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Nets upgraded a lot of their biggest needs by acquiring Thad Young for KG

- Nets desperately needed to get younger. Thad is only 26.
- Nets needed to improve their Athleticism. Thad is a plus athlete even for NBA standards.
- Nets needed an NBA caliber PF. Thad is a huge upgrade over Mirza, who is an absolute bust, and KG who is a center.
- Nets needed a big who can defend face up PF's.

There is a lot to like about Young. He brings a dynamic to the Nets that they desperately need. He is just entering his prime and will provide some entertainment value with his above the rim / full court style of play. He isnt a great shooter but he is a 32% career 3pt shooter and shot 34%+ in two separate years.

Welcome to Brooklyn.

Good luck to him, he'll need it with this **** ed up franchise.

Lmao at the mirza part, boy do you love him

Hope he fits in nicely.

I'm happy to land this kid. He is great in steals and slashing to the basket. Just wish he was more of a floor leader.

The team now has 0 leadership that KG is gone.

Thad has hidden value.

- He is a lefty. This helps space the floor even if he isnt a great shooter because he can post up from the right block. Most righties prefer to post up from the left block so they can use the hook shot.

- He averages about 2 steals per 36. The Nets need someone who can force turnovers. Jack is the only player averaging over a steal a game.

- Like Plumlee, he isnt someone you have to run plays for. The Nets have had too many ball dominate players over the last few seasons. I like it that guys like Plumlee and Young can hustle their way into 20 points.

I think he'll be good for us. The death of his mother definitey weighed heavily on him and affected his performance. He had played better recently since the return of Rubio.

I like the trade, just really wish we could've moved Brook. Wasn't for Reggie Jackson, not a big Lance either, but there were intriguing pieces to be had throughout the course of our conversations. If you can get Zeller I don't know how you turn that down.

What's his offensive game consist of?
Is he someone you can dump into the low post and he can go to work, or is he a slasher, garbage man?
I haven't seen him in a couple years it seems.

I remember him being limited offensively so I'm worried if he starts next to Plumlee we have no spacing and not much post game. Our rebounding would be poor as well.

Trader_Joe wrote:What's his offensive game consist of?
Is he someone you can dump into the low post and he can go to work, or is he a slasher, garbage man?
I haven't seen him in a couple years it seems.

I remember him being limited offensively so I'm worried if he starts next to Plumlee we have no spacing and not much post game. Our rebounding would be poor as well.

Definitely NOT a low post guy.

Haven't seen an awful lot of him either but seems to be a garbage man with a decent mid-range jump shot. Scores quickly inside off of cuts and offensive rebounds. Throws up a lot of floaters and off balanced stuff inside but has a nice touch. Doesn't seem to be an above the rim guy in traffic. Can score a little bit facing up from 15-18 feet out but doesn't seem great at it. Probably due to ball handling, size, and lack of elite explosion. Better when the defense is off balance already.

Not a good 3pt shooter at all but I do remember him having a stretch in Philly where he was REALLY good from mid-range. Maybe that'll help with spacing.

IDK. From what I've seen, I don't think I'm a fan of his game. The numbers have been pretty bad too although he's had little PT with an actual PG the last year or 2.

MGrand15 wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:What's his offensive game consist of?
Is he someone you can dump into the low post and he can go to work, or is he a slasher, garbage man?
I haven't seen him in a couple years it seems.

I remember him being limited offensively so I'm worried if he starts next to Plumlee we have no spacing and not much post game. Our rebounding would be poor as well.

Definitely NOT a low post guy.

Haven't seen an awful lot of him either but seems to be a garbage man with a decent mid-range jump shot. Scores quickly inside off of cuts and offensive rebounds. Throws up a lot of floaters and off balanced stuff inside but has a nice touch. Doesn't seem to be an above the rim guy in traffic. Can score a little bit facing up from 15-18 feet out but doesn't seem great at it. Probably due to ball handling, size, and lack of elite explosion. Better when the defense is off balance already.

Not a good 3pt shooter at all but I do remember him having a stretch in Philly where he was REALLY good from mid-range. Maybe that'll help with spacing.

IDK. From what I've seen, I don't think I'm a fan of his game. The numbers have been pretty bad too although he's had little PT with an actual PG the last year or 2.

seems pretty much spot on from what i've seen

goes to the jumper when he's open, but he's happy to take somebody off the dribble if they close out on him. He's not a go-to post scorer, but he'll still go back to the basket often as teams try to counteract the speed advantage he has on big men by putting smaller defenders on him. His touch on shots that look really tough in that range just outside of lay-ins is pretty impressive. Good finisher in transition too, he's very under control. His hands are slick on defense, but in back to the basket situations and on the glass he gets beasted and feasted on due to his size.

