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The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#1 » by Paradise » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:49 am

It's the elephant in the room at this point.


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I know some other Nets fans think Hollins is the reason for everything wrong with the Nets when we all know better than that but he has been consistently exposed in close games time after time. His inability to create smart plays has been showing, It's either Joe or Jack taking an Isolated jumper. Hollins has never drawn up anything else. His rotation patterns are absolutely puzzling and like I said earlier, It seems like he has something against utilizing anyone capable of playing defense.

Willie reed has been showing enough signs to get more minutes at backup C but instead Bargnani consistently gets minutes despite how awful his defense is. Markel Brown is another prime example of that. He finished with 7 points, 5 rebounds in 17 minutes against the Clippers meanwhile he gets 10 minutes against Orlando and 3 minutes against Miami. When asked about it, he mentioned goes with how the flow of the game referencing Brown and Sloan as a one trick pony on defense but apparently that doesn't apply to Bargnani, Ellington who are only good at one thing on offense...barely at that. We know about the situation with RHJ that already made him look bad especially seeing how good he is already. To his defense, he's been dealt a awfully bad hand with this roster and overall pick situation. Yes, Hollins should get credit for the toughness and competitive spirit of this team compared to last year but here's the reality of the situation: We have a defensive minded coach who refuses to develop defensive oriented players and as we already know, he can't coach offense and does not believe in the three point shot as we are dead last in attempts per game.

Should Lionel be fired or should he be given a chance to coach a much better roster?
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Post#2 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:16 am

The lack of talent falls onto King's lap. The lack of communication and the confusion by the players is all Hollins because they looked confused vs Orlando as well

His one merit is that he gets the team to compete. But the offensive sets are pretty much stagnant. Rotations are iffy but there's no perfect combination on this team when all three of your wing players that are available suck.

I can find fault in him not playing Brown when Wade was tearing up Bojan. Brown has played pretty well and shows signs of improvement. Let the guy play especially since no other guard on the team outside of Larkin and Jack are worth a damn.
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#3 » by Prokorov » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:12 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:The lack of talent falls onto King's lap. The lack of communication and the confusion by the players is all Hollins because they looked confused vs Orlando as well

His one merit is that he gets the team to compete. But the offensive sets are pretty much stagnant. Rotations are iffy but there's no perfect combination on this team when all three of your wing players that are available suck.

I can find fault in him not playing Brown when Wade was tearing up Bojan. Brown has played pretty well and shows signs of improvement. Let the guy play especially since no other guard on the team outside of Larkin and Jack are worth a damn.


yeah, i mean his z's and o's might be lacking but he is still playing chess with checkers, and losing RHJ certainly doesnt help that situation.

Firing him seems pretty crazy to me, considering he is the only person who has got this team to play with effort since we have moved to brooklyn and has had jack, thad, and Brook all playing their best basketball of their careers under him.

we can complain about a few games he might of cost us late, but how many have we won on effort alone? we have bottom 3 talent and are the worst team in the league as far as "fit" is concerned. we dont have a single, consistent, reliable player on the entire roster other then maybe thad. We feature the most negative player in the game in Bargani. we have backups starting/playing big mintues up and down the roster.

Hollins is an easy target. firing him for late game stuff? silly. especially when you want to build a culture, and he has been great turning this place from a low effort group of prima donnas into a team that fights for 48 minutes every night
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#4 » by CalamityX12 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:47 pm

Losing RHJ means nothing, that was, from accounts, the FO desire to push more minutes for RHJ to play. That wasn't on Lionel's direct call. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

The talent isn't mind blowing but the game play and substitution, the lineups, the in game decisions, have been just as bad.

We talk about brining in these top tier FAs but would anyone be surprised to suddenly see their offensive output get handicapped?
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#5 » by Keith Van Horn » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:56 pm

We need to ask a question like this, if Hollins were coaching the Spurs, how successful/terrible would the Spurs be?

If the answer is successful, then we know where the root of the problem lies.

