Did Atkinson Utilize Brook Correctly?

Dynamite79 · Post #1 » by **Dynamite79** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 5:24 am

Hi I was wondering because I just finished watching the Double OT game where the Clippers faced the Nets and 80% of the time Brook was camping out in the 3 PT Area. There would also be times where Brook would be Waiting in the same Vicinity as Steph Curry when he shoots those Deep 3's which is basically taking him out of the play. Did Atkinson use Brook like that All year?

That really LIMITS his offensive arsenal when you do that since his Post Game is great. It would be Better if they had him still use his Post Game and shoot the 3's here and there which would make him more Lethal and it would Balance out More. The Announcer mentioned this during the game btw.

Brook Played great defense that game I might add, he did score 27 Points as well but if they fed him the Ball in the post he would have dominated.

There was a time where Mo Speighs was on the Floor against Brook.....Why didn't Atkinson have Brook Destroy Speighs in the Paint?

I mean the Nets organization and I don't mean to offend anyone is really inept. I know with the 3 being added you will have less time in the Paint but why are they paying a center....to be a spot up 3Pt Shooter....for 18-20 million dollars?

It's baffling really and his Post game is really good. There were SOME nights where he would even put up 30+ with that alone.

Wouldn't Brook be Unstoppable if he used both the shooting and the Post? Big men have to do work in the trenches just like the NFL where the games are won in the trenches.

I know the NBA is more guard oriented but you just can't take a Big man like Brook away from the trenches since he is the last player to even have an old school, Natural Post game.

Just watching Brook DOMINATE AND DESTROY ANDRE DRUMMOND in the Paint in the game where he made the game winner was Epic and Drummond is the Best Defensive Center in the Game on top of that.

I'm just asking for fans to give me a summary of Brook this year.

ChokeFasncists · Post #2 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 6:40 am

Pretty much the whole league has gone away from this. Most of the slow post up bigs come off the bench or the teams want them to.

Kenny talked about setting up motion offense first might have something to do with it as well. He likes shooting 3s and stretch bigs.

Brook's passing isn't good enough. He wasn't able to mix those things. His posting up also isn't that good, it's good but not great.

It might have been easier to do had Lin not been out for so long and if they developed great chemistry.

shakendfries · Post #3 » by **shakendfries** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 11:42 am

we don't care.

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MrDollarBills · Post #4 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 1:02 pm

Lopez shot 35% from downtown on good volume. I'd say Kenny knew what he was doing

Prokorov · Post #5 » by **Prokorov** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 4:31 pm

Dynamite79 wrote:Hi I was wondering because I just finished watching the Double OT game where the Clippers faced the Nets and 80% of the time Brook was camping out in the 3 PT Area. There would also be times where Brook would be Waiting in the same Vicinity as Steph Curry when he shoots those Deep 3's which is basically taking him out of the play. Did Atkinson use Brook like that All year?

That really LIMITS his offensive arsenal when you do that since his Post Game is great. It would be Better if they had him still use his Post Game and shoot the 3's here and there which would make him more Lethal and it would Balance out More. The Announcer mentioned this during the game btw.

Brooks post game isnt great... its probably the weakest part of his offensive arsenal. His strength is facing up on the baseline 15-18 feet out and then either dirving to the rim or using the rip through to draw a foul. outside of that the pick and pop/pick and push where he can catch and go right up are his strengths

he really struggles in the low post... both to get position and to get a good look off. he often gets muscles off his spot. back to the basket he just isnt very good. his face up game is where its at.

Atkinson used him right, as a floor spacer and putting him in spots where defenders have to close our hard, making it easier for him to drive, one of his biggest strengths.

Mkdaman1818 · Post #6 » by **Mkdaman1818** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 4:55 pm

Atkinson took advantage of his improved shooting and put him outside, clearing the paint for our slashers to drive. We will probably use mozgov the same way

Post #7 » by **CalamityX12** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 5:50 pm

Lopez was our best 3pt shooter....

our Center....

......was our best ......

3pt shooter.

lol

Post #8 » by **CalamityX12** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 5:51 pm

Kenny doesn't like offensive rebounds....

