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Hi guys,

I know there is a Brook Lopez thread already, but I wanted to get your opinion on if you think the Nets are going to keep him. I remember hearing rumors that they were trying to trade him for 2 picks, but nothing happened. Do you still think the Nets want to trade him? If he is traded, who will be the center to take his spot?

-Noel? I think he is going to get a lot of interest from other teams and he may choose to sign with them, but I can't see Dallas letting him go.

-Okafor - I like him on the Nets and think Atkinson can develop him into a good player. He is still young and can develop other skills. His man to man defense is okay. He just needs to learn to defend and have the urge to want to defend. He has a mid range jumper and who knows, like Lopez, he could develop a 3 pt shot. His value is low now, and the Nets have some draft picks that may be able to get him.

-Alex Len - He had a lot of potential in college and has been an okay player. Could Atkinson help him reach his full potential? I'd pay him 4 years 60 million. I know it's over paying, but you have to in the Nets position.

Zubac-He is young and has a lot of potential offensively. He was playing in both the D league and the nba and he definitely showed a lot of improvement. His defense still needs a lot of improvement, but he has a lot of potential. Lakers fans are really high on him. He could be obtained in a trade with the lakers as part of a salary dump.

Dedmon-I didn't really know much about him, but others are high on him and I saw some highlights and I see potential.

I actually hope the Nets keep Lopez because he can for sure do a lot offensively and space the floor, which makes life easier for RHJ. Will RHJ be as effective if the nets had a defensive center that can't score?

jimbo7 wrote:Hi guys,

I know there is a Brook Lopez thread already, but I wanted to get your opinion on if you think the Nets are going to keep him. I remember hearing rumors that they were trying to trade him for 2 picks, but nothing happened. Do you still think the Nets want to trade him? If he is traded, who will be the center to take his spot?

They would love to trade him, as he isnt in the long term plans for an extension. The issue is, the past 2 seasons no one has been willing to give up anything of value. would the nets take a pair of second rounders or a mid to late first? they werent at the deadline so not sure if that changes now. But his value is at his lowest as a 1 year rental they need to move or lose without getting anything back.

My hope is we can get a mid first and move it like when we traded thad last year.

-Noel? I think he is going to get a lot of interest from other teams and he may choose to sign with them, but I can't see Dallas letting him go.

My hope is we move lopez and offer noel a huge RFA deal. i think dallas would match as well

-Okafor - I like him on the Nets and think Atkinson can develop him into a good player. He is still young and can develop other skills. His man to man defense is okay. He just needs to learn to defend and have the urge to want to defend. He has a mid range jumper and who knows, like Lopez, he could develop a 3 pt shot. His value is low now, and the Nets have some draft picks that may be able to get him.

I think he is a terrible fit and want no part of him.... we need guys who defend not score at center. we have taken steps to move towards a modern team. unless its a defensive stud i dont want to invest into guys at C who will require volume on offense or eventual big dollars. id be really upset if we aquired him. i think he can be a 17/8 type guy, so its not that i dont think he is good. i just hate the fit

-Alex Len - He had a lot of potential in college and has been an okay player. Could Atkinson help him reach his full potential? I'd pay him 4 years 60 million. I know it's over paying, but you have to in the Nets position.

id hate this as well. 15M contracts kill you... your not getting allstar talent yet it still eats up big cap. id rather go with a lesser version on the cheap and draft a young big

Zubac-He is young and has a lot of potential offensively. He was playing in both the D league and the nba and he definitely showed a lot of improvement. His defense still needs a lot of improvement, but he has a lot of potential. Lakers fans are really high on him. He could be obtained in a trade with the lakers as part of a salary dump.

i dont know anything about him but if taking salary dumps i want draft picks

Dedmon-I didn't really know much about him, but others are high on him and I saw some highlights and I see potential.

This is the guy we need to go after. im on the phone at midnight the day free agency starts with a 20+ million offer

I actually hope the Nets keep Lopez because he can for sure do a lot offensively and space the floor, which makes life easier for RHJ. Will RHJ be as effective if the nets had a defensive center that can't score?

