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Brook Lopez
Jeremy Lin
Caris LeVert
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Isaiah Whitehead
Trevor Booker
Spencer Dinwiddie
Sean Kilpatrick
Quincy Acy
Joe Harris
K.J. McDaniels
Archie Goodwin
Justin Hamilton
Randy Foye
Andrew Nicholson
Brook Lopez - B+ he's never going to be the all around player we'd hope for but he fit into the new system, worked hard and adding the 3 was huge.
Jeremy Lin - C on the court his performance was closer to an A, but his injuries killed this season.
Caris LeVert - A not sure how much more you can expect from a rookie in the 20's with major injury questions. He looks like a potential core player.
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson - B some things got better in year 2, some things got worse. Overall I don't know that he locked himself in as a starting level player any more than he did his rookie season.
Isaiah Whitehead - B in terms of 2nd round pick expectations he way overachieved. He can get to the basket and plays hard.
Trevor Booker - B a lot more tools than expected when we signed him. Really nice depth PF.
Spencer Dinwiddie - B very solid find from the DL. Has some Shaun Livingston to his game.
Sean Kilpatrick - B+ basically carried the team early on, but also showed his athletic limitations. Curious to see if he comes back next year or if they trade him.
Quincy Acy - C+ nice hustle player, but not much more than that.
Joe Harris - B really nice find who was basically a poor man's Allen Crabbe when healthy.
K.J. McDaniels - Incomplete but flashed athleticism big time
Archie Goodwin - Incomplete but flashed athleticism big time
Justin Hamilton - C not a terrible backup center, stretches the floor, but not much more to his game than that.
Randy Foye - D I know he was brought in mostly to be a leader so it's hard to evaluate, but on the court he was pretty bad.
Andrew Nicholson - Incomplete played so little I have nothing to say
MrDollarBills wrote:Great topic.
Brook Lopez: B+...frankly, if he was on another team he would have been all star nomination worthy. He was excellent offensively, and adding the 3 ball was just incredible to see. Defense and rebounding was meh.
Jeremy Lin: C+, love the guy's effort, professionalism and skill set. Lin only gets a C+ here because of the injuries. Best competitor on both ends we've had at PG since Jason Kidd. It is a breath of fresh air to have a PG that gives a damn about playing hard and winning games.
Caris LeVert: B+, I was livid when Marks traded Thad, a guy who I liked a lot, for this kid who was coming off of injuries and was considered a reach. Frankly, he has become one of the steals of the draft, and one of the more skilled players we've drafted in YEARS. Easily the best Nets draft pick since Brook Lopez and the highest IQ youngster we've had going back to maybe Kerry Kittles. Sky is the limit for this kid.
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson: B, it is no secret that this is my guy right here. Loved his attitude and effort last year, but this year after a rough start he found his NBA niche and was next to Brook the most consistent player on the team. He's found his NBA position, now he has to put the work in to actually excel at it. Long road ahead, but the upside is there big time. Always shows up for work, always plays hard. Just has to cut down the mistakes, gain strength, and add some tools to his midrange set.
Isaiah Whitehead: C-, a pleasant surprise, I didn't expect much out of the kid. The game versus the Clippers was a real treat to watch this kid, green as the **** ing grass on a June afternoon play his tail off versus a hall of famer in Chris Paul. He definitely projects to be more of a combo guard, he really needs to improve his jump shooting, take care of the ball, and look to score more.
Trevor Booker: B, great pick up, started the season really hot but I think he became a bit undisciplined as time went on and tried to do too much on offense. Still, awesome pick up for a good price and he gave max effort.
Spencer Dinwiddie C, I was unsure about him but he really has played himself into a back up PG role for us. He just needs to stay consistent mentally because some nights he has the confidence of a world beater, other nights he looks like he's afraid to mess up and that kills his aggressiveness. When he gets rolling his shot is water, and he competes on defense. Our defense in the backcourt will be excellent next season with Lin/Dinwiddie rotating in and out.
Sean Kilpatrick C-, I think he had the misfortune of being asked to do too much early on with Lin out. Playing PG really exposed a lot of his flaws, his best games were when he just had to focus on scoring. I hope this guy gets a good deal from someone, he's earned it.
Quincy Acy: B, solid signing. Great competitor, plays on both ends with max effort, and his 3pt shooting was a great surprise. He'd better be on this roster in 6 months or I'll be pissed.
Joe Harris: D, i like Harris but injuries and a lack of consistency killed him. He had some great flashes, but I don't know if he's a keeper.
K.J. McDaniels: N/A, solid late season trade for him, he's shown flashes of two way ability. We'll need to see more.
Archie Goodwin: N/A, same, solid pick up, and he plays hard every time he hits the floor. I don't know what position he'll play in the league. Time will tell.
Justin Hamilton: F, this dude started strong but flamed out really quick. Horrible defense and he lost a ton of confidence in his shot.
Randy Foye: D, he did the best that he could but he's clearly done as an NBA player.
Andrew Nicholson: F, not really worth retaining but i guess he helps us hit the cap min.
Roy Tarpley wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Great topic.
Brook Lopez: B+...frankly, if he was on another team he would have been all star nomination worthy. He was excellent offensively, and adding the 3 ball was just incredible to see. Defense and rebounding was meh.