MGrand15 wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:What's his offensive game consist of?
Is he someone you can dump into the low post and he can go to work, or is he a slasher, garbage man?
I haven't seen him in a couple years it seems.

I remember him being limited offensively so I'm worried if he starts next to Plumlee we have no spacing and not much post game. Our rebounding would be poor as well.

Definitely NOT a low post guy.

Haven't seen an awful lot of him either but seems to be a garbage man with a decent mid-range jump shot. Scores quickly inside off of cuts and offensive rebounds. Throws up a lot of floaters and off balanced stuff inside but has a nice touch. Doesn't seem to be an above the rim guy in traffic. Can score a little bit facing up from 15-18 feet out but doesn't seem great at it. Probably due to ball handling, size, and lack of elite explosion. Better when the defense is off balance already.

Not a good 3pt shooter at all but I do remember him having a stretch in Philly where he was REALLY good from mid-range. Maybe that'll help with spacing.

IDK. From what I've seen, I don't think I'm a fan of his game. The numbers have been pretty bad too although he's had little PT with an actual PG the last year or 2.

Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
If he starts we'll have two big men who have no post game and no real range.
Neither are great rebounders either.

They can both run the court and are probably best suited to play with Jack. However if that's our starting line up were in trouble. JJ is terrible in transition and would have only one three point shooter to throw to if he's doubled team in the post..and even then AA or Bogs aren't real threats.

This team needs to hope and pray Deron finds his shot again and is able to start for us. Jack, Young and Plumlee would be ideally the high energy players that can run and push the pace from the bench. Along as we have ball stoppers like JJ and Lopez on the team we might as well cater to them and essentially have a slow it down lineup and a running line up. JJ is one of the worst transition G/F out there relative to his skill (I don't think I've seen him take it to the rim once on a FB this year, rather he slows it down and waits for the defenders to catch up) and Lopez is still behind the other teams basket by the time the ball is in the frontcourt.

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With him at PF our glaring weakness becomes even more apparent which is rebounding. I hope Hollins plays him more at SF when joe sits.

jeff1624 wrote:With him at PF our glaring weakness becomes even more apparent which is rebounding. I hope Hollins plays him more at SF when joe sits.

Ehh.. some of the best teams are worse than us on the boards (Atlanta, Dallas) while some of the worst teams are elite (Utah, Sacramento) I don't think there is a huge correlation between rebounding and winning that I am aware of but if there is I would like to see the studies/evidence. I know Miami did just fine as a poor rebounding team when they won the titles.

I think our biggest weakness is our three point shooting (which I think the champs have usually been some of the best 3 point shooting teams) or just shooting in general and Thad doesn't really help there.

Before this deal I would list our biggest weakness as..

-3 point shooting (#27 in the league.. and yeah look at that list of teams sorted by best to worst)
-Terrible PG play (D.Will is playing the worst ball of his career and lost his shot altogether, while Jack is ideally a combo guard as he's even admitted he's not a a facilitator and our offense suffers as a result)
-Wings (we have one decent wing player with a steep drop off after JJ.. who relative to his salary and usage isn't very impressive at all. He doesn't get to the line, he doesn't have a great assist rate and he is terrible in transition)
-PF (KG should have been playing C and maybe should have been coming off the bench.. we weren't able to form any chemistry among the starters when our starting PF only played 15mpg and was in and out of line-ups)
-Rebounding

Trader_Joe wrote:

jeff1624 wrote:With him at PF our glaring weakness becomes even more apparent which is rebounding. I hope Hollins plays him more at SF when joe sits.

Ehh.. some of the best teams are worse than us on the boards (Atlanta, Dallas) while some of the worst teams are elite (Utah, Sacramento) I don't think there is a huge correlation between rebounding and winning that I am aware of but if there is I would like to see the studies/evidence. I know Miami did just fine as a poor rebounding team when they won the titles.

I think our biggest weakness is our three point shooting (which I think the champs have usually been some of the best 3 point shooting teams) or just shooting in general and Thad doesn't really help there.

Before this deal I would list our biggest weakness as..

