Plumlee and Brook

[KeithD]

What happens with these two at the end of the year? We were inches away from shipping Brook off and giving Plum's the keys to the center spot, and now it looks like a blessing.

Lopez is playing solid ball off the bench and is finally playing closer to Hollins' style while Plumlee seems to be out matched by opposing starting centers. Asik and Bogut manhandled him. His offense hasn't developed at all since last year and he's not rebounding like he was at the start of the season.

I was all for moving Brook or even letting him walk in the summer just to change it up, but now I'm not sure. And it's not so much because of his play, but more so because of Plumlee's.


How do you think this plays out?

[jeff1624]

What happens with these two at the end of the year? We were inches away from shipping Brook off and giving Plum's the keys to the center spot, and now it looks like a blessing.

Lopez is playing solid ball off the bench and is finally playing closer to Hollins' style while Plumlee seems to be out matched by opposing starting centers. Asik and Bogut manhandled him. His offense hasn't developed at all since last year and he's not rebounding like he was at the start of the season.

I was all for moving Brook or even letting him walk in the summer just to change it up, but now I'm not sure. And it's not so much because of his play, but more so because of Plumlee's.


How do you think this plays out?

Brook ultimately decides if he'll be here or not. If he picks up his player option then he'll be a Net thoughout 2016. If he doesn't then I don't see King resigning him because he doesn't want compromise the 2016 cap space AND because he's terrified of being in the luxury tax all of a sudden.

[MrDollarBills]

What happens with these two at the end of the year? We were inches away from shipping Brook off and giving Plum's the keys to the center spot, and now it looks like a blessing.

Lopez is playing solid ball off the bench and is finally playing closer to Hollins' style while Plumlee seems to be out matched by opposing starting centers. Asik and Bogut manhandled him. His offense hasn't developed at all since last year and he's not rebounding like he was at the start of the season.

I was all for moving Brook or even letting him walk in the summer just to change it up, but now I'm not sure. And it's not so much because of his play, but more so because of Plumlee's.


How do you think this plays out?

I love how threads like this pop up after a night where Brook goes off, but never on those nights when he plays like complete garbage.

[KeithD]

I made this thread because I don't have any confidence in Plumlee, not because of the way Brook has been playing.

I personally wouldn't be opposed to Brook leaving in the summer.

[Keith Van Horn]

The thing is it seems that Lopez has found a nice niche off the bench, something he hasn't done much of since he's been a Net. It's not that Plumlee has been terrible but he hasn't been as good as he was when Lopez was out.

Personally, I think we have our center position set now. Plumlee is the better starter and Lopez is the better player to come in late in the first and through the second. I think Lopez feels more comfortable with this role and he may ultimately stay here if that's the case. And Plumlee is the younger, more athletic guy, so let him run it out at the start of the game to establish the tempo. When the game slows down a little more we can get Brook out there. I just don't like it when the tempo is up and Lopez jacks up long 2's early in the shot clock.

And if he can continue to play decent ball off the bench, get the buckets that he usually does, and continue to improve his rebounding (which he has in his bench role..... anyone else notice that?), I like him to stay. And then, we are one PF away from having our frontcourt set for next year too:

Thad / Plumlee / Lopez / XX

Could be Mirza. I would like him to stay if he could be kept for a reasonable price AND if he can return to being the shooter he was a year ago. I know he was awful this season prior to his injury, but I would be willing to have him back based on his past.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not opposed to keeping Lopez at a lesser rate than what he is receiving now, just to head into 2016 with a nice frontcourt rotation.

[Prokorov]

What happens with these two at the end of the year? We were inches away from shipping Brook off and giving Plum's the keys to the center spot, and now it looks like a blessing.

Lopez is playing solid ball off the bench and is finally playing closer to Hollins' style while Plumlee seems to be out matched by opposing starting centers. Asik and Bogut manhandled him. His offense hasn't developed at all since last year and he's not rebounding like he was at the start of the season.

I was all for moving Brook or even letting him walk in the summer just to change it up, but now I'm not sure. And it's not so much because of his play, but more so because of Plumlee's.


How do you think this plays out?

Plumlee is 5th in the NBA in FG% and averaging 13 ppg as a starter in his second season. I dont see any issues with him offensively. he is also doing pretty well on the glass compared to last season.

Brook has no future here. Tying up cap space in him would be an idiotic move as we can be players in free agency letting him walk. Nevermind investing money in a guy who has not been able to stay healthy and who has underachieved the past several years. the league also is no longer geared around offense from Center. Brook is a dying(dead?) breed. I dont think mason will be great, but i think you can win with him, and he will also command alot less money

[Trader_Joe]

If he's not willing to come back on a major discount (3/27 type of deal with some sort of team options on there to protect ourselves), it's time to move on. Ideally we sign and trade both him and Mirza for some sort of minor assets to a team that is either over the cap or wants to save their cap. I wouldn't want their full salaries back ideally so that we could work on getting under the tax.

