Where do we find a PF of the Future?

[Trader_Joe]

Seems we are locked in at most positions (at least to the best of our ability/resources).

PG has Lin and Russell
SG has Russell, LeVert, Whitehead
SF has Crabbe, LeVert
C has Allen and Mozzy for 3 years

while PF has RHJ, I'm not sure he's the long term answer there. We don't really have any size or offense and Booker and Acy are journeymen.

So, where do find a PF to grow with the core?

Free agency?
Some names next year... Parker, Randle, Gordon. All restricted, but the Bucks may be hesitant to commit to JP after his injuries (we should probably be too), Randle might get renounced for cap space and be unrestricted and Gordon is in a make or break year.

Unrestricted there is Favors who is slightly older and may want a big pay day.

Draft?
We have the Toronto picks and a couple second, but it might be optimistic expecting to find someone good enough to be consider the future at PF that late. Of course we could try to move, but I admittedly don't know the draft class well enough to name names.

Trade?
Maybe the Lakers look to move Randle now to help clear salary like Clarkson or Deng.
Saric? He may be the odd man out with all the front court depth in Philly.
One of the Denver guys? Lyles buried on their depth chart?

What are some ideas you guys have?

[Keith Van Horn]

Seems we are locked in at most positions (at least to the best of our ability/resources).

PG has Lin and Russell
SG has Russell, LeVert, Whitehead
SF has Crabbe, LeVert
C has Allen and Mozzy for 3 years

while PF has RHJ, I'm not sure he's the long term answer there. We don't really have any size or offense and Booker and Acy are journeymen.

So, where do find a PF to grow with the core?

Free agency?
Some names next year... Parker, Randle, Gordon. All restricted, but the Bucks may be hesitant to commit to JP after his injuries (we should probably be too), Randle might get renounced for cap space and be unrestricted and Gordon is in a make or break year.

Unrestricted there is Favors who is slightly older and may want a big pay day.

Draft?
We have the Toronto picks and a couple second, but it might be optimistic expecting to find someone good enough to be consider the future at PF that late. Of course we could try to move, but I admittedly don't know the draft class well enough to name names.

Trade?
Maybe the Lakers look to move Randle now to help clear salary like Clarkson or Deng.
Saric? He may be the odd man out with all the front court depth in Philly.
One of the Denver guys? Lyles buried on their depth chart?

What are some ideas you guys have?

The thing with the draft is if you're penciling yourself into needing a specific position, you may miss out on a guy with crazy talent or prospect. I'd say with our draft pick I'd pick the best available guy. I know it sounds kind of silly, but just think if we didn't say we had Deron Williams so we're not targeting Damian Lillard.... Imagine having both. Running 2 PG, or trading one of them for a positional need of an already established player.

I would say through trade would be best. Seems like that's how Sean Marks has been operating. He swung for the fences this year with Russell and Crabbe (guess you have to include Moz since he's starting). I would look around to see who could be a good fit for the style of basketball here and see where negotiations land us. I don't know about speculating on who we can trade for right now, just b/c it seems like teams are gearing up for preseason and rosters are starting to be finalized. But once the season starts I'm sure Marks will be tuning into plenty of games all around the NBA as much as he's watching his Nets product.

I'm iffy about free agency. I think he played his cards right with holding out on certain names that were floating around. I don't even know how attractive we are at this point as a franchise to be able to rely on free agency. So I don't even know if we can necessarily have success here. Marks did the right thing by waiting, see who bites of modest deals, then waited even more until the market worked in his favor.



so I'm in favor of the trade. Let the season start, see how teams perform. Are there any opportunities out there we can capitalize on, like a player who might be worked out of rotation but Marks sees a star, or a good player in a bad situation/team that we can steal away (a la DLo)?

[shakendfries]

If somebody suggests trading Rondae for some trash ass bum who refuses play defense like Mirotic or Ryan Anderson or some other Kevin Love knockoff I'm gonna start losing hair

Parker needs to play ball in a bubble suit. Gordon is trash. Randle is trash. Saric has played second fiddle to Bojan, which makes him trash by default.

Lyles? I actually liked Lyles out of college.

[shakendfries]

Although fans will naturally gravitate towards the superstars, there are only a handful of them in the NBA (Westbrook, AD, Wall). For the majority of NBA players, becoming effective means excelling within one's role. That's where players like DeAndre Jordan, Rudy Gobert, Draymond Green, and even DeMare Caroll have been able to carve out niches for themselves.

