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Now that they have 2 picks in the draft do they flip 1 to get the rights to KCP from Detroit or draft 2 players and see what they can get in free agency?

Why is Detroit taking one late pick for him now?

If there's a difference making player that we can trade up for, I say do it. If not, I don't mind using our 2 picks on guys who aren't coming off major surgery or injury

vincecarter4pres wrote:Why is Detroit taking one late pick for him now?

They want a 1st round pick for him and a frontcourt player we could could flip Nicholson and a pick for him. That takes care of the free agent wing and we still have a pick.

Or they could just draft 2 players and see what happens with the FA.

The Nets need to keep getting future picks. What they are doing makes sense & they need to continue with the plan. Their timeline will make short sighted new yorkers mad. But that's exactly what caused so much damage to the team.

In addition they need to take on some garbage contracts for picks.

pickIBL wrote:The Nets need to keep getting future picks. What they are doing makes sense & they need to continue with the plan. Their timeline will make short sighted new yorkers mad. But that's exactly what caused so much damage to the team.

In addition they need to take on some garbage contracts for picks.

they won't have to worry about that, all of the short sighted new yorkers root for the Knicks. Nets don't have NY fans

kamaze wrote:Now that they have 2 picks in the draft do they flip 1 to get the rights to KCP from Detroit or draft 2 players and see what they can get in free agency?

Trading a first rounder for the right to make KCP one of the worst contracts in the NBA is not my idea of a great offseason.

I still think its crazy to give a guy averages 14/3/2 on poor efficiency the max even if he is a good defender and 3 point shooter. I'd rather keep the pick and draft a KCP type and pay him a rookie salary.

I get the porter stuff... i mean id rather not max porter but at least i get the thinking there.

but KCP? i see no argument there. the only reason anyonehas given in the other threads is "he is 24 with better D then bogs"

MrDollarBills wrote:

pickIBL wrote:The Nets need to keep getting future picks. What they are doing makes sense & they need to continue with the plan. Their timeline will make short sighted new yorkers mad. But that's exactly what caused so much damage to the team.

In addition they need to take on some garbage contracts for picks.

they won't have to worry about that, all of the short sighted new yorkers root for the Knicks. Nets don't have NY fans

Splitting hairs. Same market. As if the OP didn't start this thread to prematurely speed up the rebuild. Which is a very bad idea btw.

pickIBL wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:

pickIBL wrote:The Nets need to keep getting future picks. What they are doing makes sense & they need to continue with the plan. Their timeline will make short sighted new yorkers mad. But that's exactly what caused so much damage to the team.

In addition they need to take on some garbage contracts for picks.

they won't have to worry about that, all of the short sighted new yorkers root for the Knicks. Nets don't have NY fans

Splitting hairs. Same market. As if the OP didn't start this thread to prematurely speed up the rebuild. Which is a very bad idea btw.

It's not splitting hairs, its the same market but the Nets don't have a legitimate fanbase in New York, New Yorkers don't care about the Nets. Even when the Nets were in the playoffs the first 3 years in Brooklyn, the onus in the media was on the Knicks, good or bad. the Nets can afford to rebuild in a sensible manner because they won't have 1000 raving lunatic fans calling up our local sports radio outlets ESPN Radio and WFAN talking about

"AH HEY YEAH DIS IS JOE C. FROM MANHATTAN BEACH, TANKS FOR TAKIN' MY CALL. HEY I DUNNO ABOUT YOU YOUSE GUYS BUT SEAN MARKS AND KENNY ATKINSON ARE TOTALLY EFFING UP DIS REBUILD, AND DEY NEED TO BE FIRED! DEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH TRYING TO SIGN DEEZ WHATCHAMACALLITS? RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS? YEAH DEY DUNNO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. ANYWAY, I'LL HANG UP AND LET YOU FINISH..."

The timeline isn't bothering anyone, and in fact the apathy that fans in NY show the Nets play into their favor because they can build a talented team over the next few years by being patient and developing players, win or lose. There's no rush. The Knicks on the other hand have people ready to drag Phil Jackson through the streets like Muammar Gaddafi.

Prokorov wrote:

kamaze wrote:Now that they have 2 picks in the draft do they flip 1 to get the rights to KCP from Detroit or draft 2 players and see what they can get in free agency?

Trading a first rounder for the right to make KCP one of the worst contracts in the NBA is not my idea of a great offseason.

I still think its crazy to give a guy averages 14/3/2 on poor efficiency the max even if he is a good defender and 3 point shooter. I'd rather keep the pick and draft a KCP type and pay him a rookie salary.

I get the porter stuff... i mean id rather not max porter but at least i get the thinking there.

but KCP? i see no argument there. the only reason anyonehas given in the other threads is "he is 24 with better D then bogs"

i think you're right to be averse to signing him to a max deal. Me? I don't want them to pay him that either but I know that the Nets may not have a choice.

That being said, trading a pick to get KCP's bird rights = Billy King behavior.

