guess i'm the only one...

[SV1113]

That loved our draft last night

We got excellent value on both of our selections last night: RHJ will be a defensvie beast and C-mac has excellent potential, these guys are players we should not have been able to obtain.

When I see people clamoring for Delon wright / Montrezl Harrel ive gotta ask myself have you watched either of them play? wright sucks and Harrell doesn't have any nba skill

The promise to McCollugh was smart because he probably returns to school without one, and he would've probably increased his draft stock provided he was healthy. He's nothing like thad at all, he has potenital as both a rebounder and shot blocker. I see more serge ibaka potential here then Thad Young

[Universe]

That loved our draft last night

We got excellent value on both of our selections last night: RHJ will be a defensvie beast and C-mac has excellent potential, these guys are players we should not have been able to obtain.

When I see people clamoring for Delon wright / Montrezl Harrel ive gotta ask myself have you watched either of them play? wright sucks and Harrell doesn't have any nba skill

The promise to McCollugh was smart because he probably returns to school without one, and he would've probably increased his draft stock provided he was healthy. He's nothing like thad at all, he has potenital as both a rebounder and shot blocker. I see more serge ibaka potential here then Thad Young

I like our draft but the promise would not have affected McCollugh going back or not. Syracuse is under probation and Jim will not even coach the first nine games. Another somewhat red flag to the pick was every other big we had targeted who was based off potential went undrafted (Wood, Upshaw, Alexander, Jaiteh).

Not sure if you reach on Brown or Mickey, then just go with Christmas in the second, but there were other options rather than drafting someone who won't be ready until November and then trading a good rebounding big for a small forward. Either way we got younger and these guys could surprise.

[MrDollarBills]

I think that King did a good job netting us 2 1st rd picks and getting us a Eurostash, I'm hoping McCollugh can develop properly.

No complaints here.

[CalamityX12]

A month or so ago I was interested in McCullough as a prospect... we're at 29, what are exactly people's expectations... if this guy can become close to a Lamar Odom for me, great... if not, its the 2nd to last pick in the first, again, what to expect?

Later I felt a little more concerned with the injury, perhaps influenced by posts here or there, so I wasn't seeing him as my #1 target...

The scenario last night provided better options IMO whether you were in Harrell camp, Brown camp or Looney camp.... but we went with potential and for that, we need to be patient.

Then I liked the ND pick, easily... I wanted Brown but he was gone(!!!) so Pat looked great.... then the trade happened.... lol

We ended up with RHJ, so I hope this whole defensive future everyone praises him about comes to fruition... and let his pts come in from fastbreaks and cuts to the rim... he'll need to develop a 3 pt shot, screw the mid range game, easier to go for 3....

[Claud]

Very solid night for us tbh... Was kinda bummed we included Pat for RHJ but he might not even play in the NBA... we will see. All 3 players are young athletic forwards which was a need so I am happy. Now we need a PG prospect, a shooter and back up center.

[Prokorov]

That loved our draft last night

We got excellent value on both of our selections last night: RHJ will be a defensvie beast and C-mac has excellent potential, these guys are players we should not have been able to obtain.

When I see people clamoring for Delon wright / Montrezl Harrel ive gotta ask myself have you watched either of them play? wright sucks and Harrell doesn't have any nba skill

The promise to McCollugh was smart because he probably returns to school without one, and he would've probably increased his draft stock provided he was healthy. He's nothing like thad at all, he has potenital as both a rebounder and shot blocker. I see more serge ibaka potential here then Thad Young

I watched a ton of harrell and he has plenty of NBA skills. outstanding defensively, excellent on the glass. he is like the defensive version of faried. up tempo all over the court only a very good defeder. elite finsiher and for a traditional PF he is excellent handling the ball especially in traffic. i see no reason why he couldnt be a poor mans kenyon martin or ben wallace.

But most of all, he is a culture changer. calling out his teammates for not working hard. saying that no one will out working him and then proving it on the floor. saying he never gives less then 110% and the day he does is the day he never plays again. a kid who truly believes in working hard. not to mention an excellent defender and athlete.

he was THE guy for me. of all 60 players taken, to me, the perfect player for brooklyn. clearly not the best, but the perfect fit. someone to change the attitude... some who is going to work hard and let you know when you arent. someone the fans would fall in love with, similar to the only other fan fovorite brooklyn has had, reggie evans.

