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What are you guys hearing on your end about this. Bird usually plays things close to the vest and this has been floating around a bit. I like Lopez a lot and what I heard going back I think it is a good deal. However, not sure he and Turner can play together so we would be trading for a backup center and paying a lot of money for him. Just curious as to what you have heard over in the big city.

Pacers_Freak wrote:What are you guys hearing on your end about this. Bird usually plays things close to the vest and this has been floating around a bit. I like Lopez a lot and what I heard going back I think it is a good deal. However, not sure he and Turner can play together so we would be trading for a backup center and paying a lot of money for him. Just curious as to what you have heard over in the big city.

other then the vessey rumor which is preety weak havent heard anything... but id love a brook for your 2017 first plus jefferson deal.

brook is ideal off the bench, hides his defense a bit

Since Al Jefferson has a team option for 2018-19, and we'd only be on the books for 9 mil next season for him, i'd do this trade:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z7g5w36

Brook for Jefferson, Allen (expiring), Brooks (expiring), Indiana 1st 2017. Nets open up more cap room, get a serviceable player for rent next season, and another young prospect to go with their Boston pick in the 2017 draft.

I think I take that deal. What say everyone else??

Prokorov wrote:

Pacers_Freak wrote:What are you guys hearing on your end about this. Bird usually plays things close to the vest and this has been floating around a bit. I like Lopez a lot and what I heard going back I think it is a good deal. However, not sure he and Turner can play together so we would be trading for a backup center and paying a lot of money for him. Just curious as to what you have heard over in the big city.

other then the vessey rumor which is preety weak havent heard anything... but id love a brook for your 2017 first plus jefferson deal.

brook is ideal off the bench, hides his defense a bit

I don't disagree I just don't want to pay 20+ mil for a guy coming off the bench. Especially because we are cheap and will never go over the tax.

I believe Vescey heard that the Pacers are interested, and willing to offer their first rounder. He speculated whether a first rounder with Jefferson and Stuckey as cap fillers would be enough for the Nets. I am confident that it is not. I don't see the Nets taking on remaining years for well past their prime vets for a pick in the 20s. The Nets would want to be compensated (future first) to take on those contracts.

Additionally, a well connected admin from another board is being told there is no framework for a deal in place with the Pacers. Also, Steve Kyler reports that the Nets have optionS (emphasis on plural) if they decide to move Lopez. My guess is they sit tight to see if anybody ups their offer.

Pacers_Freak wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

Pacers_Freak wrote:What are you guys hearing on your end about this. Bird usually plays things close to the vest and this has been floating around a bit. I like Lopez a lot and what I heard going back I think it is a good deal. However, not sure he and Turner can play together so we would be trading for a backup center and paying a lot of money for him. Just curious as to what you have heard over in the big city.

other then the vessey rumor which is preety weak havent heard anything... but id love a brook for your 2017 first plus jefferson deal.

brook is ideal off the bench, hides his defense a bit

I don't disagree I just don't want to pay 20+ mil for a guy coming off the bench. Especially because we are cheap and will never go over the tax.

If Indy were to land Brook, I see them experimenting with Turner splitting time between C and PF, in a 3 big rotation. Lopez-Turner likely starts, with Young rotating in. I'd expect them to split the bulk of the 96 PF/C minutes fairly evenly, with a handful of minutes per game going to a small ball lineup.

Lopez n Turner can work together... Brook is playing far from the rim as possible so i don't see any clogging between the two

Pacers_Freak wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

Pacers_Freak wrote:What are you guys hearing on your end about this. Bird usually plays things close to the vest and this has been floating around a bit. I like Lopez a lot and what I heard going back I think it is a good deal. However, not sure he and Turner can play together so we would be trading for a backup center and paying a lot of money for him. Just curious as to what you have heard over in the big city.

other then the vessey rumor which is preety weak havent heard anything... but id love a brook for your 2017 first plus jefferson deal.

brook is ideal off the bench, hides his defense a bit

I don't disagree I just don't want to pay 20+ mil for a guy coming off the bench. Especially because we are cheap and will never go over the tax.

No way Brook comes off the bench. The Pacers are likely looking to slide Turner to the four and Thad off the bench. Keeps the Pacers in the mix with teams like Toronto upgrading their frontcourt .


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Paradise wrote:

Pacers_Freak wrote:

Prokorov wrote:
other then the vessey rumor which is preety weak havent heard anything... but id love a brook for your 2017 first plus jefferson deal.

brook is ideal off the bench, hides his defense a bit

I don't disagree I just don't want to pay 20+ mil for a guy coming off the bench. Especially because we are cheap and will never go over the tax.

