Nets 3-14 This year

[Prokorov]

after we get embarassed by toronto twice and the clippers again we will be 3-14 in 2015.

So after king decided to hold off on dealing lopez because he "liked how the team was looking" we have absolutely fallen off the map. I'm not sure who im more upset with, king for not trading lopez and/or Joe or the front office for not forcing a deal or firing him for not completing one.

it is so mind boggling stupid that lopez is still on this team when teams are interested. he sucks, we suck, we dont have our own pick and we are still .5 out of the 8 seed.

This period of not making a trade to me is worse then trading for gerald wallace. not making this trade could set us back worse then that did if lopez gets hurt before we can move him

[CalamityX12]

NYK has 4 wins already....

**** my nets life....fmnl

[Shook Jones]

King had a GOLDEN opportunity to make a trade and had days off for the team to practice and gel. He blew it by not pushing the button.

This team needs an injection of new energy. JJ Lopez and Dwill know they are cashing checks no matter how lazy they play. Look at the Knicks and how hard they play now.

This team is a bloated content sloppy mess.

[MGrand15]

I pray to the heavens that Billy King didn't hold off on a trade because he "liked how the team was looking". I know that's how it was reported but I know that reports can be off. I hope that Billy saw the whirlwind the Lopez trade created and thought he could do better than Lamb, PJIII and Perkins.

Either way, messing around and stalling with Lopez is an awful idea. We know he's a ticking time bomb health wise. Joe Johnson is getting more wear-and-tear as the season goes along. I have the feeling that we're going to pull the trigger on an awesome trade - everyone is going to be happy - then one of our main guys is going to fail the physical.

[MrDollarBills]

shameful. King acts like this team can afford to gift ATL a lotto pick

[Prokorov]

I pray to the heavens that Billy King didn't hold off on a trade because he "liked how the team was looking". I know that's how it was reported but I know that reports can be off. I hope that Billy saw the whirlwind the Lopez trade created and thought he could do better than Lamb, PJIII and Perkins.

Either way, messing around and stalling with Lopez is an awful idea. We know he's a ticking time bomb health wise. Joe Johnson is getting more wear-and-tear as the season goes along. I have the feeling that we're going to pull the trigger on an awesome trade - everyone is going to be happy - then one of our main guys is going to fail the physical.

I wish i had your optimism. the package the thunder offered would have been an overpay and a fantastic deal for us, especially if we could flip perkins for someone.

i think we either dont make a trade, or make a trade were we get worse and take on salary. something like johnson for eric gordon + bad contract.

[Shark]

I pray to the heavens that Billy King didn't hold off on a trade because he "liked how the team was looking". I know that's how it was reported but I know that reports can be off. I hope that Billy saw the whirlwind the Lopez trade created and thought he could do better than Lamb, PJIII and Perkins.

Either way, messing around and stalling with Lopez is an awful idea. We know he's a ticking time bomb health wise. Joe Johnson is getting more wear-and-tear as the season goes along. I have the feeling that we're going to pull the trigger on an awesome trade - everyone is going to be happy - then one of our main guys is going to fail the physical.

I wish i had your optimism. the package the thunder offered would have been an overpay and a fantastic deal for us, especially if we could flip perkins for someone.

i think we either dont make a trade, or make a trade were we get worse and take on salary. something like johnson for eric gordon + bad contract.

That is my fear because that's just such a Billy King thing to do. Want to get rid of a bad contract? Lets take on more bad contracts because that's the logical way to do things. The Thunder's offer for Lopez was a no brainer. If King is holding out for more or because he thinks that this team, as currently constructed, is a playoff contender then he has something else coming to him.

[Zachbretton]

I pray to the heavens that Billy King didn't hold off on a trade because he "liked how the team was looking". I know that's how it was reported but I know that reports can be off. I hope that Billy saw the whirlwind the Lopez trade created and thought he could do better than Lamb, PJIII and Perkins.

Either way, messing around and stalling with Lopez is an awful idea. We know he's a ticking time bomb health wise. Joe Johnson is getting more wear-and-tear as the season goes along. I have the feeling that we're going to pull the trigger on an awesome trade - everyone is going to be happy - then one of our main guys is going to fail the physical.