With regards to the Nets PF, I'd prefer a player who can play a versatile & dynamic role on defense at the 4 spot. With as many legitimate perimeter threats as the Nets have, I suspect a player like Andre Roberson would probably have much easier time thriving on the Nets than he has had with OKC in the past (adding George this year changes that dynamic, and puts them in position to be an elite team on both ends of the court)

[MrDollarBills]

I'll wait til I see RHJ at PF for a full season before I consider anything.

[CalamityX12]

RHJ is a 3/4... in the Kenny system, and per his own skillset, he plays the 4 role...

so which type of PF are we looking for? Stretch? Traditional? Hybrid? Small? Point Forward(Odom like)?

[CalamityX12]

With teams locking up actual good players, it'll be hard to trade for young stars rather than the over the hill or expiring ones who express no interest in resigning...

Draft seems best choice now.

[Trader_Joe]

RHJ is a 3/4... in the Kenny system, and per his own skillset, he plays the 4 role...

so which type of PF are we looking for? Stretch? Traditional? Hybrid? Small? Point Forward(Odom like)?

I'd say stretch.. we have no shooting among our bigs other than the expiring Acy.

[CalamityX12]

RHJ is a 3/4... in the Kenny system, and per his own skillset, he plays the 4 role...

so which type of PF are we looking for? Stretch? Traditional? Hybrid? Small? Point Forward(Odom like)?

I'd say stretch.. we have no shooting among our bigs other than the expiring Acy.

Stretch...

sounds more like Draft for actual reliance. An european reliable stretch PF doesn't come after so chances there are slim....

The good stretches are getting locked up now.

But if we want someone simply to drill the shot, then we can find those.

[Trader_Joe]

RHJ is a 3/4... in the Kenny system, and per his own skillset, he plays the 4 role...

so which type of PF are we looking for? Stretch? Traditional? Hybrid? Small? Point Forward(Odom like)?

I'd say stretch.. we have no shooting among our bigs other than the expiring Acy.

Stretch...

sounds more like Draft for actual reliance. An european reliable stretch PF doesn't come after so chances there are slim....

The good stretches are getting locked up now.

But if we want someone simply to drill the shot, then we can find those.

Or really just an offensive game.
Randle intrigues me. Great passer, can handle the ball, score and rebounds well. Not sure his chemistry with Russell, but might be worth a shot either in trade or if he becomes unrestricted.

[shakendfries]

I'd say stretch.. we have no shooting among our bigs other than the expiring Acy.

Stretch...

sounds more like Draft for actual reliance. An european reliable stretch PF doesn't come after so chances there are slim....

The good stretches are getting locked up now.

But if we want someone simply to drill the shot, then we can find those.

Or really just an offensive game.
Randle intrigues me. Great passer, can handle the ball, score and rebounds well. Not sure his chemistry with Russell, but might be worth a shot either in trade or if he becomes unrestricted.

Randle can't stretch the floor. He plays like ZBo & I like ZBo, but you said you wanted someone to stretch the floor, not clog the paint

[shakendfries]

the PF the Nets need is Anthony Davis. but the chances of a healthy Davis winding up on the Nets is slim to none

[Trader_Joe]

Stretch...

sounds more like Draft for actual reliance. An european reliable stretch PF doesn't come after so chances there are slim....

The good stretches are getting locked up now.

But if we want someone simply to drill the shot, then we can find those.

Or really just an offensive game.
Randle intrigues me. Great passer, can handle the ball, score and rebounds well. Not sure his chemistry with Russell, but might be worth a shot either in trade or if he becomes unrestricted.

Randle can't stretch the floor. He plays like ZBo & I like ZBo, but you said you wanted someone to stretch the floor, not clog the paint

He can score, pass and handle the ball. Don't have that at the moment.

[J_LA]

Randle is not trash. His chemistry with Russell is great. His fit with this team is very intriguing.

[Vae Victus]

Gallinari from the Clips

Think he's slowed down enough where playing starter mins at SF isnt viable. Whereas fulltime PF he'd fit in like a glove on offense.

Assuming RHJ didnt take a major step in development, can just have him backup Gallo for a coupla years before making a decision on extending him or Gallo.

Some options. Crabbe or Carroll straight up for Gallo. Wanna purge some salary and try to save it for another position if possible.

PG - Lin, Dim
SG - DLo, Whitehead
SF - Levert, Crabbe or Carroll?, ???, Harris?
PF- Gallinari, RHJ
C - Mozgov, Allen

Balances out the lineup nicely, adding a huge dose of skill and some size at the PF position. Shooting 1-4 acheived with a better player in Gallo vs Carroll imo. Levert graduates to starter. I'd personally resign Lin to give the offense a more dynamic threat, but if the team thinks money is better spend elsewhere then a starting lvl SF needs to be found as Levert shifts to SG or DLo/Crabbe/Levert is the way to go.

