Rudy Gay at PF?

hood30 · Post #1 » by **hood30** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:34 pm

Should Nets trade for Rudy Gay....Good idea or bad idea?

Looking at this Brooklyn Nets team, I fail to see how they are going to put some point on the board and I see a huge need for a third scorer beside Lopez and Lin.

I see Lopez averaging 20 or more points...Lin will probably be between 15-18 point per game...But after that, I really can't see anyone scoring more than 11-12 ppg....Booker? RHJ?..Maybe Bogs but he's just a shooter and can't create his own shot well enough.

Brooklyn doesn't have very attractive asset to give Sacramento, but Brooklyn does have plenty of cap space, something only a few team still have.

This crucial cap space would allow the Nets to swallow Gay's contract without the need to sent equal assets back to Sacmento....

Sacramento may also prefer to not take any player/money back so to have more cap space room for future trade or signing in next free agency.

Net offering Kings 1 of Bogs/Kilpatrick may be enough to swing a deal....I personally would love to keep Bogs and his shooting and let them have Kilpatrick.

Rudy Gay has an opt-out clause for next year which he will likely excessive...therefore, even if things doesn't work out, Gay's money will be off Brooklyn's book....Brooklyn could even trade him before trading dead-line for a draft pick since teams are more desperate during that time

So, when you look a it closely, it's a win-win all around...

The line-up below would look vastly better with better spacing and scoring:

Lin....16ppg...7 assist
Bogs....12ppg...2 assist.
RHJ.....10ppg....7 reboun
Gay......17ppg....7rebound
Lopez.....20ppg....8rebound

I could see this team sneaking into the playoff with the 8th seed.

jbeachboy · Post #2 » by **jbeachboy** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:52 pm

i rather give up bogdanovic than kilpatrick, rudy gay usually makes teams worse , plus he would struggle against more physical big men when gay has always been a small forward type. we dont have what sacramento would offer anyway.

lets just stick with booker and scola for meantime and hopefully mccullough and bennett become decent. maybe trevor booker becomes established starter.

hood30 · Post #3 » by **hood30** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:04 pm

jbeachboy wrote:i rather give up bogdanovic than kilpatrick, rudy gay usually makes teams worse , plus he would struggle against more physical big men when gay has always been a small forward type. we dont have what sacramento would offer anyway.

lets just stick with booker and scola for meantime and hopefully mccullough and bennett become decent. maybe trevor booker becomes established starter.

I doubt Rudy Gay could possibly make this Brooklyn team worst...You would have a tough time convincing anyone of that, considering how bad the projected starting 5 looks and everybody pretty much predicting Brooklyn to be among the worst team in the league.

Rudy Gay played 58% of his minutes at PF, so he has plenty of experience there..Not only that, but according to NylonCalculus, Gay averaged 18ppg and about 8 rebound while playing PF...More than enough for me.

In case of a trade for Gay, I'd rather keep Bogs simply because every team need the level of shooting he can produce..If things doesn't work out, just trade him at the dead-line.

Gay is a huge upgrade to Booker...I see no way you can possibly be worst replacing a guy that can't shoot and won't average no more than 10ppg.

Papi_swav · Post #4 » by **Papi_swav** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:29 pm

I been saying this for so long now, sounds like a broken record. Is it a good idea? yes but I believe that ship has sailed and I dont think Marks want him , if he did we would of had him I'm sure. I wouldnt give up any asset, not even Kilpatrick or Bogs because Rudy Gay will be a rental and will opt out in a year. In fact, I might ask for a 2nd round pick in return for giving the Kings cap space.

We definitely need a 3rd scorer and he would be good for that, cant see how he would make us any worse like some of you guys keep saying, were barely a 20 win team and he isnt going to hurt anybody development, CMC is not ready and we barely have a legit Small forward with good size besides Bogs but he is non existent on defense. I'm sure he can win us like 4 or 5 more games lol. I don't think Marks really cares about us making the playoffs next year, he's just going to roll with the guys we have and see who steps their game up. I don't know who that will be though. Blahhh

hood30 · Post #5 » by **hood30** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:02 pm

Papi_swav wrote:I been saying this for so long now, sounds like a broken record. Is it a good idea? yes but I believe that ship has sailed and I dont think Marks want him , if he did we would of had him I'm sure. I wouldnt give up any asset, not even Kilpatrick or Bogs because Rudy Gay will be a rental and will opt out in a year. In fact, I might ask for a 2nd round pick in return for giving the Kings cap space.