I wish i had your optimism. the package the thunder offered would have been an overpay and a fantastic deal for us, especially if we could flip perkins for someone.

i think we either dont make a trade, or make a trade were we get worse and take on salary. something like johnson for eric gordon + bad contract.

That is my fear because that's just such a Billy King thing to do. Want to get rid of a bad contract? Lets take on more bad contracts because that's the logical way to do things. The Thunder's offer for Lopez was a no brainer. If King is holding out for more or because he thinks that this team, as currently constructed, is a playoff contender then he has something else coming to him.

see that's the scary thing, if billy king is wrong... he has NOTHING coming to him. He hasn't been made to answer for ANY of his problem EVER.

He **** up Philly, he's **** us up... and he's not getting a single bit of reprimand... he's even convinced higher ups that his original failures werent his but the coaching.

I just want him to make a **** redeeming move and ship out Lopez for that OKC three-way

[MGrand15]

Billy is the king of "redeeming" moves. It's why he's kept his job.

He makes awful, long term crippling moves. Follows them up with pretty good ones. It's a cycle and it's how he's still here.

[Prokorov]

Billy is the king of "redeeming" moves. It's why he's kept his job.

He makes awful, long term crippling moves. Follows them up with pretty good ones. It's a cycle and it's how he's still here.

does he?

Dwill - decent move even if minor overpay

johnson - enormous overpay

wallace - enromous overpay, arguably worst trade of the past 10 years

Pierce/KG - necessary but overpay (3 picks + pick swap? rondo went for 1 pick)

where are the redeeming trades in there? the jack/karasev move was decent, but far but offsets any of those. he couldnt make the dwight thing happen, mostly because of the picks he shipped for wallace and joe.

[MGrand15]

Billy is the king of "redeeming" moves. It's why he's kept his job.

He makes awful, long term crippling moves. Follows them up with pretty good ones. It's a cycle and it's how he's still here.

does he?

Dwill - decent move even if minor overpay

johnson - enormous overpay

wallace - enromous overpay, arguably worst trade of the past 10 years

Pierce/KG - necessary but overpay (3 picks + pick swap? rondo went for 1 pick)

where are the redeeming trades in there? the jack/karasev move was decent, but far but offsets any of those. he couldnt make the dwight thing happen, mostly because of the picks he shipped for wallace and joe.

You're only looking at the MAJOR moves.

Grabbing Livingston for the minimum.

Drafting Mason Plumlee late in the 1st in a weak draft.

Signing Mirza for 2mil per year less than we were supposed to.

Thornton trade.

Signing AK to such a bargain deal that people thought Prokhorov was paying him under the table.

Blatche. AA for the minimum.

Stuff like that. I addressed the major moves by saying he makes awful, long term crippling deals. (like the ones you mentioned) Those above are the types of moves that kept him alive this long.

[Prokorov]

You're only looking at the MAJOR moves.

Grabbing Livingston for the minimum.

that was his worth at the time

Drafting Mason Plumlee late in the 1st in a weak draft.

solid move, but his other picks were all pretty awful

Signing Mirza for 2mil per year less than we were supposed to.

it was the most we could offer, and he has been a major bust

Thornton trade.

true solid trade

Signing AK to such a bargain deal that people thought Prokhorov was paying him under the table.

he turned out to not be a bargain, he was an enormous bust and terrible for us and barely played due to injury

Blatche. AA for the minimum.

AA is a minimum type guy. no one would touch blatche and he turned out to be an enormous red flag that no team will sign now

Stuff like that. I addressed the major moves by saying he makes awful, long term crippling deals. (like the ones you mentioned) Those above are the types of moves that kept him alive this long.

he has like 12 terrible moves and 2 or 3 good ones and 0 good major moves

[Paradise]

Billy is the king of "redeeming" moves. It's why he's kept his job.

He makes awful, long term crippling moves. Follows them up with pretty good ones. It's a cycle and it's how he's still here.

does he?

Dwill - decent move even if minor overpay

johnson - enormous overpay

wallace - enromous overpay, arguably worst trade of the past 10 years

Pierce/KG - necessary but overpay (3 picks + pick swap? rondo went for 1 pick)

where are the redeeming trades in there? the jack/karasev move was decent, but far but offsets any of those. he couldnt make the dwight thing happen, mostly because of the picks he shipped for wallace and joe.