MrDollarBills · Post #9 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 5:59 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:Kenny doesn't like offensive rebounds....

or defensive rebounds for that matter, since we were getting dogged on the glass all season long

Paradise · Post #10 » by **Paradise** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 7:06 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:Kenny doesn't like offensive rebounds....

Neither does Lopez. There's like 16 teams that preach sacrificing offensive rebounds for transition defense. Doc Rivers has been doing that since 2007.

I'm going to miss him come October but I seriously can't think of another coach that improved Brook's game more than Atkinson. Lawerence Frank was the last good coach he truly had but he was a rookie. Kenny saved his career as a starter in this league.

We couldn't trade the man for 3 years because people didn't think his value was that good. Why? He isn't fast, he doesn't rebound, couldn't stay healthy and he didn't pass.

Under Kenny he averaged nearly 3 assists per 36 and shot 37% for majority of the season from three, got plenty of rest days and never missed a game with a major ailment. Shooting outside equals less chance of injury outside the paint than inside. I recall he broke his foot in Philly back in 2013 from battling in the paint and somebody tripping his foot.

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Karate Diop · Post #11 » by **Karate Diop** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 7:29 pm

Yes.

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It was a developmental season for Brook and Kenny helped Develop Brook's three-point shot and ability to drive to the basket. Mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned...

DarkXaero · Post #12 » by **DarkXaero** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 7:57 pm

Kenny did the right thing by getting Brook to expand his game to 3pt range. But at the same time, Kenny made Brook too dependent on camping on 3pt line for spacing. It was kinda understandable because the team had no real offensive threat outside of Brook, since Lin was out for most of the season. But it reduced Brook's effectiveness in the paint as he was too often found on the 3pt line.

MGrand15 · Post #13 » by **MGrand15** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 8:08 pm

Huh? You're really using a one game sample size to judge a coach?

Brook might have had his best year as a pro. Career high in points and assists per 36 minutes. Added a high volume 3pt game without sacrificing free throws AT ALL. That shows he mixed it up in the paint just as much as normal.

And he posted up plenty. He's still an elite post player. Guys on this forum just take guys for granted and peddle this nonsense that he can't post up even though there's only like 2 or 3 guys better.

Post #14 » by **CalamityX12** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 8:10 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
CalamityX12 wrote:Kenny doesn't like offensive rebounds....

or defensive rebounds for that matter, since we were getting dogged on the glass all season long

thats on Brook lol...

they guy starts firing down the other end once the ball is in the air...

Dynamite79 · Post #15 » by **Dynamite79** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 8:30 pm

Yeah so no one remembers the Clippers game? Where Brook Didn't get a touch towards the end 4th qtr not counting the 3 lol

Only reason Nets won is because Doc Rivers is a bonehead. This man lost an 18 Point lead in the 4th quarter. Then he did the same garbage again VS THE KINGS WITH NO DEMARCUS COUSINS.

All he needed to do was double team Kilpatrick since Brook is Hanging out where Curry takes those Deep 3s and live or die by the result. I mean how many Points did Kilpatrick put up in the 4th? Yet Doc is to much of an Imbecile to double team him since that was the only offense the Nets even had.

Atkinson was a bonehead as well but luckily Rivers got the best of him which is why the Clippers are going to be sewer poop next season.

I don't understand some fans who magically forget all the mistakes that a coach was doing when they "win" a game. If Clippers won then what? Oh the Nets fans would focus on Atkinson and his mistakes one being why Brook didn't get a touch who's only your All time Leading scorer. Then somehow when a player is capable of putting up 30- 35 points using Post game who's done it in the past is only above average lol.

Then you want to take that away? Why because he's capable of hitting 3s? The Announcers were talking about this as well as I stated early.

Again go watch Brook Destroy Drummond in the Paint highlights are online.

Also if you remember that trade that could've happened Brook to the Thunder. If the Thunder Got Brook they would have won a ring with Westbrook and Durant.

I forget what year that was but that would've been unstoppable.

MGrand15 · Post #16 » by **MGrand15** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 1:09 pm

Nah I'm not letting this slide. Brook just averaged career highs in points and assists per 36 minutes AND efficiency. Brook and Kenny did a great job last year offensively.

Prokorov · Post #17 » by **Prokorov** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 1:15 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Huh? You're really using a one game sample size to judge a coach?

