New Jack City: Official Jarrett Jack Thread

[Net Sentence]

i figured I should be the one who makes this. LOL

Jack has been nothing short of awesome lately. He started the season off slow but over his last 5 games he has been running this offense really well.

Jacks #s from 11/14 to 11/22

33.6 min

18.2 Pts (19.5/36)
7.0 Ast (7.5/36)
4.2 Reb (4.5/36)
49.2% FG
44.4% 3pt

[MrDollarBills]

Jack has been beasting. This is the leadership that is needed even if he is horrific defensively.

[Net Sentence]

Jack has been beasting. This is the leadership that is needed even if he is horrific defensively.

He is graded as the 2nd best on the team holding his man -0.7 below what they normally shoot. That's not saying much on our team but that makes him a little bit better then neutral defender

[jbeachboy]

his defense looked bad tonight against thomas and bradley , but he seems to be competing out there on defense. i just hope he gets more aggressive on defense because he he has surpassed my expectations.

[Prokorov]

Jack has been beasting. This is the leadership that is needed even if he is horrific defensively.

He is graded as the 2nd best on the team holding his man -0.7 below what they normally shoot. That's not saying much on our team but that makes him a little bit better then neutral defender

not to say he has been good or bad defensively, but i dont really value that stat much, especially when its the only stat. especially in a league where team defense is what really matters.

defensive RAPM hasnt be posted yet, but that and PPP allowed are really the gold standard for defensive stats. FG% allowed is really not all that great an indicator. especially since it only take scoring into account, and not offense generated. for example your man could blow by you all game, forcing help, leading to wide open dunks and 3s, and that wouldnt show up in your stat.

overall, jack has been a pleasnt suprise. he is playing like an above average PG and even a very good one at times. hopefully that is a seaosn long trend and not just a small sample abberation

[MrDollarBills]

Jack's defense has been horrible but not because he isn't exerting effort, he just has low IQ on the defensive side and gets lost easily

[Net Sentence]

Jack's defense has been horrible but not because he isn't exerting effort, he just has low IQ on the defensive side and gets lost easily

That's based on nothing but conjecture. His IQ is probably the highest on the team hence why he is considered a coach in waiting.

[Net Sentence]

Jack has been beasting. This is the leadership that is needed even if he is horrific defensively.

He is graded as the 2nd best on the team holding his man -0.7 below what they normally shoot. That's not saying much on our team but that makes him a little bit better then neutral defender

not to say he has been good or bad defensively, but i dont really value that stat much, especially when its the only stat. especially in a league where team defense is what really matters.

defensive RAPM hasnt be posted yet, but that and PPP allowed are really the gold standard for defensive stats. FG% allowed is really not all that great an indicator. especially since it only take scoring into account, and not offense generated. for example your man could blow by you all game, forcing help, leading to wide open dunks and 3s, and that wouldnt show up in your stat.

overall, jack has been a pleasnt suprise. he is playing like an above average PG and even a very good one at times. hopefully that is a seaosn long trend and not just a small sample abberation

Very few, if any, PGs are known as good defenders. I agree that team defense is what matters and that starts with the frontcourt players. PG success is based on offensive production first and foremost and that is why you rarely see someone considered a defensive specialist at PG but you see it at every other position. With today's no hand checking rules and the use of PnR it's nearly impossible to stop dribble penetration with one defender, it's a team effort.

[NyCeEvO]

Jack's defense has been horrible but not because he isn't exerting effort, he just has low IQ on the defensive side and gets lost easily

That's based on nothing but conjecture. His IQ is probably the highest on the team hence why he is considered a coach in waiting.

It's hilarious how you say his statement is based on conjecture and then the very next statement you make is conjecture.

[Net Sentence]

Jack's defense has been horrible but not because he isn't exerting effort, he just has low IQ on the defensive side and gets lost easily

That's based on nothing but conjecture. His IQ is probably the highest on the team hence why he is considered a coach in waiting.