He said moves. Not trades.

- Signed Gerald Green
- Signed Blatche
- Signed Livingston
- Drafted Plumlee
- Signed Teletovic
- Signed Alan Anderson
- Traded Terry's corpse and Evans for Thornton

He follows every stupid trade with a smart decision. Then, compounds it with another stupid decision. The better Plumlee gets, the more Billy has a leg to stand on when it comes to keeping his job or getting another one. He's just like Brian Colangelo.

Colangelo ruined the Raptors for many years with idiotic trades and signings like Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon and of course his biggest blunder on Bargnani. Then, not trading Chris Bosh at the deadline letting him walk to Miami for nothing. Yet, Colangelo gifted them Dwayne Casey, Kyle Lowry, Terrance Ross (despite not drafting Drummond) and DeRozan.

[Prokorov]

He said moves. Not trades.

- Signed Gerald Green
- Signed Blatche
- Signed Livingston
- Drafted Plumlee
- Signed Teletovic
- Signed Alan Anderson
- Traded Terry's corpse and Evans for Thornton

He follows every stupid trade with a smart decision. Then, compounds it with another stupid decision. The better Plumlee gets, the more Billy has a leg to stand on when it comes to keeping his job or getting another one. He's just like Brian Colangelo.

Colangelo ruined the Raptors for many years with idiotic trades and signings like Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon and of course his biggest blunder on Bargnani. Then, not trading Chris Bosh at the deadline letting him walk to Miami for nothing. Yet, Colangelo gifted them Dwayne Casey, Kyle Lowry, Terrance Ross (despite not drafting Drummond) and DeRozan.

Blatche overall was a bad move.

teletovic has been an awful move, we could have green if we passed on mirza

alan anderson was nothing special. livingston was good for a rental

and none of the "good" moves outside of plumlee where anywhere near as bad as the bad moves

[MGrand15]

You're only looking at the MAJOR moves.

Grabbing Livingston for the minimum.

that was his worth at the time

Drafting Mason Plumlee late in the 1st in a weak draft.

solid move, but his other picks were all pretty awful

Signing Mirza for 2mil per year less than we were supposed to.

it was the most we could offer, and he has been a major bust

Thornton trade.

true solid trade

Signing AK to such a bargain deal that people thought Prokhorov was paying him under the table.

he turned out to not be a bargain, he was an enormous bust and terrible for us and barely played due to injury

Blatche. AA for the minimum.

AA is a minimum type guy. no one would touch blatche and he turned out to be an enormous red flag that no team will sign now

Stuff like that. I addressed the major moves by saying he makes awful, long term crippling deals. (like the ones you mentioned) Those above are the types of moves that kept him alive this long.

he has like 12 terrible moves and 2 or 3 good ones and 0 good major moves

Dude, I'm just saying he makes awful moves then makes pretty good moves to follow it up and it's what kept him around. I'm not saying he's good. Just that this is how he wins ownership over.

Livingston, AA, Blatche, Plumlee were huge parts of our 2nd round playoff team last year. Grabbing those guys for the minimum or in the late 1st is GREAT value. Not solid - GREAT. Regardless of what their worth was at the times or red flags that popped up later. Minimum guys are normally on the end of the bench. Not averaging 20+ mpg. Not starting and swinging playoff games. At the time, grabbing Mirza/AK for 3 mil was considered a huge bargain. That sort of stuff makes ownership happy.

[MGrand15]

Billy is the king of "redeeming" moves. It's why he's kept his job.

He makes awful, long term crippling moves. Follows them up with pretty good ones. It's a cycle and it's how he's still here.

does he?

Dwill - decent move even if minor overpay

johnson - enormous overpay

wallace - enromous overpay, arguably worst trade of the past 10 years

Pierce/KG - necessary but overpay (3 picks + pick swap? rondo went for 1 pick)

where are the redeeming trades in there? the jack/karasev move was decent, but far but offsets any of those. he couldnt make the dwight thing happen, mostly because of the picks he shipped for wallace and joe.

He said moves. Not trades.

