Ohm: Sliding Nets evaluating Lionel Hollins

[kerry kittles]

"The Brooklyn Nets, increasingly worried about a recent lack of competitiveness, have launched an in-season evaluation of various facets of the team, including new coach Lionel Hollins, according to league sources.

The Nets lost consecutive road games last week to the Los Angeles Clippers and Utah Jazz by 39 and 35 points, respectively, sparking concern within the organization about whether Hollins' message is getting through. It's just the fifth time in NBA history that a team has lost back-to-back games by 35 points or more."

http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?stor ... rc=desktop

This franchise is a joke. Nothing else left to say. Hoping Prok sells more than I care to see Lopez shipped or Johnson shipped. Those are just short-terms fixes. This team needs a culture change: starting at the top.

This team lacks talent. Anyone with two eyes can see it, but let's continue to run through coach and after coach and not hold the guy whose run a 2nd franchise into the ground accountable.

[CalamityX12]

I like hollins but this is appropriate IMO....

B2b 30pt blowouts involves more than just players.... The coaches preparation n in game coaching is also to blame

[NyCeEvO]

I don't trust the Nets to evaluate anything properly. Most of the times we've "analyzed" a situation and made changes, things have become worse.

Can we hire an independent, 3rd party group to come an evaluate the Nets so ownership can be told what the problems with the franchise are lol?

[Paradise]

Evaluation at this stage is normal. It's a form of due diligence. We just got blown out by 35 in back to back games. I highly doubt Hollins is going anywhere. Everyone in this franchise is under a microscope now including ownership.

Hollins had been given a bad wrap. We have lost significant talent and production between Livingston, Blatche, Pierce and a healthy Teletovic.

Coming into this season we all knew Lopez was the odd man out ever since our success with KG/Blatche/Plumlee excelling as our rotation. Yet, some people still want to act like Brook being benched is some form of injustice. I'll be shocked if Hollins gets fired before new ownership but nothing surprises me anymore with this organization.

13th in defense with this unathletic lifeless team shows how elite Hollins is as a defensive coach. Give him some players who have a pulse and actually have inner pride.

[kerry kittles]

I like hollins but this is appropriate IMO....

B2b 30pt blowouts involves more than just players.... The coaches preparation n in game coaching is also to blame

Those two games our lineup has been:

Jack/Morris
Bogdanovic/Anderson/Brown
Johnson/Karasev
KG(just in Utah)/Jefferson
Plumlee/Lopez/Jordan

6/12 of those guys weren't in the league last year. The other 6:
Joe is battling bad tendinitis and being run into the ground.
Jack is a backup being thrust into a starter's role
Anderson is a meh player
KG missed one and played 23 minutes in the other
Plumlee has bad alright these past 2

Brook didnt play well during that stretch, but this team isn't good. The better players are being driven into the ground not because of Thibs style coaching, but because we have a bottom 5 bench in the league.

This a talent issue. The one responsible for assembling the talent is the one to blame here.

[MGrand15]

Talent is definitely an issue but B2B 30 point blowouts is STILL a cause for concern. Especially the one in Utah.

Still, they should be evaluating everything at this point. Doesn't mean anything.

[Keith Van Horn]

didn't see that KK made a thread, I'll delete the one I posted the story in.

If it's due dilligence, then OK. If it's anything other than that b/c they really think Hollins is failing, then SMH, Culture change is not brought about overnight.

[Albanian Damien]

the Nets should only fire Hollins IF:
-they trade Joe for Lance/Henderson/Williams package
-they trade Brook for the Javale McGee/Chandler package
-they can hire Marc Jackson as he's realistically the only better option available on the market IMO

then you'd have a team with:

Dwill
Lance / Henderson
Chandler
KG / Williams
Plums / McGee

with Marc Jackson at the helm would at least be a lock for the playoffs in the Easy IMO

[MGrand15]

the Nets should only fire Hollins IF:
-they trade Joe for Lance/Henderson/Williams package
-they trade Brook for the Javale McGee/Chandler package
-they can hire Marc Jackson as he's realistically the only better option available on the market IMO

then you'd have a team with:

Dwill
Lance / Henderson
Chandler
KG / Williams
Plums / McGee

with Marc Jackson at the helm would at least be a lock for the playoffs in the Easy IMO

If you're talking about

The immortal MARC "I get buckets" Jackson. I'm all for it.