We definitely need a 3rd scorer and he would be good for that, cant see how he would make us any worse like some of you guys keep saying, were barely a 20 win team and he isnt going to hurt anybody development, CMC is not ready and we barely have a legit Small forward with good size besides Bogs but he is non existent on defense. I'm sure he can win us like 4 or 5 more games lol. I don't think Marks really cares about us making the playoffs next year, he's just going to roll with the guys we have and see who steps their game up. I don't know who that will be though. Blahhh

I totally agree with everything you stated....

I just don't understand why wouldn't Marks make an attempt to improve this team and possibly overachieve...Why would he want to tank with no draft pick?...or maybe he has a pack with Boston Celtics...Or maybe Atkinson has sold him on winning with only "good character" guys and he truly believe this current Brooklyn roster will win big.

As you stated, Rudy Gay will be a rental so Brooklyn will not be forced to take a long-term contract...

They could even attempt to retrieve a draft pick from the Kings in exchange for helping them clear out cap room and get Gay's salary off their book..Just like Houston had to give Lakers their first round pick to take Jeremy Lin salary off their book.

and Gay can NOT possibly make this current Brooklyn roster worst than it is since everyone already believe Brooklyn will be terrible...so there's nothing to lose by trading for Gay.

I also agree that Gay will not hurt any of the young guys development because none of them are worth anywhere close to starting minutes.

CMC is clearly not ready for even 20 minutes off the bench..Have you seen him during the summer league?...I still like his physical tool, but he's not ready and shouldn't start for any team in the NBA.

Packers+NetsWIN · Post #6 » by **Packers+NetsWIN** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:09 pm

hood30 wrote:
jbeachboy wrote:i rather give up bogdanovic than kilpatrick, rudy gay usually makes teams worse , plus he would struggle against more physical big men when gay has always been a small forward type. we dont have what sacramento would offer anyway.

lets just stick with booker and scola for meantime and hopefully mccullough and bennett become decent. maybe trevor booker becomes established starter.

If the Nets don't have to give up too much for Gay I am all for trading for him as a 1 year rental. He almost assuredly will opt out after this season of his deal.

However, I would much rather trade Bogs than Kilpatrick. Kilpatrick is younger, has more years on his contract, is cheaper, and honestly just seems to play with more heart. He just had a great summer league (I know that doesn't mean much but still) and was extremely efficient last year on the offensive end.

I would offer bogs for Rudy straight up and try to sell them on their ability to keep him if they choose to do so since he will be a RFA next year and he is cheaper.

sidestep · Post #7 » by **sidestep** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:36 pm

rudy gay is such a billy king move.

jbeachboy · Post #8 » by **jbeachboy** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:56 pm

so nets brought in booker, scola, bennett, and still want to develop mccullough but you want to plug rudy gay at pf?

from january
Sacramento is said to be seeking a quality young player in return if it parts with Gay. Or a player they like with at least one year left on his contract after this season, which would give the Kings some insulation against trading for someone in February who turns around and leave...

jbeachboy · Post #9 » by **jbeachboy** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:58 pm

"I have talked to Vlade," Gay said from his Nike Skills Academy at Hardwood Palace in Rocklin. "I can't say since Monday stuff has changed, but I just feel like we have a little bit of time to start changing things."At this point in my career I just want to be happy," said Gay. "I talked to Vlade and we're trying to make that happen."

hood30 · Post #10 » by **hood30** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:13 pm

sidestep wrote:rudy gay is such a billy king move.

It would only be a Billy King moves if you're giving away good assets to get him...As a previous poster stated, no one is for trading for Gay if it requires you to give up good assets in exchange for 1 year of Gay's service...No one is for that.

Sacramento is having problem getting teams to trade good assets for Rudy Gay, so they may have to lower their demand...and they may be forced to simply move him off their book with no good young asset coming back because Gay is nothing more than a rental for the team that will be trading for him.

So for the Nets, it's a win win situation..They have no high-potential rookie that is worth starting minutes and they can let Gay leave after the season if things doesn't go well.

MrDollarBills · Post #11 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:02 pm

Dumping players for rentals is stupid as hell

Curns13 · Post #12 » by **Curns13** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:29 pm

I would give up Bogs and ask for a 2nd rounder in return. Unless Bogs has a remarkable break out year, Marks is not going to pay to keep him next year. Turning Bogs into a year long rental on Rudy and an asset, should be a pick between 30 - 40, makes sense.

jbeachboy · Post #13 » by **jbeachboy** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:05 am

you guys think rudy gay is a long term option at sf or pf here?