-3 point shooting (#27 in the league.. and yeah look at that list of teams sorted by best to worst)
-Terrible PG play (D.Will is playing the worst ball of his career and lost his shot altogether, while Jack is ideally a combo guard as he's even admitted he's not a a facilitator and our offense suffers as a result)
-Wings (we have one decent wing player with a steep drop off after JJ.. who relative to his salary and usage isn't very impressive at all. He doesn't get to the line, he doesn't have a great assist rate and he is terrible in transition)
-PF (KG should have been playing C and maybe should have been coming off the bench.. we weren't able to form any chemistry among the starters when our starting PF only played 15mpg and was in and out of line-ups)
-Rebounding

Being a bad rebounding team isn't such nuisance if you have an excellent offense. In Atlanta's case they have a top 10 defensive team as well so the rebounding is almost a non-issue. Dallas' rebounding IS a problem and is one of the reasons I think their a faux contender.

We're one of the worst offensive teams in the league... we can't afford to give the other teams more chances.

And you're right. Three point shooting has been the biggest problem... but rebounding leapfrogs it now that Young is gonna get the bulk of the minutes at PF.

I think we should slide JJ back to SG and play Young at SF. Johnson plays better when he gets a size mismatch. He isnt fast enough to get around forwards. I think he is best when he gets to back down a smaller player. JJ isnt good at defending SGs but neither are the other options on our team. This is pretty much contingent with Blatche resigning since he is capable of spacing the floor and facing up. It doesnt matter who starts at C but I would prefer Plumlee. Lopez will still get his minutes but he gets more quality touches off the bench. Both Plumlee and Blatche are good enough ball handlers to get a fast break going while also being fast enough to run when they dont have the ball.

Plumlee - Lopez
Blatche
Young - Bogs
JJ - Anderson
Jack - D Will

jeff1624 wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:

jeff1624 wrote:With him at PF our glaring weakness becomes even more apparent which is rebounding. I hope Hollins plays him more at SF when joe sits.

Ehh.. some of the best teams are worse than us on the boards (Atlanta, Dallas) while some of the worst teams are elite (Utah, Sacramento) I don't think there is a huge correlation between rebounding and winning that I am aware of but if there is I would like to see the studies/evidence. I know Miami did just fine as a poor rebounding team when they won the titles.

I think our biggest weakness is our three point shooting (which I think the champs have usually been some of the best 3 point shooting teams) or just shooting in general and Thad doesn't really help there.

Before this deal I would list our biggest weakness as..

-3 point shooting (#27 in the league.. and yeah look at that list of teams sorted by best to worst)
-Terrible PG play (D.Will is playing the worst ball of his career and lost his shot altogether, while Jack is ideally a combo guard as he's even admitted he's not a a facilitator and our offense suffers as a result)
-Wings (we have one decent wing player with a steep drop off after JJ.. who relative to his salary and usage isn't very impressive at all. He doesn't get to the line, he doesn't have a great assist rate and he is terrible in transition)
-PF (KG should have been playing C and maybe should have been coming off the bench.. we weren't able to form any chemistry among the starters when our starting PF only played 15mpg and was in and out of line-ups)
-Rebounding

Being a bad rebounding team isn't such nuisance if you have an excellent offense. In Atlanta's case they have a top 10 defensive team as well so the rebounding is almost a non-issue. Dallas' rebounding IS a problem and is one of the reasons I think their a faux contender.

We're one of the worst offensive teams in the league... we can't afford to give the other teams more chances.

And you're right. Three point shooting has been the biggest problem... but rebounding leapfrogs it now that Young is gonna get the bulk of the minutes at PF.

Perhaps.. it's not as though KG was playing much. Our bigs have been poor rebounders a majority of the 96 minutes all year between Plumlee, Lopez, Mirza and JJ.

And while I just looked at this season, I think over the years and from articles I've read (don't know where) there isn't a strong correlation between rebounding and winning.. or at least it's not as strong a correlation as other categories.

I don't know much about him but I've had him on my fantasy keeper league for four years and I like this guy. Definitely should improve this team since they're keeping Lopez. This team might not suck as much this season but Thad isn't going to be the game changing player to lead us to the promise land. If Deron doesn't continue to suck the addition of Thad will help keep the Nets in the playoff hunt.

I could see us rolling out this line up:

Jack/Joe/Thad/Plumlee/Lopez

Go big and bully... Interested to see how that could work


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I wouldn't be too excited! He plays no D, his steals are way down this year.. His mother passed away maybe two months ago, I think that's effecting play this year.. He's not very good..

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