As for Mirza, I think he fits on this team even less now with some of the athletes we have. He's another one..sure if we get a bargain on him, I'd keep (and look to move him throughout the season like Brook).

I know the chances are looking less and less likely, but maybe once Blatche is ready to play again he'd consider us if we can still pay him the most. Maybe use the mMLE on T.Robinson.

Young / Robinson / Jefferson
Plumlee / Blatche
+
Return on Mirza/Lopez or them on cheap deals.

While Young has been shooting the lights out, I'm still convinced he's a stretch big.

[SpeedyG]

What happens with these two at the end of the year? We were inches away from shipping Brook off and giving Plum's the keys to the center spot, and now it looks like a blessing.

Lopez is playing solid ball off the bench and is finally playing closer to Hollins' style while Plumlee seems to be out matched by opposing starting centers. Asik and Bogut manhandled him. His offense hasn't developed at all since last year and he's not rebounding like he was at the start of the season.

I was all for moving Brook or even letting him walk in the summer just to change it up, but now I'm not sure. And it's not so much because of his play, but more so because of Plumlee's.


How do you think this plays out?

Plumlee is 5th in the NBA in FG% and averaging 13 ppg as a starter in his second season. I dont see any issues with him offensively. he is also doing pretty well on the glass compared to last season.

Brook has no future here. Tying up cap space in him would be an idiotic move as we can be players in free agency letting him walk. Nevermind investing money in a guy who has not been able to stay healthy and who has underachieved the past several years. the league also is no longer geared around offense from Center. Brook is a dying(dead?) breed. I dont think mason will be great, but i think you can win with him, and he will also command alot less money

This is ridiculous. The only reason Brook doesn't have a future here is because A) he's a bad fit with the roster and B) he's going to get paid.

If both are making the same amount of money, I still take Lopez most nights over Mason.

And make no mistake, once his rookie deal is done...Mason WILL get paid close, if not what Brook is making.

[Prokorov]

What happens with these two at the end of the year? We were inches away from shipping Brook off and giving Plum's the keys to the center spot, and now it looks like a blessing.

Lopez is playing solid ball off the bench and is finally playing closer to Hollins' style while Plumlee seems to be out matched by opposing starting centers. Asik and Bogut manhandled him. His offense hasn't developed at all since last year and he's not rebounding like he was at the start of the season.

I was all for moving Brook or even letting him walk in the summer just to change it up, but now I'm not sure. And it's not so much because of his play, but more so because of Plumlee's.


How do you think this plays out?

Plumlee is 5th in the NBA in FG% and averaging 13 ppg as a starter in his second season. I dont see any issues with him offensively. he is also doing pretty well on the glass compared to last season.

Brook has no future here. Tying up cap space in him would be an idiotic move as we can be players in free agency letting him walk. Nevermind investing money in a guy who has not been able to stay healthy and who has underachieved the past several years. the league also is no longer geared around offense from Center. Brook is a dying(dead?) breed. I dont think mason will be great, but i think you can win with him, and he will also command alot less money

This is ridiculous. The only reason Brook doesn't have a future here is because A) he's a bad fit with the roster and B) he's going to get paid.

If both are making the same amount of money, I still take Lopez most nights over Mason.

And make no mistake, once his rookie deal is done...Mason WILL get paid close, if not what Brook is making.

i dont think you can take lopez over plumlee if all things are equal. I dont think you can win with Brook, even if he is playing better.

For Brook to play well, he has to get high usage and be one of your first options. and he isnt a good enough first/second option to lead a team to being anything more then first/second round fodder. He cant play as a complimentary player, because all he really does well is score in isolation or score with heavy touches. He also only plays 1 style. so it makes it a bit tougher to fit pieces around him. When brook isnt scoring, he doesnt help and can even be a negative

Plumlee does a few things well. But most importantly, you dont need him to be a first/second option in order for him to help you win. He really fits in well into a team concept. Plumlee doesnt need to score to help you, and he rarely takes bad shots. He also is much easier to fit with other players. he can play in an uptempo system or a slow pace. He also still has some room to grow, lopez is probably not going to change much.

[SpeedyG]

Thing is, I don't think Lopez is pigeon-holed into an ISO only player. In fact, I think he's best utilized when he is moving to the basket and he can catch and finish. He is so tough to stop in those instances. The problem is this roster is filled with ISO players and Lopez is instead used as a post-up ISO guy or as a pick-n-pop shooter. He can do both, but those are the luxury of having him. Like that long two pick and pop that we run with him...I hate it. But mainly because we run it early in the shot clock. Run that play late in the clock and I have no problem with it. Used as a roll guy, I think he's a much effective finisher than Mason.