Lopez can score and space the floor but the league is filled with shooters and scorers. Lopez cant play in a modern defense. he isnt a terrible defender... but its actually worse in reality because you cant trap pick and rolls you cant switch pick and rolls, and you can zone/rotate or do all the things that make successful defenses good. you have to go over every screen and concede corner threes. we would be MUCH better off moving on from lopez and bringing ina defensive/rebounder whether its a cheaper guy or a dedmond type.

there are 3 or 4 stretch bigs we can take at 22/27. we can replace the scoring and shooting. we need the D/rebounding.

RHJ is fine without brook here. just make sure you fill Foyes spot with a shooter. we are interested in reddick that gives us Lin(37% from three) Reddick(assasin from three) Levert (shot 40+ in college from three and heated up late). that is plenty of spacing

I'm not so sure they would go after a strickly back to the basket center like Okafur whose defense is just as bad as Lopez's. Brook shoots the three spacing the floor.

Dedmond would be a good guy to come off the bench but his skillset doesn't fit the playing style.

I know they won 20 games but they have a system dependent on player's being able to shoot from the perimeter.

kamaze wrote:I'm not so sure they would go after a strickly back to the basket center like Okafur whose defense is just as bad as Lopez's. Brook shoots the three spacing the floor.

Dedmond would be a good guy to come off the bench but his skillset doesn't fit the playing style.

I know they won 20 games but they have a system dependent on player's being able to shoot from the perimeter.

Brook's defense is a lot better than Okafor.

Let's keep in mind, Lopez finished with 134 threes, 176 assists, 124 blocks. Porzingis, Gasol, Cousins are the few bigs to do the same.

Who within that list or on the trade market is replacing that or coming close? That's why he's still here and why he will be here barring a chance at a lottery pick in the draft.


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Paradise wrote:Let's keep in mind, Lopez finished with 134 threes, 176 assists, 124 blocks. Porzingis, Gasol, Cousins are the few bigs to do the same.

Who within that list or on the trade market is replacing that or coming close? That's why he's still here and why he will be here barring a chance at a lottery pick in the draft.


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No one they'd get would duplicate those stats. Marks has a tough decision trade him or keep him. He's worth more than a pick imo.

As much as some fans would love to see him gone for a bag of peanuts, I don't think they'd trade him for anything less then a pick in the teens and something else of some sort of value and I don't blame them.

kamaze wrote:I'm not so sure they would go after a strickly back to the basket center like Okafur whose defense is just as bad as Lopez's. Brook shoots the three spacing the floor.

Dedmond would be a good guy to come off the bench but his skillset doesn't fit the playing style.

I know they won 20 games but they have a system dependent on player's being able to shoot from the perimeter.

exactly... what is the point of moving on from lopez to bring in okafor who is a worse version of lopez?

we need to move brook and either go rookie or someone like dedmon

Paradise wrote:Let's keep in mind, Lopez finished with 134 threes, 176 assists, 124 blocks. Porzingis, Gasol, Cousins are the few bigs to do the same.

Why do we need to replace it? I think the idea is not to replace that, but to invest in other things that have more of an impact on winning, and moreso to invest that max salary on the wings and restructure our salary so we arent paying for an offensive center... Who within that list or on the trade market is replacing that or coming close?[/quote]

for example, you replace those threes by invest lopez salary on the wing into an assasin from three. then you bring in a defensive center who maybe gets less blocks but can blow up pick and rolls and switch on to smaller players. you make the C spot a role player and your SF your scorer instead of how it is now where our SF is a role player and our center is our scorer.

That's why he's still here and why he will be here barring a chance at a lottery pick in the draft.

No, he is still here because no team is willing to give up a first rounder for him. they have trade to trade him what? 4,5... 6 years in a row? no team finds him valuable enough to give anything of value for him. not when he had years on his deal, not when he is expiring.

vincecarter4pres wrote:As much as some fans would love to see him gone for a bag of peanuts, I don't think they'd trade him for anything less then a pick in the teens and something else of some sort of value and I don't blame them.

i'll blame them when we go 33-49 and then either he walks and we get nothing out of it but a losing season or we extend him to another max deal and lock ourselves into mediocrity/underachievment for another 3-4 seasons

I wouldn't trust any of these centers to replace Brook. I might be one of the few fans that hope Nets keep Brook, I just think he is a true professional and does what coaches ask him to do to the best of his ability and that's all I can ask for. Every year since he's been a Nets he has to deal with trade rumors and does not complain about it one time. I hope Brook retires a Net. I understand we can't win a chip with him but I would rather draft a young center with potential and let him develop behind Brook while Brook becomes the 6th man of the year. We won't get much value by trading him so we might as well just keep him, I can see him taking pay cuts to stay here too. We have to wait until the Cavs and GS hype dies down anyway.