Curns13 · Post #14 » by **Curns13** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:30 am

jbeachboy wrote:you guys think rudy gay is a long term option at sf or pf here?

I don't think he's a long term anything. It would probably only be for this year. He's a much better player than Bogs, would help us win 5 - 10 extra games and if taking on his contract gets us a 2nd rounder while only losing us Bogs (unlikely to be here next year anyway), I think its worth it. He would start at the 3 and play about half his time at the 4. I still cannot see why the Kings would ever do that trade, but it is Sacramento so you never know.

jbeachboy · Post #15 » by **jbeachboy** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:39 pm

if gay is a one year rental, i dont see any purpose in trading for him, i rather give minutes to one of young guys like levert, kilpatrick, or let mccullough and bennett develop.

hood30 · Post #16 » by **hood30** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:56 pm

jbeachboy wrote:if gay is a one year rental, i dont see any purpose in trading for him, i rather give minutes to one of young guys like levert, kilpatrick, or let mccullough and bennett develop.

The idea is to 'test drive Gay" and see whether he fits...If Brooklyn were to over-achieve with Gay, you could always re-sign him once he opts out next year....If Gay doesn't work out, you can let him go, and elevate your young players for next year...None of these young players are special or have high potential anyway.

The goal is to start the season with a competitive team..Not a team that everyone believe has no chance to even compete for the 8th seed...With Gay, maybe you have a chance to stay in the race for the 8th spot until the end.

None of these rookies/young players that you talked about are ready for starting minutes or even strong-rotational minutes.

Kilpatrick is really a sixth-man and nothing more at this point...Rudy Gay is a legit starter, so I don't see a conflict there for minutes...Kilpatrick will get his minutes off the bench(between 18-22mpg)...If he does well, he can get more minutes off whoever is starting at shooting guard..Maybe Bogs.

McCollough didn't look good in Summer League, and did not do anything to deserve guaranteed rotational minutes..At best, he's maybe a 15 minute guy.

Levert will be coming off the bench and get his minutes there..He's coming off major injury, so I doubt he will get strong rotational minutes regardless of whether Gay is here or not.

MrDollarBills · Post #17 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:04 pm

hood30 wrote:
jbeachboy wrote:if gay is a one year rental, i dont see any purpose in trading for him, i rather give minutes to one of young guys like levert, kilpatrick, or let mccullough and bennett develop.

The idea is to 'test drive Gay" and see whether he fits...If Brooklyn were to over-achieve with Gay, you could always re-sign him once he opts out next year....If Gay doesn't work out, you can let him go, and elevate your young players for next year...None of these young players are special or have high potential anyway.

The goal is to start the season with a competitive team..Not a team that everyone believe has no chance to even compete for the 8th seed...With Gay, maybe you have a chance to stay in the race for the 8th spot until the end.

None of these rookies/young players that you talked about are ready for starting minutes or even strong-rotational minutes.

Kilpatrick is really a sixth-man and nothing more at this point...Rudy Gay is a legit starter, so I don't see a conflict there for minutes...Kilpatrick will get his minutes off the bench(between 18-22mpg)...If he does well, he can get more minutes off whoever is starting at shooting guard..Maybe Bogs.

McCollough didn't look good in Summer League, and did not do anything to deserve guaranteed rotational minutes..At best, he's maybe a 15 minute guy.

Levert will be coming off the bench and get his minutes there..He's coming off major injury, so I doubt he will get strong rotational minutes regardless of whether Gay is here or not.

I'd wait til i see the players on an NBA floor before making these kind of snap judgements. C-Mac lacked aggressiveness in spots at summer league but he wasn't totally bad. I need to see LV play before making any decisions on whether he should see the floor or not.

hood30 · Post #18 » by **hood30** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:26 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
hood30 wrote:
jbeachboy wrote:if gay is a one year rental, i dont see any purpose in trading for him, i rather give minutes to one of young guys like levert, kilpatrick, or let mccullough and bennett develop.

The idea is to 'test drive Gay" and see whether he fits...If Brooklyn were to over-achieve with Gay, you could always re-sign him once he opts out next year....If Gay doesn't work out, you can let him go, and elevate your young players for next year...None of these young players are special or have high potential anyway.

The goal is to start the season with a competitive team..Not a team that everyone believe has no chance to even compete for the 8th seed...With Gay, maybe you have a chance to stay in the race for the 8th spot until the end.