No way Brook comes off the bench. The Pacers are likely looking to slide Turner to the four and Thad off the bench. Keeps the Pacers in the mix with teams like Toronto upgrading their frontcourt .


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I can see that. I think then the Pacers would try and move Thad. No way his salary goes to the bench either. I just don't see this move happening. Doesn't make sense.

It's the lack of prospects and the money that makes this deal kind of wonky. I'd gladly get cap space and a pick for Lopez if that's the best deal out there, I can see why Indy may want to unload salary though.

Nets would be better off playing Brook with Lin the last 26 games which would up his trade value. It might even convince the Nets to keep him and get better players to surround him with. Indiana's pick would probably be in the 20's which even in a deep draft is risky. Besides you get a rookie who will take a few years to develop then you need a point guard because Lin will be on the downside. So you have a draft pick in 2019 and it will take a few years for a point guard to develop. Now you're talking 4-5 years to MAYBE be DECENT.

Much better to supplement Brook with a trade or free agents. Much quicker ROI and a helluva lot more fun!!

I want whatever restrictions are on the Indiana second round pick that we acquired in the Thad young trade to be lifted.

Pistolpete1947 wrote:Nets would be better off playing Brook with Lin the last 26 games which would up his trade value. It might even convince the Nets to keep him and get better players to surround him with. Indiana's pick would probably be in the 20's which even in a deep draft is risky. Besides you get a rookie who will take a few years to develop then you need a point guard because Lin will be on the downside. So you have a draft pick in 2019 and it will take a few years for a point guard to develop. Now you're talking 4-5 years to MAYBE be DECENT.

Much better to supplement Brook with a trade or free agents. Much quicker ROI and a helluva lot more fun!!

We're not going to be good for another 4-5 years. If that.

What probably happens(just my opinion), Lopez gets shipped out, and next season Lin probably gets traded after he ups his value as well. No reason for him to waste his prime years playing here when we seriously are nowhere even near even playing .500 ball until at least 2021.

I'm serious too. We are going to be horrible for the rest of this decade.

Ror1997 wrote:I want whatever restrictions are on the Indiana second round pick that we acquired in the Thad young trade to be lifted.

No you don't. It's reverse protected (45-60). We don't get it until Indiana misses the playoffs or 2023, whichever is earlier. Why would you want another late 2nd rounder, that can typically be purchased? It's the type of asset that can linger out there and be used to take back a salary dump or unbalanced trade in the future (like a draft and stash player, but better).

MrDollarBills wrote:

Pistolpete1947 wrote:Nets would be better off playing Brook with Lin the last 26 games which would up his trade value. It might even convince the Nets to keep him and get better players to surround him with. Indiana's pick would probably be in the 20's which even in a deep draft is risky. Besides you get a rookie who will take a few years to develop then you need a point guard because Lin will be on the downside. So you have a draft pick in 2019 and it will take a few years for a point guard to develop. Now you're talking 4-5 years to MAYBE be DECENT.

Much better to supplement Brook with a trade or free agents. Much quicker ROI and a helluva lot more fun!!

We're not going to be good for another 4-5 years. If that.

What probably happens(just my opinion), Lopez gets shipped out, and next season Lin probably gets traded after he ups his value as well. No reason for him to waste his prime years playing here when we seriously are nowhere even near even playing .500 ball until at least 2021.

I'm serious too. We are going to be horrible for the rest of this decade.

You're probably right, but because 1 or 2 players can make a world of difference, things can change quickly in the NBA. It is why Marks will continue to shell out nothing but short, movable deals unless it's to a young FA that can grow into the contract. Right now, we're looking at close to $40mil (renouncing all FAs) in cap space without trading anybody, and nobody on this roster is untradable. We could easily free up enough room for at least 2 young max contracts.

That being said, if we don't land an impact player(s) this year, I'd expect us to stay in the tank for a year or two after that, once we control our picks. We'll need to get to the point where we can have a couple of elite prospects and a bunch of good prospects. From now until the 2019 draft, the best we can hope for is to load up on the latter.

TheNetsFan wrote:

Ror1997 wrote:I want whatever restrictions are on the Indiana second round pick that we acquired in the Thad young trade to be lifted.

No you don't. It's reverse protected (45-60). We don't get it until Indiana misses the playoffs or 2023, whichever is earlier. Why would you want another late 2nd rounder, that can typically be purchased? It's the type of asset that can linger out there and be used to take back a salary dump or unbalanced trade in the future (like a draft and stash player, but better).