If you're talking about Mark Jackson, the former GSW coach and clown on ESPN, I'll pass. Hollins is NOT the problem. He hasn't been perfect. I've criticized him but he's much closer to a solution than anything else we currently have. If we give him a solid roster, I have no doubt he can lead us to where we want to go. He needs pieces though. He's been extremely limited by our roster. Even before the injuries.

[DarkXaero]

Hollins has been garbage for us. Too many people here were/are busy defending him because of his reputation as a "hard nosed, old school coach". Well guess what, Avery Johnson had the same reputation, he had accomplished more with the Mavs, and I bet that the same people would have been defending Avery the same way this season, in a hypothetical scenario where Avery would have been hired (assuming that Avery had never coached for the Nets before).


Truth is that this roster just isn't made for a Hollins type team. Grizzlies were. This roster is made more for an offensive minded coach like George Karl. It was never going to be a defensive/tough team that could grind out wins. Regardless, Hollins has still underachieved with the talent at his disposal. Nets keep failing to execute in the 4th quarters of tight games. Offense regularly falls apart to complete garbage after small stretches of great offense. Nets have a tough time countering the other team's adjustments.

[kerry kittles]

We have the worst future of any team in the league. A coaching change, a Lance Stephenson, anyone we can realistically acquire isn't going to change that.

Here's some music to help in the evaluation process Billy:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivWY9wn5ps[/youtube]

[Zachbretton]

I can understand the due diligence, but our issues are a talent problem not a coaching problem... I think that's clear after the revolving door of coaches and always the same problem.

I just think that some trades would alleviate our problems, our roster is a mess and that's problems 1-99


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[kerry kittles]

Thank God:

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Bur we look like quite the dysfunctional mess with story after story about whose on the chopping block, whose to blame for this mess. Would really love the headline "Sliding Nets evaluating Billy King."

[MrDollarBills]

Hollins has been garbage for us. Too many people here were/are busy defending him because of his reputation as a "hard nosed, old school coach". Well guess what, Avery Johnson had the same reputation, he had accomplished more with the Mavs, and I bet that the same people would have been defending Avery the same way this season, in a hypothetical scenario where Avery would have been hired (assuming that Avery had never coached for the Nets before).


Truth is that this roster just isn't made for a Hollins type team. Grizzlies were. This roster is made more for an offensive minded coach like George Karl. It was never going to be a defensive/tough team that could grind out wins. Regardless, Hollins has still underachieved with the talent at his disposal. Nets keep failing to execute in the 4th quarters of tight games. Offense regularly falls apart to complete garbage after small stretches of great offense. Nets have a tough time countering the other team's adjustments.

No, the truth is that this roster **** ing sucks and the three highest players are passive and aren't leaders. This was masked last year by a better roster, probably the best roster we've had since the 00s....now, everyone is getting exposed.

I've seen enough coaches with this core to realize what the problem is. But please hold out hope that suddenly Williams, Johnson, and Lopez will play with some goddamn pride.

Johnson has tendinitis. Okay.

What's Lopez's excuse?

And please spare me, an offensive minded coach? The perimeter players have bricked shot after shot this year. There's no depth at SG. Johnson has been run into the ground because there's no other perimeter player worth **** on this team. Lopez is a bitch, flat out. Deron...well, we can write a book about him.

The fact that Lopez and Williams couldn't even snatch their starting jobs back from Plums and Jack speaks volumes.

It is not the coach. Only Billy King apologists have the audacity to blame the coach at this point.

[MrDollarBills]

"The Brooklyn Nets, increasingly worried about a recent lack of competitiveness, have launched an in-season evaluation of various facets of the team, including new coach Lionel Hollins, according to league sources.

The Nets lost consecutive road games last week to the Los Angeles Clippers and Utah Jazz by 39 and 35 points, respectively, sparking concern within the organization about whether Hollins' message is getting through. It's just the fifth time in NBA history that a team has lost back-to-back games by 35 points or more."

http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?stor ... rc=desktop

This franchise is a joke. Nothing else left to say. Hoping Prok sells more than I care to see Lopez shipped or Johnson shipped. Those are just short-terms fixes. This team needs a culture change: starting at the top.

This team lacks talent. Anyone with two eyes can see it, but let's continue to run through coach and after coach and not hold the guy whose run a 2nd franchise into the ground accountable.

Okay. Let's be real here.

This team has the highest payroll in the SPORT.

They lose back to back games by 35 or better

when an NBA team loses by that much in a game, never mind TWO STRAIGHT

IT IS THE PLAYERS.