Papi_swav wrote:I wouldn't trust any of these centers to replace Brook. I might be one of the few fans that hope Nets keep Brook, I just think he is a true professional and does what coaches ask him to do to the best of his ability and that's all I can ask for. Every year since he's been a Nets he has to deal with trade rumors and does not complain about it one time. I hope Brook retires a Net. I understand we can't win a chip with him but I would rather draft a young center with potential and let him develop behind Brook while Brook becomes the 6th man of the year. We won't get much value by trading him so we might as well just keep him, I can see him taking pay cuts to stay here too. We have to wait until the Cavs and GS hype dies down anyway.

If lopez does stay, thats the only way it makes sense.. as instant offense in 25ish minutes off the bench...

it would be shocking. being loyal is nice and all but when was the last time a 29 year old with an injury history passed up what could be his last max deal in order to take a pay cut from his prior contract? seems a but pipe dreamish to me. but who knows with lopez.

to me any option besides an extension/resigning is a good to great option.

marks seems undecided. when he first came the way he talked it seemed like brook was 100% gone. he is still beyond non comital, saying lopez future here is uncertain, but he seems to have gtten to where he would consider keeping him here.

i dont think it would suprise anyone if he was traded, if we let him walk, or if we resigned him

Prokorov wrote:

Papi_swav wrote:I wouldn't trust any of these centers to replace Brook. I might be one of the few fans that hope Nets keep Brook, I just think he is a true professional and does what coaches ask him to do to the best of his ability and that's all I can ask for. Every year since he's been a Nets he has to deal with trade rumors and does not complain about it one time. I hope Brook retires a Net. I understand we can't win a chip with him but I would rather draft a young center with potential and let him develop behind Brook while Brook becomes the 6th man of the year. We won't get much value by trading him so we might as well just keep him, I can see him taking pay cuts to stay here too. We have to wait until the Cavs and GS hype dies down anyway.

If lopez does stay, thats the only way it makes sense.. as instant offense in 25ish minutes off the bench...

it would be shocking. being loyal is nice and all but when was the last time a 29 year old with an injury history passed up what could be his last max deal in order to take a pay cut from his prior contract? seems a but pipe dreamish to me. but who knows with lopez.

to me any option besides an extension/resigning is a good to great option.

marks seems undecided. when he first came the way he talked it seemed like brook was 100% gone. he is still beyond non comital, saying lopez future here is uncertain, but he seems to have gtten to where he would consider keeping him here.

i dont think it would suprise anyone if he was traded, if we let him walk, or if we resigned him

Yea I agree, I wouldn't be surprised if either happens. But with the way the NBA is going I can only see maybe 2-3 teams giving him a big contract at 30 years old, a lot of teams have young centers that fit their team and we all know what Brook weaknesses are. I just don't see him being traded because we wouldn't get good enough value back or what Marks is looking for, we might have to take a bad contract just to get a pick in the late 20s or so. It's either he resigns for a decent contract or just walk.

Papi_swav wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

Papi_swav wrote:I wouldn't trust any of these centers to replace Brook. I might be one of the few fans that hope Nets keep Brook, I just think he is a true professional and does what coaches ask him to do to the best of his ability and that's all I can ask for. Every year since he's been a Nets he has to deal with trade rumors and does not complain about it one time. I hope Brook retires a Net. I understand we can't win a chip with him but I would rather draft a young center with potential and let him develop behind Brook while Brook becomes the 6th man of the year. We won't get much value by trading him so we might as well just keep him, I can see him taking pay cuts to stay here too. We have to wait until the Cavs and GS hype dies down anyway.