- Signed Gerald Green
- Signed Blatche
- Signed Livingston
- Drafted Plumlee
- Signed Teletovic
- Signed Alan Anderson
- Traded Terry's corpse and Evans for Thornton

He follows every stupid trade with a smart decision. Then, compounds it with another stupid decision. The better Plumlee gets, the more Billy has a leg to stand on when it comes to keeping his job or getting another one. He's just like Brian Colangelo.

Colangelo ruined the Raptors for many years with idiotic trades and signings like Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon and of course his biggest blunder on Bargnani. Then, not trading Chris Bosh at the deadline letting him walk to Miami for nothing. Yet, Colangelo gifted them Dwayne Casey, Kyle Lowry, Terrance Ross (despite not drafting Drummond) and DeRozan.

Thank you.

Bad GMs keep their jobs for long stretches because they do JUST enough to keep their job.

[Prokorov]

i guess i just majorly disagree that those were good moves outside of thornton and green (who he screwed up by letting walk for mirza)

I view kirilenko and mirza as 2 of his worst moves, on par with the johnson overpay

[Paradise]

He said moves. Not trades.

- Signed Gerald Green
- Signed Blatche
- Signed Livingston
- Drafted Plumlee
- Signed Teletovic
- Signed Alan Anderson
- Traded Terry's corpse and Evans for Thornton

He follows every stupid trade with a smart decision. Then, compounds it with another stupid decision. The better Plumlee gets, the more Billy has a leg to stand on when it comes to keeping his job or getting another one. He's just like Brian Colangelo.

Colangelo ruined the Raptors for many years with idiotic trades and signings like Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon and of course his biggest blunder on Bargnani. Then, not trading Chris Bosh at the deadline letting him walk to Miami for nothing. Yet, Colangelo gifted them Dwayne Casey, Kyle Lowry, Terrance Ross (despite not drafting Drummond) and DeRozan.

Blatche overall was a bad move.

teletovic has been an awful move, we could have green if we passed on mirza

alan anderson was nothing special. livingston was good for a rental

and none of the "good" moves outside of plumlee where anywhere near as bad as the bad moves

You were the biggest Blatche and Anderson homer on this site when nobody else was. Now, it was overall a bad move? Lol

We got quality production out of all of them for a bargin price. Put Livingston and Blatche on this team and we're alot better and more competitive.

[Prokorov]

You were the biggest Blatche and Anderson homer on this site when nobody else was. Now, it was overall a bad move? Lol

I love Alan anderson, but its not like he was worth the MLE or that other teams would have offered him more then we gave him. he wasnt some steal of a signing. and i never said anderson was a bad move, i said he wasnt some good move, he got what his value was and played to his value.

Kirilenko i saide was a bad move, mirza i said was a bad move

I was never a "blatche homer" in fact i was 110% against him when we first signed him. I was just his biggest defender against those who said he was costing us games and was some major negative on the floor(he was made a scapegoat like many others since we moved to brooklyn, got blamed for some of the miami losses). He played alot better and i eventually liked him because he played hard on a team that had no one who played hard.

that said, he had to be sent away from the team twice and is now playing outside the US because of his off court issues and no one will touch him.

[Paradise]

You were the biggest Blatche and Anderson homer on this site when nobody else was. Now, it was overall a bad move? Lol

I love Alan anderson, but its not like he was worth the MLE or that other teams would have offered him more then we gave him. he wasnt some steal of a signing. and i never said anderson was a bad move, i said he wasnt some good move, he got what his value was and played to his value.

Kirilenko i saide was a bad move, mirza i said was a bad move

I was never a "blatche homer" in fact i was 110% against him when we first signed him. I was just his biggest defender against those who said he was costing us games and was some major negative on the floor(he was made a scapegoat like many others since we moved to brooklyn, got blamed for some of the miami losses). He played alot better and i eventually liked him because he played hard on a team that had no one who played hard.

that said, he had to be sent away from the team twice and is now playing outside the US because of his off court issues and no one will touch him.

The ending results are one thing but Blatche turned down camp offers from Miami and San Antonio to come here. King wanted Donte Greene at first until he broke his foot. Blatche was a key piece to our 49 wins and a big key to not being eliminated in Game 6 by the Bulls.

Yes, Blatche is a headcase but he was arguably our sixth man of the year. His production was incredible for a vet minimum deal. King pulled off a steal regardless of how it ended.