This **** about blame Hollins is what the dullards do on the other site because they suck certain players you know whats and want to kiss ass.

In reality, Hollins is not the one bricking shots, is not the one playing passive, etc

LOPEZ AND JOHNSON HAVE QUIT ON THE TEAM. THIS IS THE REALITY.

Maybe Hollins is too hard on them. Maybe they're also sick of watching the euros brick shots. Whatever the case may be, we have quitters on this roster that need to go

if we lost by 30_ and Johnson and Lopez combined for 60 i would not say a word about them, but the stats aren't lying, and the ball damn sure doesn't

[Paradise]

Hollins has been garbage for us. Too many people here were/are busy defending him because of his reputation as a "hard nosed, old school coach". Well guess what, Avery Johnson had the same reputation, he had accomplished more with the Mavs, and I bet that the same people would have been defending Avery the same way this season, in a hypothetical scenario where Avery would have been hired (assuming that Avery had never coached for the Nets before).


Truth is that this roster just isn't made for a Hollins type team. Grizzlies were. This roster is made more for an offensive minded coach like George Karl. It was never going to be a defensive/tough team that could grind out wins. Regardless, Hollins has still underachieved with the talent at his disposal. Nets keep failing to execute in the 4th quarters of tight games. Offense regularly falls apart to complete garbage after small stretches of great offense. Nets have a tough time countering the other team's adjustments.

The Grizzlies were good because they play HARD. They play with EFFORT. They built a culture. Everyone follows the lead of Gasol, Randolph, Conley.

George Karl has already confirmed recently he doesn't like this team. It's the PLAYERS. This franchise lets the inmates run the asylum and this two game losing streak is another ploy to get another coach fired. Just like they mailed it in under Jason Kidd game after game.

The Nets disappear in 4th quarters because we have a bunch of inconsistent stars. We've been blowing leads since the 2012 playoffs. Was that on Hollins too? In our last two games Brook has averaged 4 points and 3 rebounds. Joe has averaged under 12 points.

Nobody complained about Hollins when we blew out Chicago and Washington. Both games we scored over 100 and Lopez had a dominant performance. Is that a coincidence? No. We go as far as our best players take us. The Grizzlies, Warriors, Blazers are elite because their stars show up every night and compete.

We have a bunch of inconsistent losers who have never had displayed any pride within the three years of the Brooklyn era. No coach is making these clowns look good. No coach is making these guys any less injury prone and no coach is going to fix the mess Billy put this franchise in.

[Shark]

the Nets should only fire Hollins IF:
-they trade Joe for Lance/Henderson/Williams package
-they trade Brook for the Javale McGee/Chandler package
-they can hire Marc Jackson as he's realistically the only better option available on the market IMO

then you'd have a team with:

Dwill
Lance / Henderson
Chandler
KG / Williams
Plums / McGee

with Marc Jackson at the helm would at least be a lock for the playoffs in the Easy IMO

That doesn't make any sense though. You're going to fire him if you trade for players that might actually fit Hollins' system better and then hire Marc Jackson?

[kerry kittles]

Also, let me quote some of Phil Jackson's recent press conference where he stuck up for his coach and took full responsibility:

In anticipating that we were going to be better, that we were giving hope to our fans that maybe there was a possible playoff opportunity here, that goes on me," Jackson said.
"That we have to now take responsibility and move forward and make things happen, that also goes on me and now I have to do the job that I was brought in to do."

When has King ever stepped up to the plate like that? He's always looking to throw others under the bus, rather than take full responsibility for this mess.

[KMartsCrew]

The roster isn't all that good, but neither is Hollins.

Hollins is just like Avery, Byron (both of whom have had more success than Hollins, btw), etc. Their tough act guy ends up wearing down players & they will eventually quit on them. It's an outdated M.O., period, this is a players' league. Word has it players find fault with Hollins' offense, what if any of those guys came out & said it publicly? Would that make them 'tough' too, for telling it like it is so coach Hollins gets it right? He, too, needs to be called out. Guy is a fraud, a flat out prick and an egomaniac. He just throws guys under the bus (except for his pets, of course) and just doesn't ever take the blame for anything. That's not being tough. That's copping out.

We've lost to tanking teams like Philly & Boston (twice), we made history by becoming just the 5th team in NBA history to lose back to back games by 35-plus points... Is this team that historically bad? Give me a break. At some point Hollins has to be held accountable, too. He's done a miserable job, I don't know how that can be disputed.

