The Curious Case of Deron Williams

[Lamak]

Recently dug around for Deron's stats for the regular season and was disappointed with what I found, seeing that he averaged the 2nd lowest totals since his rookie year. After looking through some more stats, I stumbled across his career numbers for both the Nets and the Jazz.

G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
6 seasons UTA NBA
439 406 35.6 6.2 13.3 .466 1.2 3.3 .358 5.0 10.1 .501 .510 3.7 4.6 .808 0.5 2.7 3.2 9.1 1.1 0.2 3.0 2.7 17.3
5 seasons NJN/BRK NBA
277 258 34.2 5.6 13.5 .418 1.8 4.9 .358 3.9 8.6 .452 .483 3.6 4.3 .836 0.4 2.8 3.2 7.5 1.1 0.3 2.8 2.4 16.6

Looking at the numbers, it shows that Deron averaged eeriely similar stats (Points, Assists, Rebounds, Steals, Shooting %, Turnovers) in 1 less season of play so far with the Nets and that's with our revolving door of coaches in his time here. The dip in some stats could be attributed to his wrist injury, conditioning/effort issues, or lack of offensive plays.

At this point I'm not sure what to expect going forward for D-Will, but I doubt we will be able to move him with his $40 mil. I think the possibility of Deron and Hollins together for another year could make him a respectable point again.

Thoughts?

[NyCeEvO]

1. I'm glad hope springs eternal for some of you guys. I don't have any faith in D-Will because the moment that you think he's turned the corner, he goes right back to poor play.

2. Try using [/code/] around stats so that everything lines up and it's easier to read.
(You left the eFG% in as a stat but didn't include the category. It took me a while to figure out why the lines weren't adding up. So I just removed the eFG% numbers.)
Like this:

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6 seasons          UTA NBA 
G   GS  MP   FG  FGA   FG% 3P  3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB  AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS   
439 406 35.6 6.2 13.3 .466 1.2 3.3 .358 5.0 10.1 .501  3.7 4.6 .808 0.5 2.7 3.2  9.1 1.1 0.2 3.0 2.7 17.3

5 seasons       NJN/BRK NBA
G   GS  MP   FG  FGA   FG% 3P  3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB  AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
277 258 34.2 5.6 13.5 .418 1.8 4.9 .358 3.9  8.6 .452  3.6 4.3 .836 0.4 2.8 3.2  7.5 1.1 0.3 2.8 2.4 16.6

[MrDollarBills]

Gutless, heartless, and zero respect for the fanbase, his teammates, and the people paying his undeserved salary.

Case closed.

[Prokorov]

Dwill isnt a serviceable point gaurd anymore. even if he does have stretches of great play but the inconsistency in both his production and his approach to the game (how agressive he is, looking to score, how active on D etc) makes it really hard to keep him on thef loor and continue to compete in games.

Id rather have a guy who i can count on for 13/7 and solid defense then have dwill occasional be a 20/10 guy or drop 30 or be player of the week but then go back to being a negative who doesnt score or defend and loses confidence in his shot.

Also, I find a flaw in your reasoning:

In utah deron had his worst stats as a rookie and his first years, and then peaked at the end of his tenure with utah

In NJ/BK deron had his best stats early on the first couple years, and has tailed off towards the end

this is a typical bell shaped career arc. and it usually stays a bell shape and doesnt turn into a series of waves

d-will is has left the prime of his career and is heading closer and closer to those role player/bench veteran years similar to a jameer nelson when he got that age.

[Jazzy13]

What are the Net fans thoughts on this possibility?
Waived/stretched

https://fansided.com/2015/05/05/deron-williams-waive-nets-pros-cons/

[Lamak]

Dwill isnt a serviceable point gaurd anymore. even if he does have stretches of great play but the inconsistency in both his production and his approach to the game (how agressive he is, looking to score, how active on D etc) makes it really hard to keep him on thef loor and continue to compete in games.

Id rather have a guy who i can count on for 13/7 and solid defense then have dwill occasional be a 20/10 guy or drop 30 or be player of the week but then go back to being a negative who doesnt score or defend and loses confidence in his shot.

Also, I find a flaw in your reasoning:

In utah deron had his worst stats as a rookie and his first years, and then peaked at the end of his tenure with utah

In NJ/BK deron had his best stats early on the first couple years, and has tailed off towards the end

this is a typical bell shaped career arc. and it usually stays a bell shape and doesnt turn into a series of waves

d-will is has left the prime of his career and is heading closer and closer to those role player/bench veteran years similar to a jameer nelson when he got that age.

I agree that his career arc is bell shaped, but am intrigued of the idea of him playing major minutes for an entire season injury free going forward. He did just tie his playoff career high with the 35 game.

[Shook Jones]

Den is tiring of Ty Lawson, Gallo is oft injured.

I would try and move Dwill and Plumlee plus a young player for Ty Lawson and take Gallo contract as sweetner.

[NyCeEvO]

Den is tiring of Ty Lawson, Gallo is oft injured.

I would try and move Dwill and Plumlee plus a young player for Ty Lawson and take Gallo contract as sweetner.

Why would DEN take on D-Will's contract when they can probably get a 1st rd pick for trading Lawson?