MrDollarBills wrote:

pickIBL wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:
they won't have to worry about that, all of the short sighted new yorkers root for the Knicks. Nets don't have NY fans

Splitting hairs. Same market. As if the OP didn't start this thread to prematurely speed up the rebuild. Which is a very bad idea btw.

It's not splitting hairs, its the same market but the Nets don't have a legitimate fanbase in New York, New Yorkers don't care about the Nets. Even when the Nets were in the playoffs the first 3 years in Brooklyn, the onus in the media was on the Knicks, good or bad. the Nets can afford to rebuild in a sensible manner because they won't have 1000 raving lunatic fans calling up our local sports radio outlets ESPN Radio and WFAN talking about

"AH HEY YEAH DIS IS JOE C. FROM MANHATTAN BEACH, TANKS FOR TAKIN' MY CALL. HEY I DUNNO ABOUT YOU YOUSE GUYS BUT SEAN MARKS AND KENNY ATKINSON ARE TOTALLY EFFING UP DIS REBUILD, AND DEY NEED TO BE FIRED! DEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH TRYING TO SIGN DEEZ WHATCHAMACALLITS? RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS? YEAH DEY DUNNO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. ANYWAY, I'LL HANG UP AND LET YOU FINISH..."

The timeline isn't bothering anyone, and in fact the apathy that fans in NY show the Nets play into their favor because they can build a talented team over the next few years by being patient and developing players, win or lose. There's no rush. The Knicks on the other hand have people ready to drag Phil Jackson through the streets like Muammar Gaddafi.

Clearly bothers the op.

MrDollarBills wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

kamaze wrote:Now that they have 2 picks in the draft do they flip 1 to get the rights to KCP from Detroit or draft 2 players and see what they can get in free agency?

Trading a first rounder for the right to make KCP one of the worst contracts in the NBA is not my idea of a great offseason.

I still think its crazy to give a guy averages 14/3/2 on poor efficiency the max even if he is a good defender and 3 point shooter. I'd rather keep the pick and draft a KCP type and pay him a rookie salary.

I get the porter stuff... i mean id rather not max porter but at least i get the thinking there.

but KCP? i see no argument there. the only reason anyonehas given in the other threads is "he is 24 with better D then bogs"

i think you're right to be averse to signing him to a max deal. Me? I don't want them to pay him that either but I know that the Nets may not have a choice.

That being said, trading a pick to get KCP's bird rights = Billy King behavior.

yup... worst series in nets history is:

first round pick to rent gerald wallace for 3 months on a team that was out of the playoffs then vastly overpaying wallace, then giving boston a first to take wallace off our hands.

Obviously KCP is younger then gerald wallace, and the pick wouldnt be high lotto. but similar idea. trading a first to rent KCP for 3 months on a 9 win team only to vastly overpay him and have it be a regrettable contract within 1.5 years of signing him.

MrDollarBills wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

kamaze wrote:Now that they have 2 picks in the draft do they flip 1 to get the rights to KCP from Detroit or draft 2 players and see what they can get in free agency?

Trading a first rounder for the right to make KCP one of the worst contracts in the NBA is not my idea of a great offseason.

I still think its crazy to give a guy averages 14/3/2 on poor efficiency the max even if he is a good defender and 3 point shooter. I'd rather keep the pick and draft a KCP type and pay him a rookie salary.

I get the porter stuff... i mean id rather not max porter but at least i get the thinking there.

but KCP? i see no argument there. the only reason anyonehas given in the other threads is "he is 24 with better D then bogs"

i think you're right to be averse to signing him to a max deal. Me? I don't want them to pay him that either but I know that the Nets may not have a choice.

That being said, trading a pick to get KCP's bird rights = Billy King behavior.

You 2 got me convinced to keep the picks and build a team through the draft. I was thinking about signing free agents.

I really don't want to overpay some garbage player.

Were drafting two rookies and should give them the chance to play.

kamaze wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:

Prokorov wrote:
Trading a first rounder for the right to make KCP one of the worst contracts in the NBA is not my idea of a great offseason.

I still think its crazy to give a guy averages 14/3/2 on poor efficiency the max even if he is a good defender and 3 point shooter. I'd rather keep the pick and draft a KCP type and pay him a rookie salary.

I get the porter stuff... i mean id rather not max porter but at least i get the thinking there.

but KCP? i see no argument there. the only reason anyonehas given in the other threads is "he is 24 with better D then bogs"

i think you're right to be averse to signing him to a max deal. Me? I don't want them to pay him that either but I know that the Nets may not have a choice.

That being said, trading a pick to get KCP's bird rights = Billy King behavior.

You 2 got me convinced to keep the picks and build a team through the draft. I was thinking about signing free agents.

Nets will have to overpay until otherwise its proven that guys may be willing to come here despite this current rough patch.

But I prefer to keep all picks unless the deal is a can't miss one, like how those morons in Sacto got ripped off by New Orleans.

MrDollarBills wrote:

kamaze wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:
i think you're right to be averse to signing him to a max deal. Me? I don't want them to pay him that either but I know that the Nets may not have a choice.

That being said, trading a pick to get KCP's bird rights = Billy King behavior.