If the blame for this mess falls on the players as some of you say, then the credit for the success the Grizz had under him should mainly fall on the guys he had there too. Sorry guys, can't have it both ways.

Also, I find it hilarious how people talk about how many coaches the Nets have let go, as if those were guys worth keeping around these players screwed. Get real. Save for Kidd, whom the Nets actually didn't fire and wanted to keep, all those guys haven't even been considered for other head coachings jobs after being dismissed by the Nets. As with Hollins (who wasn't a hot commodity either after being let go by Memphis, I wonder why they did and why nobody hired him after becoming available...), the mistake was NOT firing those guys, but hiring them in the first place.

[kerry kittles]

The roster isn't all that good, but neither is Hollins.

Hollins is just like Avery, Byron (both of whom have had more success than Hollins, btw), etc. Their tough act guy ends up wearing down players & they will eventually quit on them. It's an outdated M.O., period, this is a players' league. Word has it players find fault with Hollins' offense, what if any of those guys came out & said it publicly? Would that make them 'tough' too, for telling it like it is so coach Hollins gets it right? He, too, needs to be called out. Guy is a fraud, a flat out prick and an egomaniac. He just throws guys under the bus (except for his pets, of course) and just doesn't ever take the blame for anything. That's not being tough. That's copping out.

We've lost to tanking teams like Philly & Boston (twice), we made history by becoming just the 5th team in NBA history to lose back to back games by 35-plus points... Is this team that historically bad? Give me a break. At some point Hollins has to be held accountable, too. He's done a miserable job, I don't know how that can be disputed.

If the blame for this mess falls on the players as some of you say, then the credit for the success the Grizz had under him should mainly fall on the guys he had there too. Sorry guys, can't have it both ways.

Also, I find it hilarious how people talk about how many coaches the Nets have let go, as if those were guys worth keeping around these players screwed. Get real. Save for Kidd, whom the Nets actually didn't fire and wanted to keep, all those guys haven't even been considered for other head coachings jobs after being dismissed by the Nets. As with Hollins (who wasn't a hot commodity either after being let go by Memphis, I wonder why they did and why nobody hired him after becoming available...), the mistake was NOT firing those guys, but hiring them in the first place.

Who do you think is the most responsible for this team's poor performance?
1. Billy King - who hired Hollins and assembled this roster
2. Lionel Hollins - the coach
3. The players

What do you think is needed most?
1. Fire King
2. Fire Hollins
3. Make a trade

A new coach, the rumored players we can get (Stephenson, Lamb, Williams, Henderson, Young) are not going to get this team past the first round. This whole thing is such a mess from the top down. What gives you any confidence that King would make the correct hire this time? What gives you any confidence that King will make the correct trade?

If we are truly evaluating the state of the franchise and assessing levels of culpability than it clearly points to one man - Billy King. This is what angers the most. Ownership keeps reassessing what went wrong, but always looking at temporary solutions which shouldn't be a surprise. This team was built on a get rich quick scheme. We didn't have the blueprint for greatness we had the blueprint of Isaiah Thomas.

And for the record I don't agree with your assessment. Pop's a very demanding coach, requiring all players to buy into what he preaches. Nothing about the Spurs championship last year proved it is a player's league. He's getting players to leave their egos at the door and buy into the team. He's not managing egos or catering to them. I'm not saying Hollins is Pop. Pop is arguably the GOAT and he's not the same as Hollins in terms of "throwing guys under the bus" to the media, but he is very demanding. We are playing team defense that is greater than the sum of it's parts. We're a bottom 3 3 point shooting team that has become even more pronounced without DWill, the only who can shoot the ball worth a damn. We lack depth, have had players hurt, guys in and out of the lineup. Hollins hasn't been given a fair shake. We had Brown, Jefferson, Morris, Jordan, Bogdanovic, Karasev play half the minutes in these past 2 games. These guys wouldn't start on the 76ers or crack the rotation on any playoff team out West. Joe is clearly hobbled, not himself, Jack - whose not a starter and thrusted into his role due to injury are playing major time. KG only played in one of those games. This team isn't good, I think even the best coaches in the league would struggle with this roster. How many wins would this team would have under Karl? Or another coach of your choosing

And for the record, I really wanted Hoiberg, but it's hard to bring in a rookie coach when you can't deal with growing pains due to a lack of picks.