We picked 29th. no one we get is likely to be more then a rotation player. Mccullough, sure maybe he boucnes back, but its not like the dude is some star in the waiting. he has a ton of flaws. if he was healthy, i would still be ho hum about the pick. to me he is like darius miles, super athletic and skilled a but, but really nothing else and no real part of his game that is anything special. notto knock him, same can be said about wright, harrell, wood, christmas, whomever....

but wiith harrell, you are building the team with the type of players who can change the attitude day to day. and here, to me at least, there is nothing more important then removing that cancerous lazy attitude from this team... which is WHY despite the value i really liked the RHJ trade

[Prokorov]

A month or so ago I was interested in McCullough as a prospect... we're at 29, what are exactly people's expectations... if this guy can become close to a Lamar Odom for me, great... if not, its the 2nd to last pick in the first, again, what to expect?

Later I felt a little more concerned with the injury, perhaps influenced by posts here or there, so I wasn't seeing him as my #1 target...

The scenario last night provided better options IMO whether you were in Harrell camp, Brown camp or Looney camp.... but we went with potential and for that, we need to be patient.

Then I liked the ND pick, easily... I wanted Brown but he was gone(!!!) so Pat looked great.... then the trade happened.... lol

We ended up with RHJ, so I hope this whole defensive future everyone praises him about comes to fruition... and let his pts come in from fastbreaks and cuts to the rim... he'll need to develop a 3 pt shot, screw the mid range game, easier to go for 3....

i dont care if he is prime odom if he doesnt turn his attitude and demeanor around. he will fit in great as a no effort bum here otherwise. to me i wanted high effort charecter guys who are ultra competitive. we got 1 of those, mccullough wasnt the one

[MrDollarBills]

That loved our draft last night

We got excellent value on both of our selections last night: RHJ will be a defensvie beast and C-mac has excellent potential, these guys are players we should not have been able to obtain.

When I see people clamoring for Delon wright / Montrezl Harrel ive gotta ask myself have you watched either of them play? wright sucks and Harrell doesn't have any nba skill

The promise to McCollugh was smart because he probably returns to school without one, and he would've probably increased his draft stock provided he was healthy. He's nothing like thad at all, he has potenital as both a rebounder and shot blocker. I see more serge ibaka potential here then Thad Young

I watched a ton of harrell and he has plenty of NBA skills. outstanding defensively, excellent on the glass. he is like the defensive version of faried. up tempo all over the court only a very good defeder. elite finsiher and for a traditional PF he is excellent handling the ball especially in traffic. i see no reason why he couldnt be a poor mans kenyon martin or ben wallace.

But most of all, he is a culture changer. calling out his teammates for not working hard. saying that no one will out working him and then proving it on the floor. saying he never gives less then 110% and the day he does is the day he never plays again. a kid who truly believes in working hard. not to mention an excellent defender and athlete.

he was THE guy for me. of all 60 players taken, to me, the perfect player for brooklyn. clearly not the best, but the perfect fit. someone to change the attitude... some who is going to work hard and let you know when you arent. someone the fans would fall in love with, similar to the only other fan fovorite brooklyn has had, reggie evans.

We picked 29th. no one we get is likely to be more then a rotation player. Mccullough, sure maybe he boucnes back, but its not like the dude is some star in the waiting. he has a ton of flaws. if he was healthy, i would still be ho hum about the pick. to me he is like darius miles, super athletic and skilled a but, but really nothing else and no real part of his game that is anything special. notto knock him, same can be said about wright, harrell, wood, christmas, whomever....

but wiith harrell, you are building the team with the type of players who can change the attitude day to day. and here, to me at least, there is nothing more important then removing that cancerous lazy attitude from this team... which is WHY despite the value i really liked the RHJ trade

Yeah, what I'm scared of are the reports of McCollugh being a low motor having bitch with a bum knee

low motor guys need to be BANNED from this team.

I would have taken Christmas or Harrell

[ecuhus1981]

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Well, I'm relieved at least I'm not the only one who feels less than enthused about this draft.

The Plumlee/McDonnaugh for Jefferson/Blake trade is not a blockbuster deal, but it's just such bad value return, and a backwards move for the way the NBA operates. Ask yourself this: which side of the trade would fit better on the Warriors?

Plumlee may not have been happy or even valuable in a reserve role, but he was worth more than trading up from 41 to 23. Hell, he was worth more than 23! It's like we just WANTED to give away the 41st pick. Then, I don't care if we have a Jack deal lined up, absorbing Blake should AT MINIMUM cost the Blazers a 2nd. After trading, we end up older, smaller, less athletic, MUCH worse in shooting and defense, and raise our cap number. I'm amazed that King could do this much wrong with this little to utilize!

