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Post#1041 » by shakendfries » Fri Jun 2, 2017 5:51 pm

Karate Diop wrote:As much as I'm onboard with what the organization has been doing lately... I really wish they'd try to develop RHJ as a SF rather than as a PF.

There's more short-term growing pains playing him at a SF but there's higher potential as well... The havoc he causes defensively on the perimeter is a joy to watch.


What's wrong with Rondae playing the SF role on defense & PF on offense? The league is becoming increasingly positionless anyway

If we went by traditional positions KD would be a PF


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Post#1042 » by Karate Diop » Fri Jun 2, 2017 6:13 pm

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Karate Diop wrote:As much as I'm onboard with what the organization has been doing lately... I really wish they'd try to develop RHJ as a SF rather than as a PF.

There's more short-term growing pains playing him at a SF but there's higher potential as well... The havoc he causes defensively on the perimeter is a joy to watch.


What's wrong with Rondae playing the SF role on defense & PF on offense? The league is becoming increasingly positionless anyway

If we went by traditional positions KD would be a PF

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That's not what happened last year though, and in your scenario this also forces your "SF" to defend the opposing team's "PF" which in most cases doesn't work.
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Post#1043 » by twosevenstreet » Fri Jun 2, 2017 6:25 pm

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Karate Diop wrote:As much as I'm onboard with what the organization has been doing lately... I really wish they'd try to develop RHJ as a SF rather than as a PF.

There's more short-term growing pains playing him at a SF but there's higher potential as well... The havoc he causes defensively on the perimeter is a joy to watch.


What's wrong with Rondae playing the SF role on defense & PF on offense? The league is becoming increasingly positionless anyway

If we went by traditional positions KD would be a PF

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That's not what happened last year though, and in your scenario this also forces your "SF" to defend the opposing team's "PF" which in most cases doesn't work.

That's exactly what happened last year, or to be more precise:
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Post#1044 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jun 2, 2017 8:19 pm

RHJ was defending whoever was necessary to step in front of on defense last year. He's fine at PF just needs to get stronger and add another tool to his offensive game (pull up mid range J hopefully)

Having a PG, SG, SF, and PF that can swarm and switch is what will keep us in every game next season regardless of Lopez.
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Post#1045 » by kamaze » Sat Jun 3, 2017 10:27 am

Marks said they need a small forward draft Kurucs and sign or trade for a starter while he gets more seasoning in europe.
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Post#1046 » by shakendfries » Sat Jun 3, 2017 1:30 pm

kamaze wrote:Marks said they need a small forward draft Kurucs and sign or trade for a starter while he gets more seasoning in europe.

Crabbe


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Post#1047 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 4, 2017 5:38 am

with crabbe, his defense is a concern. his 3pt shooting however, in a line up with Lin/LeVert/RHJ/Lopez, is pretty enticing.
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Post#1048 » by Claud » Sun Jun 4, 2017 4:48 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:with crabbe, his defense is a concern. his 3pt shooting however, in a line up with Lin/LeVert/RHJ/Lopez, is pretty enticing.



Crabbe is fools gold. We need at least 2 draft picks to take on his albatross contract for me to consider. I'd rather offer big contracts to KCP or Potter with our cap space over having Crabbe waste our cap for the next 3 years.
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Post#1049 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun Jun 4, 2017 6:36 pm

Claud wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:with crabbe, his defense is a concern. his 3pt shooting however, in a line up with Lin/LeVert/RHJ/Lopez, is pretty enticing.



Crabbe is fools gold. We need at least 2 draft picks to take on his albatross contract for me to consider. I'd rather offer big contracts to KCP or Potter with our cap space over having Crabbe waste our cap for the next 3 years.

I'd take just the 15th overall and 3 years of Crabbe on a heavily bloated salary over no pick and 4 years of 25% 1st max on KCP.

KCP is the definition of fool's gold himself. He's wildly inefficient and has little to no remaining upside. He's poor man's young Afflalolol about to get triple the overpay Afflalolol got coming off his rookie deal, even accounting for inflation/present cap context.

Yuck, yuck and more yuck.

Porter I love the idea of, but he's a pipedream. Again, I'm willing to bet $100+ that he doesn't even hit the market and if by chance he does Washington snap matches(well actually waits til the last hour to tie up said team's cap as long as they can lol) any offer.

I mean I'll literally bet anyone here $100 on that, we can throw the money in a PayPal that someone like NyCe, Rich, JG, or Prok, etc. has the password to and holds it in escrow. :wink:

Just give up the idea of Porter, guys... Even if Washington sees no way they keep him at max, they'll sign him or match him and trade him for value a year or so down the road. There will always be a positive value market for Porter as long as he doesn't have a major injury. Maybe even then. After he's locked up on max, say draft night 2018, the Wiz will still be able to get a minimum of a late lotto pick, salary relief in the form of half expiring, half cap for him and likely much more, even if his efficiency has likely regression.
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Post#1050 » by Prokorov » Mon Jun 5, 2017 11:10 am

Porter and KCP would both be enormous mistakes... worse then if portland didnt match crabbe.

id take crabbe with a pick though. but it would be at best 26. portland wont trade 15
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Post#1051 » by kamaze » Mon Jun 5, 2017 11:35 am

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Post#1052 » by twosevenstreet » Mon Jun 5, 2017 4:49 pm

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Post#1053 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jun 5, 2017 6:25 pm

twosevenstreet wrote:Am I the only person that doesn't find asian women attractive?