Jeremy Lin: C+, love the guy's effort, professionalism and skill set. Lin only gets a C+ here because of the injuries. Best competitor on both ends we've had at PG since Jason Kidd. It is a breath of fresh air to have a PG that gives a damn about playing hard and winning games.
Caris LeVert: B+, I was livid when Marks traded Thad, a guy who I liked a lot, for this kid who was coming off of injuries and was considered a reach. Frankly, he has become one of the steals of the draft, and one of the more skilled players we've drafted in YEARS. Easily the best Nets draft pick since Brook Lopez and the highest IQ youngster we've had going back to maybe Kerry Kittles. Sky is the limit for this kid.
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson: B, it is no secret that this is my guy right here. Loved his attitude and effort last year, but this year after a rough start he found his NBA niche and was next to Brook the most consistent player on the team. He's found his NBA position, now he has to put the work in to actually excel at it. Long road ahead, but the upside is there big time. Always shows up for work, always plays hard. Just has to cut down the mistakes, gain strength, and add some tools to his midrange set.
Isaiah Whitehead: C-, a pleasant surprise, I didn't expect much out of the kid. The game versus the Clippers was a real treat to watch this kid, green as the **** ing grass on a June afternoon play his tail off versus a hall of famer in Chris Paul. He definitely projects to be more of a combo guard, he really needs to improve his jump shooting, take care of the ball, and look to score more.
Trevor Booker: B, great pick up, started the season really hot but I think he became a bit undisciplined as time went on and tried to do too much on offense. Still, awesome pick up for a good price and he gave max effort.
Spencer Dinwiddie C, I was unsure about him but he really has played himself into a back up PG role for us. He just needs to stay consistent mentally because some nights he has the confidence of a world beater, other nights he looks like he's afraid to mess up and that kills his aggressiveness. When he gets rolling his shot is water, and he competes on defense. Our defense in the backcourt will be excellent next season with Lin/Dinwiddie rotating in and out.
Sean Kilpatrick C-, I think he had the misfortune of being asked to do too much early on with Lin out. Playing PG really exposed a lot of his flaws, his best games were when he just had to focus on scoring. I hope this guy gets a good deal from someone, he's earned it.
Quincy Acy: B, solid signing. Great competitor, plays on both ends with max effort, and his 3pt shooting was a great surprise. He'd better be on this roster in 6 months or I'll be pissed.
Joe Harris: D, i like Harris but injuries and a lack of consistency killed him. He had some great flashes, but I don't know if he's a keeper.
K.J. McDaniels: N/A, solid late season trade for him, he's shown flashes of two way ability. We'll need to see more.
Archie Goodwin: N/A, same, solid pick up, and he plays hard every time he hits the floor. I don't know what position he'll play in the league. Time will tell.
Justin Hamilton: F, this dude started strong but flamed out really quick. Horrible defense and he lost a ton of confidence in his shot.
Randy Foye: D, he did the best that he could but he's clearly done as an NBA player.
Andrew Nicholson: F, not really worth retaining but i guess he helps us hit the cap min.
I agree with all of this except for:
Lin: Incomplete overall, B+ for his 33 games played. Lin's per36 numbers showed career highs in many areas.
Booker: A-, his per36 stats showed career highs in many areas, and he was the defensive anchor in 1st half of the season
Dinwiddie: B+, an early season afterthought ended up shooting 44/38/79 and became the defacto backup PG
Hamilton: C-, for a backup center, I thought he did his job. Early in the season, he was the team's best 3pt shooter, but then his vision was messed up and he had migraines, and then he went into a tailspin. There is some salvagable value here.
MrDollarBills wrote:I was being cautious with handing out high grades because we have to remember, this was a 20 win team despite the high effort.
JohnStockton wrote:For example, going into this season, I thought the team would MAX out their talent level, and win 27 games in a best case scenario. That's 27 wins IF most of the players played to their best ability, AND IF the coaching staff performed well. Factoring in the injuries this season, the team was about (or above?) that win rate when they were healthy, so I take that as a clear sign that the team pretty much maxed out their abilities when they had a chance.
reelsgm wrote:JohnStockton wrote:For example, going into this season, I thought the team would MAX out their talent level, and win 27 games in a best case scenario. That's 27 wins IF most of the players played to their best ability, AND IF the coaching staff performed well. Factoring in the injuries this season, the team was about (or above?) that win rate when they were healthy, so I take that as a clear sign that the team pretty much maxed out their abilities when they had a chance.
Lin believes your 27 mark was too low, today said he believes had Nets been healthy all season, we would have made the playoffs and he alluded to many in the locker room who believed such.
JohnStockton wrote:reelsgm wrote:JohnStockton wrote:For example, going into this season, I thought the team would MAX out their talent level, and win 27 games in a best case scenario. That's 27 wins IF most of the players played to their best ability, AND IF the coaching staff performed well. Factoring in the injuries this season, the team was about (or above?) that win rate when they were healthy, so I take that as a clear sign that the team pretty much maxed out their abilities when they had a chance.
Even if Lin was healthy, that opening roster with Scola/Bennett/Harris playing (while Whitehead was still too green, and LeVert was still injured) was one of the worst teams in the league on defense, and that would have been too much to overcome.