If lopez does stay, thats the only way it makes sense.. as instant offense in 25ish minutes off the bench...

it would be shocking. being loyal is nice and all but when was the last time a 29 year old with an injury history passed up what could be his last max deal in order to take a pay cut from his prior contract? seems a but pipe dreamish to me. but who knows with lopez.

to me any option besides an extension/resigning is a good to great option.

marks seems undecided. when he first came the way he talked it seemed like brook was 100% gone. he is still beyond non comital, saying lopez future here is uncertain, but he seems to have gtten to where he would consider keeping him here.

i dont think it would suprise anyone if he was traded, if we let him walk, or if we resigned him

Yea I agree, I wouldn't be surprised if either happens. But with the way the NBA is going I can only see maybe 2-3 teams giving him a big contract at 30 years old, a lot of teams have young centers that fit their team and we all know what Brook weaknesses are. I just don't see him being traded because we wouldn't get good enough value back or what Marks is looking for, we might have to take a bad contract just to get a pick in the late 20s or so. It's either he resigns for a decent contract or just walk.

i dont know... alot of teams with cap space and alot of GMs/coaches that need to improve.win this year or get fired. id have to think soemone is givnig him at least 3/75. maybe the bulls?

Prokorov wrote:

Papi_swav wrote:

Prokorov wrote:
If lopez does stay, thats the only way it makes sense.. as instant offense in 25ish minutes off the bench...

it would be shocking. being loyal is nice and all but when was the last time a 29 year old with an injury history passed up what could be his last max deal in order to take a pay cut from his prior contract? seems a but pipe dreamish to me. but who knows with lopez.

to me any option besides an extension/resigning is a good to great option.

marks seems undecided. when he first came the way he talked it seemed like brook was 100% gone. he is still beyond non comital, saying lopez future here is uncertain, but he seems to have gtten to where he would consider keeping him here.

i dont think it would suprise anyone if he was traded, if we let him walk, or if we resigned him

Yea I agree, I wouldn't be surprised if either happens. But with the way the NBA is going I can only see maybe 2-3 teams giving him a big contract at 30 years old, a lot of teams have young centers that fit their team and we all know what Brook weaknesses are. I just don't see him being traded because we wouldn't get good enough value back or what Marks is looking for, we might have to take a bad contract just to get a pick in the late 20s or so. It's either he resigns for a decent contract or just walk.

i dont know... alot of teams with cap space and alot of GMs/coaches that need to improve.win this year or get fired. id have to think soemone is givnig him at least 3/75. maybe the bulls?

Matter of fact, I take back what I said.... Mozgov got 15 million per and so did Mahimi, Brook is definitely getting 20 plus lol

Papi_swav wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

Papi_swav wrote:Yea I agree, I wouldn't be surprised if either happens. But with the way the NBA is going I can only see maybe 2-3 teams giving him a big contract at 30 years old, a lot of teams have young centers that fit their team and we all know what Brook weaknesses are. I just don't see him being traded because we wouldn't get good enough value back or what Marks is looking for, we might have to take a bad contract just to get a pick in the late 20s or so. It's either he resigns for a decent contract or just walk.

i dont know... alot of teams with cap space and alot of GMs/coaches that need to improve.win this year or get fired. id have to think soemone is givnig him at least 3/75. maybe the bulls?

Matter of fact, I take back what I said.... Mozgov got 15 million per and so did Mahimi, Brook is definitely getting 20 plus lol

dont forget noah!

i think we need an upgrade from lopez who is better at rebounding and defense.

Love Lopez hope we keep him. Good offense, 3 point shooting, and interior defense

Prokorov wrote:

kamaze wrote:I'm not so sure they would go after a strickly back to the basket center like Okafur whose defense is just as bad as Lopez's. Brook shoots the three spacing the floor.

Dedmond would be a good guy to come off the bench but his skillset doesn't fit the playing style.

I know they won 20 games but they have a system dependent on player's being able to shoot from the perimeter.

exactly... what is the point of moving on from lopez to bring in okafor who is a worse version of lopez?

we need to move brook and either go rookie or someone like dedmon

Do you want Dedmon to start? I was thinking about having him come off the bench.

TheSparkleKing wrote:Love Lopez hope we keep him. Good offense, 3 point shooting, and interior defense

love him too.. I hate his PNR defense though... other than that... he has been excellent, he is still a top 8 center.