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Post#1054 » by shakendfries » Mon Jun 5, 2017 6:37 pm

twosevenstreet wrote:Am I the only person that doesn't find asian women attractive?


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Post#1055 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jun 5, 2017 7:46 pm

Prokorov wrote:Porter and KCP would both be enormous mistakes... worse then if portland didnt match crabbe.

id take crabbe with a pick though. but it would be at best 26. portland wont trade 15

I'd be borderline shocked if they can get straight up cap for Crabbe and the 26th.

Even an expiring for him, especially if that player is useful, will cost them at least the 20th imho. A really good player and you're talking multiple picks.

Have to wonder if this is how Lopez gets traded?

Something like Lopez/Booker for Crabbe/Leonard/15/20 and a 2018 1st?
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Post#1056 » by Prokorov » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:11 pm

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Prokorov wrote:Porter and KCP would both be enormous mistakes... worse then if portland didnt match crabbe.

id take crabbe with a pick though. but it would be at best 26. portland wont trade 15

I'd be borderline shocked if they can get straight up cap for Crabbe and the 26th.

Even an expiring for him, especially if that player is useful, will cost them at least the 20th imho. A really good player and you're talking multiple picks.

Have to wonder if this is how Lopez gets traded?

Something like Lopez/Booker for Crabbe/Leonard/15/20 and a 2018 1st?


that deal just makes no sense for portland. they have nurkic. brook doesnt move the needle. the deal doesnt get them under the cap. and they give up 3 picks which would be players cost controlled for 3 years. thats like a billy king trade.

why do that when they can do something like harkless/15 for #12 and then move davis for like 75% cap releive. get under the tax and land an impact player in the late lotto?

the trade you propose above to me is proposterous. they dont add players who move the needle, they dont put themsleves in good cap position, they trade THREE draft picks and they fill 0 needs.
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Post#1057 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:25 pm

Prokorov wrote:
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Prokorov wrote:Porter and KCP would both be enormous mistakes... worse then if portland didnt match crabbe.

id take crabbe with a pick though. but it would be at best 26. portland wont trade 15

I'd be borderline shocked if they can get straight up cap for Crabbe and the 26th.

Even an expiring for him, especially if that player is useful, will cost them at least the 20th imho. A really good player and you're talking multiple picks.

Have to wonder if this is how Lopez gets traded?

Something like Lopez/Booker for Crabbe/Leonard/15/20 and a 2018 1st?


that deal just makes no sense for portland. they have nurkic. brook doesnt move the needle. the deal doesnt get them under the cap. and they give up 3 picks which would be players cost controlled for 3 years. thats like a billy king trade.

why do that when they can do something like harkless/15 for #12 and then move davis for like 75% cap releive. get under the tax and land an impact player in the late lotto?

the trade you propose above to me is proposterous. they dont add players who move the needle, they dont put themsleves in good cap position, they trade THREE draft picks and they fill 0 needs.

I didn't realize how well Nurkic played for them after he was traded there.

But I really do hate how biased you are when it comes to Lopez. I get he's not a lead the team type of star. And I get his defense is suspect. I get his rebounding is subpar. But he definitely improves a good team and makes them that much more dangerous, especially if a team is lacking a center or big man in general and/or needs scoring punch.

Lopez on his own is probably worth right in that very late lotto to 20th pick range without taking back any salary, let alone taking back 3 years of truly terrible salary, to the tune of $89 million dollars.

Just shipping Portland an expiring for Crabbe and Leonard and we're talking like a borderline bad player on expiring, would cost them those 3 picks in all likelihood, at least 2 of them.
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Post#1058 » by Prokorov » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:38 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:I didn't realize how well Nurkic played for them after he was traded there.

But I really do hate how biased you are when it comes to Lopez. I get he's not a lead the team type of star. And I get his defense is suspect. I get his rebounding is subpar. But he definitely improves a good team and makes them that much more dangerous, especially if a team is lacking a center or big man in general and/or needs scoring punch.


portland barely made the playoffs. how does lopez really help that team? let alone help them so much in 1 season as a rental that its worth giving up 2 years of picks for him? and 3 picks in total? look i get im harder on lopez then maybe warranted... but that value is bananas. 3 picks?


Lopez on his own is probably worth right in that very late lotto to 20th pick range without taking back any salary, let alone taking back 3 years of truly terrible salary, to the tune of $89 million dollars.


they dont need us to take back that salary though.... and its a lose lose situation for them:

-if they let lopez walk they dunped 3 picks for a rental that probably still doesn get them out of the first round
-if they sing lopez they just locked themselves into 4 years of hopinh lillard/lopez/CJ can be a core that contends without any assets to build around them

Just shipping Portland an expiring for Crabbe and Leonard and we're talking like a borderline bad player on expiring, would cost them those 3 picks in all likelihood, at least 2 of them.


but they would never even consider that. it simply doesnt help them. you need to look at it from portlands perspective... what are they achieving. not what would it take to dump guys they dont need to dump.
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Post#1059 » by Papi_swav » Tue Jun 6, 2017 2:50 am

twosevenstreet wrote:Am I the only person that doesn't find asian women attractive?

Nope, you are not the only one bro... black and latino girls all day over here :nod:
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Post#1060 » by Prokorov » Tue Jun 6, 2017 11:01 am

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twosevenstreet wrote:Am I the only person that doesn't find asian women attractive?

Nope, you are not the only one bro... black and latino girls all day over here :nod:


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