PG - DLo, Dim
SG - Crabbe, Whitehead
SF - Levert, picks
PF - Gallo, RHJ
C - Mozgov, Allen (dont think he'll be ready to start but at this point he should be giving 20 solid mins)

Not a bad lineup, but i think the offense will be missing Lin badly, as he's a waaay better penetration and passing threat than DLo, also a better shooter if trends continue.

Edit: Also as a Laker fan, Randle is trash as a starting PF and getting paid like starter. He's basically the anti thesis of what you want in a modern NBA PF. Cant stretch the floor (refuses to take wide open FT range shots), ISOcentric blackhole (he'll pass mainly as a last result), TO prone, cant defend worth a lick (or bothers to try), and undersized if all he's gonna do is try to bully people in the paint (if he were 3-4 inches taller with his game, he can dominate inside but alas he isnt). I can see him being a great bench player but as a starter he's utterly lacking.

[kamaze]

Build it from the bottom up go through the draft.

[CalamityX12]

I'd say stretch.. we have no shooting among our bigs other than the expiring Acy.

Stretch...

sounds more like Draft for actual reliance. An european reliable stretch PF doesn't come after so chances there are slim....

The good stretches are getting locked up now.

But if we want someone simply to drill the shot, then we can find those.

Or really just an offensive game.
Randle intrigues me. Great passer, can handle the ball, score and rebounds well. Not sure his chemistry with Russell, but might be worth a shot either in trade or if he becomes unrestricted.

I like size with my PF, Randle for me, idk... but thats my old school ways....

Gallo(mentioned by Vae) was someone I did want for us... fills two positions. Thought he fits the system here very well.

Hard to think of a PF to obtain thats realistic.

I'd still give Mirotic some looks, he definitely checked out both mind and in his confidence towards the end but I'll give him a look. His offensive game works.

[kamaze]

Gallinari from the Clips

Think he's slowed down enough where playing starter mins at SF isnt viable. Whereas fulltime PF he'd fit in like a glove on offense.

Assuming RHJ didnt take a major step in development, can just have him backup Gallo for a coupla years before making a decision on extending him or Gallo.

Some options. Crabbe or Carroll straight up for Gallo. Wanna purge some salary and try to save it for another position if possible.

PG - Lin, Dim
SG - DLo, Whitehead
SF - Levert, Crabbe or Carroll?, ???, Harris?
PF- Gallinari, RHJ
C - Mozgov, Allen

Balances out the lineup nicely, adding a huge dose of skill and some size at the PF position. Shooting 1-4 acheived with a better player in Gallo vs Carroll imo. Levert graduates to starter. I'd personally resign Lin to give the offense a more dynamic threat, but if the team thinks money is better spend elsewhere then a starting lvl SF needs to be found as Levert shifts to SG or DLo/Crabbe/Levert is the way to go.

PG - DLo, Dim
SG - Crabbe, Whitehead
SF - Levert, picks
PF - Gallo, RHJ
C - Mozgov, Allen (dont think he'll be ready to start but at this point he should be giving 20 solid mins)

Not a bad lineup, but i think the offense will be missing Lin badly, as he's a waaay better penetration and passing threat than DLo, also a better shooter if trends continue.

Edit: Also as a Laker fan, Randle is trash as a starting PF and getting paid like starter. He's basically the anti thesis of what you want in a modern NBA PF. Cant stretch the floor (refuses to take wide open FT range shots), ISOcentric blackhole (he'll pass mainly as a last result), TO prone, cant defend worth a lick (or bothers to try), and undersized if all he's gonna do is try to bully people in the paint (if he were 3-4 inches taller with his game, he can dominate inside but alas he isnt). I can see him being a great bench player but as a starter he's utterly lacking.

How does the team improve if they keep trading one spot to fix another? The team got another guard in the DLO trade but now the center position is weak.

They'd be better off strengthening as many positions as possible than just to focus on one position imo.

[Trader_Joe]

Gallo is way too old, injury prone, expensive and isn't leaving LA anytime soon seeing they just signed him.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I'm a big fan of Julius Randle on this roster. He would be a fantastic in our offensive system and is probably more likely to become a 3 pt shooter than Rondae. He could also be acquired for a reasonable deal and I don't see him getting any huge offers in the Off Season

Maybe something like:
Deng, Randle, Lakers 2022 Swap Rights, Denver 2018 2nd
For
Demarre Carroll

Jabari Parker would also be a great fit IMO and I'd definitely give up decent value for him.

Something like:
Parker, Henson
For
Lin, RHJ, Kilpatrick, Toronto 2018 1st