Oh I thought if was top 55 protected in favor of Indiana. I dont know what I'm thinking of.

Trading for Brook makes a lot of sense for Indy but for us it doesn't make any sense. The pacers pick will be in the 17-23 range which is solid but not enough for Brook. After that all Indy has are old vets with very few young players. Marks will never trade Brook for that type of package imo. Brook isn't the reason we are losing this many games. Blame the D-League level roster he's played with for the majority of his career for that. Brook isn't a franchise player/Alpha type player but he's a damn good player with all-star talent. Plus he's a good character guy and fits in perfectly with Markinson's vision.

Indy just isn't a good partner for us. I highly doubt Turner would be available. If it was Turner plus pick then it's a no brainer but that's not what we are discussing. Pacers pick plus meh vets isn't a great offer for an all-star caliber player in his prime. If that's the best offer we can get then just keep him. We have no pressure or reason to trade him like Sacramento did with Cousins.

MrDollarBills wrote:Since Al Jefferson has a team option for 2018-19, and we'd only be on the books for 9 mil next season for him, i'd do this trade:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z7g5w36

Brook for Jefferson, Allen (expiring), Brooks (expiring), Indiana 1st 2017. Nets open up more cap room, get a serviceable player for rent next season, and another young prospect to go with their Boston pick in the 2017 draft.

I think I take that deal. What say everyone else??

That's a bad trade for the Nets. Not only is the Indy pick not a high value one, but it may well decline if they win more with Brook. And then whatever value is left has to be offset by the negative value of Al Jefferson.

If you think the criticisms over Brook's defense is bad, you haven't seen anything yet when it comes to Al Jeff. Al Jefferson is even worse than Brook when it comes to defending the P'n'R (Hornets found success when they replaced Al Jeff with a more mobile defending center in Cody Zeller.) The people screaming about Brook's defense will hate Al Jeff's even worse PnR defense. On top of that, Al Jeff is a downgrade on offense as well (can't set good screens to help teammates, doesn't have 3pt range of Brook).

Granted, Jefferson is just salary filler, but you have to offset the negative value of him against whatever value is left of the returning pick, which reduces the value of the pick haul. So when you have a low value pick from the Pacers, and you subtract value from it to offset the negative value of Al Jeff, I think it ends up being a poor trade for Brook. I don't think it's worth trading Brook for an aging center who is even worse at defending the P'n'R, and a worse offensive player (not setting good screens will hinder the development of young guards and wings on the team, not being able to shoot 3's reduces open space for teammates to operate), and a low value pick.

Looks like Indiana is moving onto Okafor.


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spaceballer wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:Since Al Jefferson has a team option for 2018-19, and we'd only be on the books for 9 mil next season for him, i'd do this trade:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z7g5w36

Brook for Jefferson, Allen (expiring), Brooks (expiring), Indiana 1st 2017. Nets open up more cap room, get a serviceable player for rent next season, and another young prospect to go with their Boston pick in the 2017 draft.

I think I take that deal. What say everyone else??

That's a bad trade for the Nets. Not only is the Indy pick not a high value one, but it may well decline if they win more with Brook. And then whatever value is left has to be offset by the negative value of Al Jefferson.

If you think the criticisms over Brook's defense is bad, you haven't seen anything yet when it comes to Al Jeff. Al Jefferson is even worse than Brook when it comes to defending the P'n'R (Hornets found success when they replaced Al Jeff with a more mobile defending center in Cody Zeller.) The people screaming about Brook's defense will hate Al Jeff's even worse PnR defense. On top of that, Al Jeff is a downgrade on offense as well (can't set good screens to help teammates, doesn't have 3pt range of Brook).

Granted, Jefferson is just salary filler, but you have to offset the negative value of him against whatever value is left of the returning pick, which reduces the value of the pick haul. So when you have a low value pick from the Pacers, and you subtract value from it to offset the negative value of Al Jeff, I think it ends up being a poor trade for Brook. I don't think it's worth trading Brook for an aging center who is even worse at defending the P'n'R, and a worse offensive player (not setting good screens will hinder the development of young guards and wings on the team, not being able to shoot 3's reduces open space for teammates to operate), and a low value pick.

I'm not really interested in Jefferson as a player, I just care that his contract ends next season for 9 mil on the cap. I just want Indy's pick.

We aren't getting anything for Lopez, so if the best we can get is a 1st rder in this year's draft and expirings, its cool with me. I don't expect much tbh. I personally wouldn't trade much for Lopez either if i was a rival GM.