As for development, I don't see a lot in Mason. I think we're seeing close to what Mason's full potential is. Unless he completely reworks his FT form, he'll always be a horrendous shooter, which makes him a liability late in games. He STILL doesn't box out. He doesn't have a go-to-offense, much less a counter. Mason isn't some young guy. He spent 4 years in College, one that is pretty known for spitting out big guys who are fundamentally sound. He still gets lost defensively. We're close to the end of his 2nd year now. I know a few people here love the Chandler comparison, but no. That's not Mason. At his best, I think we'll see a high-energy undersized 5 who, for the most part, knows his limits and doesn't force the offense too much. He is the quintessential garbage guy.

Sure, you can fit him in better with most rosters. And every championship roster has one, if not two of those. But those guys aren't all that difficult to find.

[SV1113]

No reason to move Brook if he continues to give us this kind of production. We have two quality centers most teams don't have one. I'd Prefer Lopez take a smaller salary contract but I don't see the need to move him. he's still our best scorer

[Shook Jones]

I only move Plumlee if we are signing Blatche and that doesnt seem likely. Plumlee is a backup.

I dont see Plumlee getting much better than this. If the proper deal arises in the offseason I would package him with Dwill again. I dont know what happened to Jordan but he was productive earlier in the season but hasnt shown anything the last few times he played

[Prokorov]

No reason to move Brook if he continues to give us this kind of production. We have two quality centers most teams don't have one. I'd Prefer Lopez take a smaller salary contract but I don't see the need to move him. he's still our best scorer

he might be our best scorer but he is still an average scorer at best, and this is his worst scoring year of his career (by volume or percentage). It isnt tough to find guys who score 18 ppg on decent efficiency, and he doesnt provide enough on defense/glass to add to his scoring.

unless he took something like 3/21M i wouldnt even consider it.

We can easily replace his scoring, and we can easily upgrade his rebounding and defense. when healthy he couldnt get us out of the first round. there is no need to keep him moving forward

[Prokorov]

I only move Plumlee if we are signing Blatche and that doesnt seem likely. Plumlee is a backup.

I dont see Plumlee getting much better than this. If the proper deal arises in the offseason I would package him with Dwill again. I dont know what happened to Jordan but he was productive earlier in the season but hasnt shown anything the last few times he played

plumlee is absolutely a starter. he averages 13/9 as a starter and is tops in the league in FG% with extremely low usage. He is atheltic and active and the type of center you can win with in todays league.

We have a better record without brook both this and last season. he isnt really a major loss.

[SpeedyG]

No reason to move Brook if he continues to give us this kind of production. We have two quality centers most teams don't have one. I'd Prefer Lopez take a smaller salary contract but I don't see the need to move him. he's still our best scorer

he might be our best scorer but he is still an average scorer at best, and this is his worst scoring year of his career (by volume or percentage). It isnt tough to find guys who score 18 ppg on decent efficiency, and he doesnt provide enough on defense/glass to add to his scoring.

unless he took something like 3/21M i wouldnt even consider it.

We can easily replace his scoring, and we can easily upgrade his rebounding and defense. when healthy he couldnt get us out of the first round. there is no need to keep him moving forward

It isn't tough to find guys who can score 18 ppg on decent efficiency.

The hard part is finding that on guys who play the center position.

And no, scoring wide open layups/dunks off a pnr on high efficiency does not equal what Lopez brings to the table.

[lkitt0804]

I don't think you can blame Brook on the Chicago series. It was his first playoff series and was never meant to be a leader. Deron and Joe should have done more in that series.


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[SpeedyG]

I don't think you can blame Brook on the Chicago series. It was his first playoff series and was never meant to be a leader. Deron and Joe should have done more in that series.


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There's plenty of blame to be had that series. There were games that Brook played well, but there were a couple of bad ones too when Noah outplayed him. That said, you can say the same thing with Deron and Joe. Joe I think had a terrible series, though we found out later he was practically on one leg.

[lkitt0804]

I don't think you can blame Brook on the Chicago series. It was his first playoff series and was never meant to be a leader. Deron and Joe should have done more in that series.


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There's plenty of blame to be had that series. There were games that Brook played well, but there were a couple of bad ones too when Noah outplayed him. That said, you can say the same thing with Deron and Joe. Joe I think had a terrible series, though we found out later he was practically on one leg.

Performance wise I agree that you can blame Brook some games. I was just trying to say that it was his first playoff series so you kinda have to expect some inconsistency on his part. Joe and Deron were the veterans and we needed them to step up more. Hopefully we make the playoffs this year and our max guys can exceed expectations.


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[MGrand15]

I think if there's a deal in the offseason - we look to move him. A team might take a flier on him if he finishes the year strong and proves to be a nice risk as an expiring contract. Long term? I like Brook a lot as a person and like him as a player but he's too much of an injury risk. On top of that, the price tag for centers is high. Unless he takes a massive pay cut, I don't see why we keep someone as a backup for that price.

With Plumlee, we have a center for cheap for at least 2 more years. Plumlee's not perfect but he's good. He's cheap. He fits like a glove in today's NBA. Even if he only improves a bit, he'll be a very good and solid starting center for awhile.