I do feel a bit foolish being this bent about a small-time deal. But for the Nets, we won't have big-time trade assets with positive value for a looooooooooooooooooong time. We HAVE to hit home runs with all the little deals; this was a bunt to move our runner from 3rd to 2nd. Unless we hire Holger Geschwindner to coach Rondae and Steve steps into the fountain of youth, we screwed ourselves.

P.S. As for McCullough, I barely have any vitriole left for it. I think he's sneaky skilled and really athletic, but a moping, passive locker room presence is the last thing we need. I think Taj Gibson minus the motor is a good comparison, but then what is Taj without the motor?! Harrell would have been a culture changer.

[Universe]

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Well, I'm relieved at least I'm not the only one who feels less than enthused about this draft.

The Plumlee/McDonnaugh for Jefferson/Blake trade is not a blockbuster deal, but it's just such bad value return, and a backwards move for the way the NBA operates. Ask yourself this: which side of the trade would fit better on the Warriors?

Plumlee may not have been happy or even valuable in a reserve role, but he was worth more than trading up from 41 to 23. Hell, he was worth more than 23! It's like we just WANTED to give away the 41st pick. Then, I don't care if we have a Jack deal lined up, absorbing Blake should AT MINIMUM cost the Blazers a 2nd. After trading, we end up older, smaller, less athletic, MUCH worse in shooting and defense, and raise our cap number. I'm amazed that King could do this much wrong with this little to utilize!

I do feel a bit foolish being this bent about a small-time deal. But for the Nets, we won't have big-time trade assets with positive value for a looooooooooooooooooong time. We HAVE to hit home runs with all the little deals; this was a bunt to move our runner from 3rd to 2nd. Unless we hire Holger Geschwindner to coach Rondae and Steve steps into the fountain of youth, we screwed ourselves.

P.S. As for McCullough, I barely have any vitriole left for it. I think he's sneaky skilled and really athletic, but a moping, passive locker room presence is the last thing we need. I think Taj Gibson minus the motor is a good comparison, but then what is Taj without the motor?! Harrell would have been a culture changer.

We aren't the Warriors though. I'm a big Mason fan but trading our back-up center for a 20-year-old defensive small forward seems like a great use of assets. McCullough pick is questionable, but another asset to use if his knee heals properly.

[ecuhus1981]

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I'm not saying be EXACTLY like the Warriors. I'm just using it as a reference to winning basketball. It's a copycat league; in the near future, teams who don't take something from the Suns/Spurs/Warriors model will be the Washington Generals.

I enjoy watching Jefferson, but he MUST develop a J to be successful. Above that, it's just a matter of value. We gave ourselves an artificial timeline to offload Plumlee, perhaps to show Brook we're committed to him in order to re-sign him (?). Who knows what the final answer is; but in a vacuum, we hosed ourselves on draft night.

[Kaiser30]

The Plumlee/McDonnaugh for Jefferson/Blake trade is not a blockbuster deal, but it's just such bad value return, and a backwards move for the way the NBA operates. Ask yourself this: which side of the trade would fit better on the Warriors

That's an interesting but tough question. I think the trade is centered around Plumlee and Hollis-Jefferson but Blake and Connaughton are the guys who are easily a better fit on the Warriors because of 3-point shooting.
But between Plumlee and Hollis-Jefferson, I would actually say that Hollis-Jefferson is a better fit. They heavily relied on Igoudala because outside of him no other player was able to guard LeBron. And Iggy is a common comparison for RHJ. But obviously his lack of shooting would hurt and I think it's fair to say that he couldn't crack the rotation now, but easily as soon as he improves his jumpshot. Livingston is no 3-point shooter either but his midrange game is rocksolid.
Regarding Plumlee, keep in mind that they couldn't even keep Andrew Bogut on the floor and went super small with Dray Green at the 5. And Bogut is an extremely smart defender and passer and also athletic enough for an occasional lob pass. I don't see the need for a player like Plumlee on the Warriors.

But all in all, RHJ is the better fit on the Nets because the team was in dire need of an athletic wing defender while Plumlee was stuck behind Lopez.

[Paradise]

We're committed to building around Lopez and we all know the only way to successfully do that is by putting athletic defenders around him. What we're doing here is similar to Memphis rather than Golden State and last time I checked, Memphis was a nightmare Golden State in the second round.