It's hilarious how you say his statement is based on conjecture and then the very next statement you make is conjecture.

LOL

Defense is something quantifiable. There are stats that prove he isnt a bad defender which I posted.

BBIQ is purely based on opinion.

[MrDollarBills]

Jack's defense has been horrible but not because he isn't exerting effort, he just has low IQ on the defensive side and gets lost easily

That's based on nothing but conjecture. His IQ is probably the highest on the team hence why he is considered a coach in waiting.

dude I watch Jack all the time on defense, he is trying but he gets lost very easily when it comes to screens and guys blow right by him.

PG is by far the toughest position to defend but still, he's a bad defender. I just credit him for being active.

on the defensive side RHJ's IQ is the highest the team. the guy has an excellent sense of where to be at all times on defense and is near masterful at playing the passing lanes at only 20 years old. I'd say with Jack he could be a coach in the waiting based on how he is one on one with players and his aggressive approach to the game it doesn't necessarily mean that he has a high basketball IQ because even despite his great play Jack will miss a lot of good assist opportunities because he has tunnel vision at times.

I don't want to try to pick him apart because I think he is playing some really awesome basketball right now despite our record, but he is not a very good defender.

[MrDollarBills]

That's based on nothing but conjecture. His IQ is probably the highest on the team hence why he is considered a coach in waiting.

It's hilarious how you say his statement is based on conjecture and then the very next statement you make is conjecture.

LOL

Defense is something quantifiable. There are stats that prove he isnt a bad defender which I posted.

BBIQ is purely based on opinion.

what about DBPM?

[Net Sentence]

It's hilarious how you say his statement is based on conjecture and then the very next statement you make is conjecture.

LOL

Defense is something quantifiable. There are stats that prove he isnt a bad defender which I posted.

BBIQ is purely based on opinion.

what about DBPM?

Plus Minus isnt a good individual analysis stat since 80% of it is derived from the 4 other guys on the floor.

Here is the equation for DBPM =

Raw O/D BPM = a*ReMPG + b*ORB% + c*DRB% + d*STL% + e*BLK% + f*AST% - g*USG%*TO% +
h*USG%*(1-TO%)*[2*(TS% - TmTS%) + i*AST% + j*(3PAr - Lg3PAr) - k] + l*sqrt(AST%*TRB%)

When you are able to explain every component of it then I will consider it as a significant metric. FG% is pretty damn easy to figure out = FGM/FGA. If someone normally shoots 50% and is held to 49% I can understand that. I dont have an engineering degree, nor am I a rocket scientist so the above equation means very little to me.

[CalamityX12]

I tell you this, there'll be nearly 20 pgs taken for defensive purposes over Jack at the PG position...

He's trying, that what we can ask for but i'm not anointing him as average defensively by the eye test.

[MrDollarBills]

LOL

Defense is something quantifiable. There are stats that prove he isnt a bad defender which I posted.

BBIQ is purely based on opinion.

what about DBPM?

Plus Minus isnt a good individual analysis stat since 80% of it is derived from the 4 other guys on the floor.

Here is the equation for DBPM =

Raw O/D BPM = a*ReMPG + b*ORB% + c*DRB% + d*STL% + e*BLK% + f*AST% - g*USG%*TO% +
h*USG%*(1-TO%)*[2*(TS% - TmTS%) + i*AST% + j*(3PAr - Lg3PAr) - k] + l*sqrt(AST%*TRB%)

When you are able to explain every component of it then I will consider it as a significant metric. FG% is pretty damn easy to figure out = FGM/FGA. If someone normally shoots 50% and is held to 49% I can understand that. I dont have an engineering degree, nor am I a rocket scientist so the above equation means very little to me.

I'm not a math wiz either but Jack is -2 while RHJ is a +3 defense and you can clearly see he is our best defender and the Nets are a different team defensively when he's on the floor. I think Bargs is a -4 DBPM which sounds about right since every time he steps on the floor he is abysmal on the defensive end. The stat vibes with the eyeball test at the very least to me in this regard.