Denver should go into rebuild mode. I can see them liking Plumlee but I think any talks involving D-Will would kill the conversation.

[Prokorov]

I agree that his career arc is bell shaped, but am intrigued of the idea of him playing major minutes for an entire season injury free going forward. He did just tie his playoff career high with the 35 game.

That 35 point game was sandwiched between:

2 points in game 2
3 points in game 3
5 points in game 5

think about how horrible that is. thats 3 out of 6 games he scored 5 points or less.

he will also likely never play injury free. guys over 30 usually dont get healthier with time, especially since williams also struggles with a commitment to staying in shape. and even fi he was healthy, he simply isnt the same player he once was. i see him getting worse, not better. maybe even much worse. 11/5 for him next year wouldnt shock me

[MrDollarBills]

Lamak: Did you watch the games after the 35 point game?

He was TRASH.

[Prokorov]

Lamak: Did you watch the games after the 35 point game?

He was TRASH.

or the games before it?

[Lamak]

Lamak: Did you watch the games after the 35 point game?

He was TRASH.

or the games before it?

Yeah I watched them, he was injured half of the season, and was a backup the other 1/4 of the season, then played okay at the end of the regular season with a few decent games, and then had a playoff stinker except for the one magical 35 point game. He looked like he was obviously playing hurt or banged up in the playoffs. I also do know he had a career low 0 dunks this year.

I'm not trying to give the guy a pass, he definitely has been terrible compared to what we used to expect and now definitely by what he's getting paid. The main thing is unless we buy him out, I doubt anybody will trade for him, so I'm trying to imagine if he has anything left in the tank with Hollins at coach for a consecutive year.

[MrDollarBills]

He wasn't playing hurt, he was playing like a bitch

a man with a vagina

[NyCeEvO]

Lamak: Did you watch the games after the 35 point game?

He was TRASH.

or the games before it?

Yeah I watched them, he was injured half of the season, and was a backup the other 1/4 of the season, then played okay at the end of the regular season with a few decent games, and then had a playoff stinker except for the one magical 35 point game. He looked like he was obviously playing hurt or banged up in the playoffs. I also do know he had a career low 0 dunks this year.

I'm not trying to give the guy a pass, he definitely has been terrible compared to what we used to expect and now definitely by what he's getting paid. The main thing is unless we buy him out, I doubt anybody will trade for him, so I'm trying to imagine if he has anything left in the tank with Hollins at coach for a consecutive year.

The problem is we're in a lose-lose situation with D-Will

We honestly don't know if D-Will was injured for most of the season. If he was, then he is one of the most fragile NBA players I've ever seen because every time he goes to the floor he comes up grimacing. No matter what Collins does, a guy who is injured that often can't be relied upon or expected to progress to a certain level.

If he wasn't injured then there's less of an excuse for subpar play and it just means he doesn't want to be here.

Either way, his subpar play over the span of the entire season and playoffs is a major sign that he can't be relied upon either due to him being super injury-prone or him being disinterested. We gotta move on from him.

[Lamak]

Even though signs are pointing to that we might stretch his contract, I think it's interesting that his Utah days will be always known as his better days even though he put up similar numbers, but the team had more success in Utah compared to the Nets. I really do think it was just Sloan and the coaching scheme, and he's performed at about the same level, just injury prone and motivation issues.

[Paradise]

Even though signs are pointing to that we might stretch his contract, I think it's interesting that his Utah days will be always known as his better days even though he put up similar numbers, but the team had more success in Utah compared to the Nets. I really do think it was just Sloan and the coaching scheme, and he's performed at about the same level, just injury prone and motivation issues.

It's three factors.

In Utah:

1. Elite coaching / Flex offense

2. Him, his wife and kids enjoyed the Utah lifestyle

3. Less injuries

In NY:

1. Inconsistent Offense / Mediocre Coaching

2. Not enjoying the NY lifestyle / Spotlight

3. Much more Injuries


Those are the factors that led to his failure here and success in Utah but the reality is no matter how you slice it. Deron flat out got complacent after he got that max contract. Nobody will ever forgive him for it and nobody should.

[isekii]

He wasn't playing hurt, he was playing like a bitch

a man with a vagina

yea if he wants to put up points he can do so easily.

[MrDollarBills]

Paradise nailed it.

Complacency. Dude did not give a **** once he suckered the Nets into signing him to that albatross

[Prokorov]

Even though signs are pointing to that we might stretch his contract, I think it's interesting that his Utah days will be always known as his better days even though he put up similar numbers, but the team had more success in Utah compared to the Nets. I really do think it was just Sloan and the coaching scheme, and he's performed at about the same level, just injury prone and motivation issues.

he didnt perform at the same level here as he did in utah. you just arent looking at it closely enough.

the only thing that makes the numbers look close is that Deron was a rookie in Utah. rookies usually dont come in and drop 20/10 from day one. so dwills first couple years skew his numbers downwards. Also, his best years in utah came on a winning team in meaningful games. dwills best years on the nets came on tanking teams where he chucked and stat padded. his worst years here came in years where we were a playoff team.

also, his peak in utah was insanley higher then his peak here.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not sure how anyone could have seen the elite level Deron played at when he was in Utah and then compare that to the garbage we've seen since he got here. He has dogged it from the first day.