You 2 got me convinced to keep the picks and build a team through the draft. I was thinking about signing free agents.

Nets will have to overpay until otherwise its proven that guys may be willing to come here despite this current rough patch.

But I prefer to keep all picks unless the deal is a can't miss one, like how those morons in Sacto got ripped off by New Orleans.

i dont mind overpaying as long as its not for ordinary role players....

-Crabbe is a role guy (9/3/3 with worse D then kilpatrick in 30 mintues a night despite 2 all-star gaurds to take pressure off)
-KCP is a role guy (14/3/2 on poor 13 PEr/52 TS% with good but not elite defense)

I dont max guys like or give them 19-20+ million. that is really just a younger version of bogs and harris

the idea of paying 40-45 million for a pair of wings who combine to give you 23/6/5 with average or worse defense makes my stomach turn

Prokorov wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:

kamaze wrote:
You 2 got me convinced to keep the picks and build a team through the draft. I was thinking about signing free agents.

Nets will have to overpay until otherwise its proven that guys may be willing to come here despite this current rough patch.

But I prefer to keep all picks unless the deal is a can't miss one, like how those morons in Sacto got ripped off by New Orleans.

i dont mind overpaying as long as its not for ordinary role players....

-Crabbe is a role guy (9/3/3 with worse D then kilpatrick in 30 mintues a night despite 2 all-star gaurds to take pressure off)
-KCP is a role guy (14/3/2 on poor 13 PEr/52 TS% with good but not elite defense)

I dont max guys like or give them 19-20+ million. that is really just a younger version of bogs and harris

the idea of paying 40-45 million for a pair of wings who combine to give you 23/6/5 with average or worse defense makes my stomach turn

I don't like the idea of KCP either.


I'd sooner give similar money to Gallo.

vincecarter4pres wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:
Nets will have to overpay until otherwise its proven that guys may be willing to come here despite this current rough patch.

But I prefer to keep all picks unless the deal is a can't miss one, like how those morons in Sacto got ripped off by New Orleans.

i dont mind overpaying as long as its not for ordinary role players....

-Crabbe is a role guy (9/3/3 with worse D then kilpatrick in 30 mintues a night despite 2 all-star gaurds to take pressure off)
-KCP is a role guy (14/3/2 on poor 13 PEr/52 TS% with good but not elite defense)

I dont max guys like or give them 19-20+ million. that is really just a younger version of bogs and harris

the idea of paying 40-45 million for a pair of wings who combine to give you 23/6/5 with average or worse defense makes my stomach turn

I don't like the idea of KCP either.


I'd sooner give similar money to Gallo.

trow money at Noel and if you think he is an allstar and not a 3rd leg then porter. if they get matches sign more bookers, hamiltons, and harris' to 1+1 deals and try your luck again in the 2018 summer.

im fine with next year being another throw away from a W/L perspective as long as we dont latch on to overpaid role players on longterm deals. 2 more rookies next year + whatever brook returns. build on that until 18-19

Prokorov wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:

Prokorov wrote:
i dont mind overpaying as long as its not for ordinary role players....

-Crabbe is a role guy (9/3/3 with worse D then kilpatrick in 30 mintues a night despite 2 all-star gaurds to take pressure off)
-KCP is a role guy (14/3/2 on poor 13 PEr/52 TS% with good but not elite defense)

I dont max guys like or give them 19-20+ million. that is really just a younger version of bogs and harris

the idea of paying 40-45 million for a pair of wings who combine to give you 23/6/5 with average or worse defense makes my stomach turn

I don't like the idea of KCP either.


I'd sooner give similar money to Gallo.

trow money at Noel and if you think he is an allstar and not a 3rd leg then porter. if they get matches sign more bookers, hamiltons, and harris' to 1+1 deals and try your luck again in the 2018 summer.

im fine with next year being another throw away from a W/L perspective as long as we dont latch on to overpaid role players on longterm deals. 2 more rookies next year + whatever brook returns. build on that until 18-19

that's exactly what I'd do too.

- Trade Lopez/RHJ for Drummond on draft night (maybe there's still a flicker of hope there)
- Max offer sheet to Noel and Porter
- Draft with 2 picks based on needs (prob shooter and big)

if all goes well...

Lin / Whitehead / Dinwiddie
Levert / Kilpatrick / McDaniels
Porter / (draft pick) / Harris
Noel / Booker / Nicholson / Acy
Drummond / (draft pick) / Hamilton

that's 16 under contract. Maybe send Booker, Hamilton out as exp contracts for picks. Look to maybe ship other guys to D League team.

I'd also love to see if we can get Hill, but I don't think that's likely. I could see other 2 guys as more likely candidates....but as a Nets fan I won't hold my breath

I wouldn't trade for Drummond, I'm hearing from Piston fans that he has empty stats and doesn't play defense that well, good rebounder though. Wish we could of got Noel, he looked good in Dallas the other day. The FA doesn't look too good this offseason and isn't the way to go at this point. Might as well go hard for Milsap on a 2-3 year deal