I guess we'll have to wait for the "gold standard" metrics since I can't find the ones Prok talked about.

[jbeachboy]

jack looks like he is putting more effort into his defense but he doesnt have the greatest defensive iq . he looks like he is trying more though.

[Net Sentence]

what about DBPM?

Plus Minus isnt a good individual analysis stat since 80% of it is derived from the 4 other guys on the floor.

Here is the equation for DBPM =

Raw O/D BPM = a*ReMPG + b*ORB% + c*DRB% + d*STL% + e*BLK% + f*AST% - g*USG%*TO% +
h*USG%*(1-TO%)*[2*(TS% - TmTS%) + i*AST% + j*(3PAr - Lg3PAr) - k] + l*sqrt(AST%*TRB%)

When you are able to explain every component of it then I will consider it as a significant metric. FG% is pretty damn easy to figure out = FGM/FGA. If someone normally shoots 50% and is held to 49% I can understand that. I dont have an engineering degree, nor am I a rocket scientist so the above equation means very little to me.

I'm not a math wiz either but Jack is -2 while RHJ is a +3 defense and you can clearly see he is our best defender and the Nets are a different team defensively when he's on the floor. I think Bargs is a -4 DBPM which sounds about right since every time he steps on the floor he is abysmal on the defensive end. The stat vibes with the eyeball test at the very least to me in this regard.

I guess we'll have to wait for the "gold standard" metrics since I can't find the ones Prok talked about.

I wouldnt consider Jack a good defender but he isnt a bad one either. People want to hate on him though and I think it peeves them that he isnt playing poorly like many predicted.

RHJ is a defensive play maker and it is quantified in his steals and defensive rebounds. I dont know where to find it but I also bet RHJ averages the most tips and deflections on the team.

[jbeachboy]

Plus Minus isnt a good individual analysis stat since 80% of it is derived from the 4 other guys on the floor.

Here is the equation for DBPM =

Raw O/D BPM = a*ReMPG + b*ORB% + c*DRB% + d*STL% + e*BLK% + f*AST% - g*USG%*TO% +
h*USG%*(1-TO%)*[2*(TS% - TmTS%) + i*AST% + j*(3PAr - Lg3PAr) - k] + l*sqrt(AST%*TRB%)

When you are able to explain every component of it then I will consider it as a significant metric. FG% is pretty damn easy to figure out = FGM/FGA. If someone normally shoots 50% and is held to 49% I can understand that. I dont have an engineering degree, nor am I a rocket scientist so the above equation means very little to me.

I'm not a math wiz either but Jack is -2 while RHJ is a +3 defense and you can clearly see he is our best defender and the Nets are a different team defensively when he's on the floor. I think Bargs is a -4 DBPM which sounds about right since every time he steps on the floor he is abysmal on the defensive end. The stat vibes with the eyeball test at the very least to me in this regard.

I guess we'll have to wait for the "gold standard" metrics since I can't find the ones Prok talked about.

I wouldnt consider Jack a good defender but he isnt a bad one either. People want to hate on him though and I think it peeves them that he isnt playing poorly like many predicted.

RHJ is a defensive play maker and it is quantified in his steals and defensive rebounds. I dont know where to find it but I also bet RHJ averages the most tips and deflections on the team.

im happy jack is doing well and im surprised by his play. if i wanted to see jack do bad cause i wanted to see donald sloan play. but jack is 32 and he is raising his trade value cause he isnt part of the future here.

[Ror1997]

Jack hopefully can play well enough to convince a team to trade a late 1st round draft pick for him

[jbeachboy]

shane larkin is 28th in point guard rating in real plus minus playing 17 minutes a game

jack is 36th in point guard rating in league at 32 minutes a game.



mike conley is 9th in plus minus among point guards at 31 minutes a game.

schroeder is 35th at 24 minutes a game.


teague is 25 at 30 minutes a game