None of these rookies/young players that you talked about are ready for starting minutes or even strong-rotational minutes.

Kilpatrick is really a sixth-man and nothing more at this point...Rudy Gay is a legit starter, so I don't see a conflict there for minutes...Kilpatrick will get his minutes off the bench(between 18-22mpg)...If he does well, he can get more minutes off whoever is starting at shooting guard..Maybe Bogs.

McCollough didn't look good in Summer League, and did not do anything to deserve guaranteed rotational minutes..At best, he's maybe a 15 minute guy.

Levert will be coming off the bench and get his minutes there..He's coming off major injury, so I doubt he will get strong rotational minutes regardless of whether Gay is here or not.

I'd wait til i see the players on an NBA floor before making these kind of snap judgements. C-Mac lacked aggressiveness in spots at summer league but he wasn't totally bad. I need to see LV play before making any decisions on whether he should see the floor or not.

I agree that we should wait to see Levert, but it's not like he was a "high potential" top draft picks which requires you to earmark 25-30 minutes for his development in year 1 anyway..

The fact that he's injury-prone already tells me that the Nets should not overload him with big minutes right away and should take it slow with his development..The last thing you want is for him to re-injure his foot again.

Many top draft picks aren't even counted on to make strong contribution until their second year...Look at Orlando Magic's Mario Hezonja who was drafted 5th overall...They brough him slowly and only gave him about 18mpg last year..This year, he's slated to start at SG beside Fournier.

What I'm saying is that you can still develope your young players while still bringing a guy like Rudy Gay to give your fan-base some hope that your team will be competitive.

Playing "C and D" grade young players "Big Minutes" is fine if you are tanking, but purposely tanking with no future first round draft pick is useless..and all that losing could be worst for your young players by letting them play big minutes and get thrashed every single night...

I'd rather they play small minutes and watch veterants like Lin/Lopez/Gay run things and learn from the bench..and only play between 10-15 mpg.

McCollough has good tools, but he should really be in the D-League...You don't stop yourself from improving your team because you want to give him 20-25 minutes...He's not worth that at the moment.

Papi_swav · Post #19 » by **Papi_swav** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:28 pm

jbeachboy wrote:if gay is a one year rental, i dont see any purpose in trading for him, i rather give minutes to one of young guys like levert, kilpatrick, or let mccullough and bennett develop.

So we won't give the Celtics the #1 pick in the draft, we will instead give them the 6th pick in the draft with Gay.

Roy Tarpley · Post #20 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:35 pm

hood30 wrote:
jbeachboy wrote:if gay is a one year rental, i dont see any purpose in trading for him, i rather give minutes to one of young guys like levert, kilpatrick, or let mccullough and bennett develop.

The idea is to 'test drive Gay" and see whether he fits...If Brooklyn were to over-achieve with Gay, you could always re-sign him once he opts out next year....If Gay doesn't work out, you can let him go, and elevate your young players for next year...None of these young players are special or have high potential anyway.

The goal is to start the season with a competitive team..Not a team that everyone believe has no chance to even compete for the 8th seed...With Gay, maybe you have a chance to stay in the race for the 8th spot until the end.

None of these rookies/young players that you talked about are ready for starting minutes or even strong-rotational minutes.

Kilpatrick is really a sixth-man and nothing more at this point...Rudy Gay is a legit starter, so I don't see a conflict there for minutes...Kilpatrick will get his minutes off the bench(between 18-22mpg)...If he does well, he can get more minutes off whoever is starting at shooting guard..Maybe Bogs.

McCollough didn't look good in Summer League, and did not do anything to deserve guaranteed rotational minutes..At best, he's maybe a 15 minute guy.

Levert will be coming off the bench and get his minutes there..He's coming off major injury, so I doubt he will get strong rotational minutes regardless of whether Gay is here or not.

The Nets are set and don't need Gay.

Lin 32 / Vasquez 16
Bogs 18 / Skil 14 / Foye 10 / Levert 6
RHJ 30 / Bogs 10 / Morris 8
Booker 28 / Scola 8 / McCullough 8 / Bennett 4
Lopez 32 / Hamilton 10 / Scola 6

If Gay comes in to play PF, McCullough and Bennett wouldn't play at all, and Booker would play 16 min/game. This doesn't sound like Marks's intent.

Gay could play his natural SF position but that would mean that Morris, Levert, Foye, and Skil don't play much. Again, not happening.

Maybe if Bogs is traded for Gay -- but I just don't see this King move happening.