I know a question like this isn't the be-all-end-all solution to a basketball team's problems, but it's a telling factor.
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Post#6 » by CalamityX12 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:32 pm

Hollins denial of accountability gives me no leash for him and his defense.
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#7 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:55 pm

I would deny accountability as well after watching how god awful Johnson/Bogdanovic/Ellington have performed. Our team's best wing players are RHJ and Markel Brown. That's NOT good despite the fact that those kids give max effort every time they hit the floor.
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#8 » by jbeachboy » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:07 pm

just let hollins play his contract out but i think its unfair for him until he can get a better roster. he is really bad this year with adjustments, defensive adjustments , and the offense looks really inept at times. i thought the nets really played well in first half and really sharing the ball and playing good defense. miami hit alot of tough shots from winslow, green, but then wade was doing 1 on 1 and hollins did nothing. i dont like firing coaches too often because it looks bad especially when the roster has major flaws. i see if nets can add some more talent and then see what hollins does before firing him. let him play out his contract and decide then.
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#9 » by CalamityX12 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:26 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I would deny accountability as well after watching how god awful Johnson/Bogdanovic/Ellington have performed. Our team's best wing players are RHJ and Markel Brown. That's NOT good despite the fact that those kids give max effort every time they hit the floor.

the aforementioned have been downright awful yes!

Is that a good enough excuse for Hollins to not improve or find ways to make it work. Can we say that Hollins has put JJ, Bogs n Ellington(maybe Ellington considering role) in the best positions to succeed? lineups? minutues?

Can we say that Hollins is trying new off/def sets/schemes to aid or cover the poor poo poo display but these guys?
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#10 » by jbeachboy » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:48 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I would deny accountability as well after watching how god awful Johnson/Bogdanovic/Ellington have performed. Our team's best wing players are RHJ and Markel Brown. That's NOT good despite the fact that those kids give max effort every time they hit the floor.

the aforementioned have been downright awful yes!

Is that a good enough excuse for Hollins to not improve or find ways to make it work. Can we say that Hollins has put JJ, Bogs n Ellington(maybe Ellington considering role) in the best positions to succeed? lineups? minutues?

Can we say that Hollins is trying new off/def sets/schemes to aid or cover the poor poo poo display but these guys?






more minutes should be given to markel . Hollins needs to limit bojan , Johnson and ellingtons minutes depending how they play. he also needs to use markel on the best guard or forward for the other team.
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Post#11 » by Prokorov » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:03 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:Losing RHJ means nothing, that was, from accounts, the FO desire to push more minutes for RHJ to play. That wasn't on Lionel's direct call. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

The talent isn't mind blowing but the game play and substitution, the lineups, the in game decisions, have been just as bad.

We talk about brining in these top tier FAs but would anyone be surprised to suddenly see their offensive output get handicapped?



i cant agree... i no way are his decisions just as bad as the talent. the talent is non exsistant. we dont have a wing on this team worthy of big minutes/starting, we have a backup at PG, we have 0 front court depth.... this roster is terrible.

bad lineups? thats inevitable. im still waiting for someone to give me a good lineup. we have seen this board lobby for 12 guys and others flame those same 12 guys

offensive output handicapped? why? if anything id expect the opposite. look what jack/thad/lopez have done offensively under hollins
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Post#12 » by Prokorov » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:04 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I would deny accountability as well after watching how god awful Johnson/Bogdanovic/Ellington have performed. Our team's best wing players are RHJ and Markel Brown. That's NOT good despite the fact that those kids give max effort every time they hit the floor.

the aforementioned have been downright awful yes!

Is that a good enough excuse for Hollins to not improve or find ways to make it work. Can we say that Hollins has put JJ, Bogs n Ellington(maybe Ellington considering role) in the best positions to succeed? lineups? minutues?

Can we say that Hollins is trying new off/def sets/schemes to aid or cover the poor poo poo display but these guys?


there is no best position to succeed. any lineup has them next ot bad offensive and defensive players
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#13 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:24 pm

I think you at least give Hollins this year because firing him now is not going to make things better IMO.

Paul Westphal is the lead assistant and he was a pretty bad head coach. Firing Hollins is not going to bring up some new talent with keen eye on what's been going wrong.

If they fire King, a new GM will be able to assess what they think of Hollins. However, I'm also sure that a new GM would be quite enamored with Thibs, who will have had a year off to think about some of his bad habits and finetune his strengths.

I'd love to get Thibs in here. Not only does he get his guys to play hard, he actually knows the inner workings of the most effective defenses. It'd be awesome to get him with a top offensive assistant coach.
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Post#14 » by shakendfries » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:25 pm

macgyver893 wrote:We need to ask a question like this, if Hollins were coaching the Spurs, how successful/terrible would the Spurs be?

If the answer is successful, then we know where the root of the problem lies.

I know a question like this isn't the be-all-end-all solution to a basketball team's problems, but it's a telling factor.


We need to ask questions like this, if Greg Poppovich was coaching the Nets, would they still be 7-15? Yes, probably.