Plumlee does nothing great at this stage of his career while RHJ is already regarded as an elite defender in college at only 19. Offense can always be improved. Kawhi Lenoard, Jimmy Butler and Trevor Ariza are examples of that. Defense is something that cannot always be taught and Plumlee is an example of that.

[NyCeEvO]

Draft day was ok for me. I'm not over the moon. I can see RHJ's potential and I hope he reaches it.

I think Pat can turn out to be a nice spot shooter which is something that we really need, so that left a little annoyed.

[MrDollarBills]

We've needed wing defenders badly, how many seasons have we watched guys get into the paint easily putting Lopez in an awful position?

[ecuhus1981]

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Everyone is saying we need wing defenders. Yeah, I agree. That's part of why giving up Pat Connaughton so cheaply draws my ire. Among other things, he was one of the best wing defenders in college last season.

[LOUiS-D]

We're committed to building around Lopez and we all know the only way to successfully do that is by putting athletic defenders around him. What we're doing here is similar to Memphis rather than Golden State and last time I checked, Memphis was a nightmare Golden State in the second round.

Plumlee does nothing great at this stage of his career while RHJ is already regarded as an elite defender in college at only 19. Offense can always be improved. Kawhi Lenoard, Jimmy Butler and Trevor Ariza are examples of that. Defense is something that cannot always be taught and Plumlee is an example of that.

Yeah, being a good defender, particularly a post defender requires the same kind of awareness as a PG. At any given time you might have multiple offensive threats and defensive responsibilities to deal with and the smallest windows of opportunity to be disruptive without giving someone an open lane or look.

Huge guys like Brook have a bit more leeway in interior situations because you can play straight up D, not foul and have as big an impact as a highly effective shot blocker. That's why he gets picked on so much in the pick and roll, because offenses want to get his feet moving. Smaller, more mobile guys like Mase have to be extra smart because if they try to do too much leveraging their quickness they end up leaving lanes wide open all over the place.

Having good perimeter defenders who can deny middle and shade drives, instead of being turnstiles will help Brook and the overall team defense a lot.

[Paradise]

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Everyone is saying we need wing defenders. Yeah, I agree. That's part of why giving up Pat Connaughton so cheaply draws my ire. Among other things, he was one of the best wing defenders in college last season.

It seems like we traded the 41st pick to Portland and drafted Connaughton for them to complete the trade. Either way, I hope we can find a way to add him to this team sometime in the future. He's going to be a real good role player.

[Prokorov]

We're committed to building around Lopez and we all know the only way to successfully do that is by putting athletic defenders around him. What we're doing here is similar to Memphis rather than Golden State and last time I checked, Memphis was a nightmare Golden State in the second round.

I agree... and i like having RHJ here, but as far as the point about value, he has a point. that was really poor value. at the very least we shouldnt have had to include the 41 pick along with mason. in my mind if it was mason for RHJ/Blake/2nd or future pick that should have been the least we gave mason up for to have gotten fair value... im not going to make a big stink because at the end of the day RHJ is a better fit for this team

Plumlee does nothing great at this stage of his career while RHJ is already regarded as an elite defender in college at only 19. Offense can always be improved. Kawhi Lenoard, Jimmy Butler and Trevor Ariza are examples of that. Defense is something that cannot always be taught and Plumlee is an example of that.

I feel like this is really unfair. first off id say plumlee does in fact do something well. he is an elite finisher and rim rummer. its nto the same as being a great player but to say he doesnt do anything great is kind of inaccurate...

second Kawaii leonard was a very good offensive player in college. Jimmy butler was a really good offensive player at marquette. RHJ wasnt near those guys offensively at the college level. so im not sure its a fair comparison... Ariza might be a decent one though.

I think ariza is probably RHJ's likely ceiling/upside, not Kawai or butler... and if he turned out to be ariza id be thrilled. thats not a bad thing. we need some trevor ariza's on this team

[Prokorov]

Draft day was ok for me. I'm not over the moon. I can see RHJ's potential and I hope he reaches it.

I think Pat can turn out to be a nice spot shooter which is something that we really need, so that left a little annoyed.

i dont really get why people are up in arms on that... he wasnt going to play here, if he did it would ave been like a spot 5 minutes every few games. the guy went mid second round for a reason. alot of guys can shoot, but that doesnt mean they can get their shot off in the nba or not be such a big liability everywhere else that their shooting gets overshadowed. even the elite spot up guys struggle to find their nitche in the nba (ferdette, reddick, langdon, respert, morrisson) high draft picks who just couldnt get floor time despite great shooting... reddick is the only one who did, and pat was no JJ.