Brook might have had his best year as a pro. Career high in points and assists per 36 minutes. Added a high volume 3pt game without sacrificing free throws AT ALL. That shows he mixed it up in the paint just as much as normal.

And he posted up plenty. He's still an elite post player. Guys on this forum just take guys for granted and peddle this nonsense that he can't post up even though there's only like 2 or 3 guys better.

Brook didnt take more jumpers last year then he did in the past... just instead of threes they were inefficient long twos.

Lopez took 300+ shots from 16-23 feet in each of his 3 prior full seasons. kenny just turned those long twos into threes. brook scored as much at the rim/FT line last year as he had in the past.

MrDollarBills · Post #18 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 1:37 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Huh? You're really using a one game sample size to judge a coach?

Brook might have had his best year as a pro. Career high in points and assists per 36 minutes. Added a high volume 3pt game without sacrificing free throws AT ALL. That shows he mixed it up in the paint just as much as normal.

And he posted up plenty. He's still an elite post player. Guys on this forum just take guys for granted and peddle this nonsense that he can't post up even though there's only like 2 or 3 guys better.

Lopez is nearly unguardable when he catches the ball low, turns and faces his defender for an off the dribble attack or when he catches the ball in motion. I don't really view his post ups as traditional stuff like say guys like Kevin McHale used to do.

There was a spin move he executed off of the dribble from the foul line area to the rim for a score last season that was flat out nasty, something that you'd see a shooting guard or small forward execute. I think Brook is a solid offensive player overall. He just has cement feet defensively.

MrDollarBills · Post #19 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 1:45 pm

Dynamite79 wrote:Yeah so no one remembers the Clippers game? Where Brook Didn't get a touch towards the end 4th qtr not counting the 3 lol

Only reason Nets won is because Doc Rivers is a bonehead. This man lost an 18 Point lead in the 4th quarter. Then he did the same garbage again VS THE KINGS WITH NO DEMARCUS COUSINS.

All he needed to do was double team Kilpatrick since Brook is Hanging out where Curry takes those Deep 3s and live or die by the result. I mean how many Points did Kilpatrick put up in the 4th? Yet Doc is to much of an Imbecile to double team him since that was the only offense the Nets even had.

Atkinson was a bonehead as well but luckily Rivers got the best of him which is why the Clippers are going to be sewer poop next season.

I don't understand some fans who magically forget all the mistakes that a coach was doing when they "win" a game. If Clippers won then what? Oh the Nets fans would focus on Atkinson and his mistakes one being why Brook didn't get a touch who's only your All time Leading scorer. Then somehow when a player is capable of putting up 30- 35 points using Post game who's done it in the past is only above average lol.

Then you want to take that away? Why because he's capable of hitting 3s? The Announcers were talking about this as well as I stated early.

Again go watch Brook Destroy Drummond in the Paint highlights are online.

Also if you remember that trade that could've happened Brook to the Thunder. If the Thunder Got Brook they would have won a ring with Westbrook and Durant.

I forget what year that was but that would've been unstoppable.

Lopez was scoring from all over the place last season. I'm not sure why Kenny's back is getting kicked in here when Lopez expanding his game to the 3pt line actually made him a more dangerous offensive player overall.

Kenny made multiple mistakes last year. He also made really good decisions, kept guys engaged in every game in a long season, got improvement from players, expanded Lopez's game, and is by far one of the best coaches we've had in here at drawing up plays coming off of time outs. It's not just a one or the other thing, the guy was a rookie nba head coach.

I haven't seen a Nets team play this hard since the Kidd finals team and the Kidd/Carter led team of 2004-05 that went on an absolute tear post all star break to make the playoffs while playing with straight up garbage(Richard Jefferson was injured for the entire season). That speaks volumes about Kenny's coaching.

Prokorov · Post #20 » by **Prokorov** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 11:40 pm

yeah sorry but im nto sure how anyone can get on kenny for not feed brook in the post late in close games when:

1) the post game is the weakest part of his offense
2) he has been a pretty poor 4th qtr player (the worst quarter of his career by splits)

Kenny made brook a much better player. instead of brook shooting decent percentage on long twos teams would gladly let him take, he now shoots a good percentage on threes and creates space or makes teams pay for leaving him open. last year was arguably lopez best season as a pro.