This roster is ass and no amount of ball movement is gonna change that. You don't set up a bevy of screens for Bojan like he's Klay Thompson if he can't be trusted to hit his wide buttf0ck open shots in the first place. The Nets PR judo flip of blaming the coach is gettting ridiculous at this point. Who's gonna want to coach this team with an incompetent GM that fires coaches when the GM himself has failed to put together a team that has been in the top 10 of any statistical category in the past 5 seasons. Which free agent is gonna rush to join the Nets if their FO is in constant upheaval...I'll wait...
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#15 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:31 pm

Thibs is not coming here to deal with Billy King's afterbirth next season unless Mikhail makes him the highest paid coach in NBA history AND gives him full control of the roster decisions.

At least if I was Thibs, that's what I'd require.
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#16 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:03 pm

Prokorov wrote:
CalamityX12 wrote:Losing RHJ means nothing, that was, from accounts, the FO desire to push more minutes for RHJ to play. That wasn't on Lionel's direct call. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

The talent isn't mind blowing but the game play and substitution, the lineups, the in game decisions, have been just as bad.

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i cant agree... i no way are his decisions just as bad as the talent. the talent is non exsistant. we dont have a wing on this team worthy of big minutes/starting, we have a backup at PG, we have 0 front court depth.... this roster is terrible.

bad lineups? thats inevitable. im still waiting for someone to give me a good lineup. we have seen this board lobby for 12 guys and others flame those same 12 guys

offensive output handicapped? why? if anything id expect the opposite. look what jack/thad/lopez have done offensively under hollins


The roster's impotency compounds any mistakes Hollins makes so everything looks seriously bad.

I don't think anyone can maximize this roster. The NBA is a perimeter oriented league now and when 3 of your wings are horrible(jj/boj/ellington) and the other two can't shoot (RHJ/Brown, even though he has looked better there), there's nothing doing.

Our PG situation, which we thought was going to be the thing that tanked this team is hardly an issue since for the most part Jack/Larkin, although back ups, have done a decent job this year. The fact that JJ/Boj/Ellington are SCRUBS is the core reason as to why this team can't do ****. if these guys were hitting shots the entire team would look a lot different.
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Post#17 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:19 pm

As much as I hate to post news from "that blog", Bobby Windrem dropped this one earlier:

It was 10 days ago that TASS, the big Russian news agency, quoted a Nets source that Lionel Hollins will be dismissed as coach of the Nets as soon as management can find a replacement.

TASS reporter Andrei Kartashov, a well known and respected Russian journalist, credited a single "team source familiar with the situation" for the story.

"The coach's credibility is at an end, " Kartashov quotes the "team source" as saying. "The club is already looking for a replacement."

Both ownership and management strongly denied the report, calling it "inaccurate" and "wrong."

But wait, there are some intriguing, unreported aspects to Kartashov's report. It was datelined New York, not Moscow, and in fact, Kartashov was in New York with ample opportunity to talk to sources in ownership. Turns out that the night before he posted the story, Kartashov was a guest in Mikhail Prokhorov's suite, watching the Nets-Warriors game. Kartashov in fact was around for several days.


This could be conjecture, but the 10 day timeline and with the blatant communications break down over the last two contests, there could be smoke here.

Plus...Hollins attempted to throw the players under the bus, and the players threw him under the bus. But yet, the team still played hard so I don't know what is going on

I hope they are looking for King's replacement 1st. He's the one that needs to fall on his sword first.
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#18 » by Keith Van Horn » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:32 pm

I'm whatever at this point. The whole organization needs a do over.

If Hollins goes, King MUST go too. I want a brand new group of people running this team.
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Post#19 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:52 pm

I want King to go first but those tweets that Paradise posted in the OP are pretty damning.

Hollins really threw his players under the bus there suggesting that they should know what to do. If the players should automatically know what to do in tight situations, why do they need you there at all?

I like the fact that the team plays harder but I don't think RHJ or Larkin needed to be told to play hard. RHJ has always wanted to prove himself and Larkin has had a chip on his shoulder since PJax talked about his tiny hands lol.

It wouldn't surprise me at all that if he's not gone during the season, him and Billy would get the boot simultaneously and can walk out of the office arm in arm.
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Re: The "Should Lionel Hollins Be Fired?" Thread 

Post#20 » by jbeachboy » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:26 pm

at least with thibs we would be a much better defensive team although he gets knocked for wearing out his players with too many minutes. thibs was interested with nets before the bulls job opened up.

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