollarBills]

Dwill/ Jack
Anderson/ Bogs/ Brown
JJ/ AK/ Karasev
Plumlee/ Mt3
Lopez/ Garnett

Could surprise some people, IMO. Expectations are going to be low, but we have good talent as long as injuries don't creep up.

I don't think we'll be bad at all.

[Prokorov]

With the impending signing of Stuckey to the Pacers, the East is really getting more balanced and competitive.

Rodney stuckey? thats the guy thats supposed to replace lance? Indy was already a fraud team, losing lance they take a step beck from a 50-55 win team to a 40-45 win team. especially with more offensive load on george who already shouldnt be getting the volume he does

I agree with the other posters here, we're an injury from DWill of Lopez away from being out of the playoffs. The only x-factor I can really think of right now is that we have a new coach that may turn things around ala Thibs...

This is extremely inaccurate in my opinion. despite a 10-21 start and BOTH of them being injured last season we STILL made the playoffs as middle seed. thats with pretty horrible coaching and a myriad of other injuries(AK, Livingston, pierce, and KG all missed time as well) and kidd basically mailing in the second of back to backs.

we would need to lose JJ, dwill, and lopez to miss the playoffs.

[Paradise]

Ed Davis would've been perfect SMH

He didn't get along with Hollins in Memphis. No chance there.

[Prokorov]

Ed Davis would've been perfect SMH

He didn't get along with Hollins in Memphis. No chance there.

and he really isnt all that good to begin with. and listening to memphis fans, he got outplayed by lauer and was a guy they didnt really seem to be high on (he was like their fans teague/evans skapegoat)

[2Mas]

Dwill/ Jack
Anderson/ Bogs/ Brown
JJ/ AK/ Karasev
Plumlee/ Mt3
Lopez/ Garnett

Could surprise some people, IMO. Expectations are going to be low, but we have good talent as long as injuries don't creep up.

I agree. Think AA & Plumlee balance out the old man offense w/ their athletism. idk much about Bogs, but Jack, Ak, Mirza & KG complement each other good for the bench.

Obviously not a contender, but shoulddd def make the playoffs.

[SpeedyG]

Didn't need Stephen A. to spell out how things will most likely play out.

Everyone laughs at the teams that have max cap space and strike out.

I keep asking 'What do the Nets have that other teams don't have and will give us a competitive advantage for KD?"

And every time I come up with absolutely nothing.

Look at what happened in 2010 when we struck out. We turned to a disastrous, crapfest of a Plan B.

I wanna see what happens in 2016, (if and) when we're in a similar position and BK is going to spin more BS about giving it our best shot only to turn around with a similar (but probably even more cap-killing) Plan B to lock us into another 5 years of treadmilling.

I've mentioned this before, but MONEY. Buckets and buckets of money. We can criticize all we want how we swung for the fences and screwed things up, but when OKC deals James Harden so they don't have to pay luxury tax, or when Miami lets go of Mike Miller (against Lebron James' wishes) so they don't have to pay luxury tax, we can go to a free-agent and point to nearly $100M luxury tax bill.

The pitch is simple:

You come here, whatever it takes for us to win a championship....we'll do it...luxury tax be damned.