GCP tracking of NETS players

[Yit]

Hi all,

Not sure what happened at the normal GT that it got locked - so I will put in the GCP here if the GT ever gets locked up again (I will also add in an overall summary at the end of each month - so will probably also post another info of our players GCP (and if I have the time add in the GCP of other notable NBA players for comparison)

So for GCP for the game against Denver, our players performance by GCP is:

Dinwiddie - 43 (+++)
RHJ - 29 (=)
Harris - 27 (+)
Booker - 21 (+)
Kilpatrick - 19 (=)
Mozgov - 15 (-)
DAR - 12 (-)
CLV - 12 (-)
Zeller - 9 (-)
Crabbe - 7 (--)
Allen - 5 (-)
Wiley - 3 (-)
Whitehead - 2 (-)

Still not enough players putting up enough effort but Dinwiddie was stellar and deserves consideration for a spot.

[Yit]

Hi all,

Here is the GCP average for most of our players for the Month of October 2017 (those players not shown is because I don't have enough data or games played minimum 3):

By Order of GCP
DAR - 35.14+/-16.07
RHJ - 25.88+/-13.23
DMC - 25.71+/-10.37
Dinwiddie - 23.75+/-15.14
Booker - 22.75+/-11.15
CLV - 17+/-9.04
Crabbe - 15.63+/-14.3
Harris - 15.14+/-7.2
Acy - 11.33+/-6.71
Mozgov - 11+/-8.77
KIlpatrick - 10.67+/-8.5
Zeller - 8.67+/-0.58
Allen - 8.67+/-7.89

As a comparison - here's how Russell is faring comparing to other team's NBA top players (Players averaging 30 GCP and above for month of October) - he is ranked around 36th out of 50

G.Antetokounmpo MIL 71.69
DM.Cousins NOP 60.88
A.Davis NOP 57.91
K.Porzingis NYK 51.96
S.Curry GSW 49.74
LB. James CLE 49.27
KA.Towns MIN 49.18
K.Durant GSW 46.29
LM.Aldridge SAS 45.81
N.Vucevic ORL 45.71
R.Westbrook OKC 45.11
K.Walker CHA 44.22
J.Harden HOU 44.16
A.Gordon ORL 44.04
J.Embiid PHI 43.95
B.Griffin LAC 43.61
D,Lillard POR 42.47
DDeRozan TOR 41.47
O.Porter WAS 41.34
N. Jokic DEN 40.95
V.Oladipo IND 40.44
B.Simmons PHI 40.27
E.Fournier ORL 40.19
M.Gasol MEM 39.8
CJMcCollum POR 39.72
K.Irving BOS 39.43
C.Anthony OKC 37.96
J.Wall WAS 37.75
D.Schroder ATL 37.25
D.Booker PHX 36.75
E.Gordon HOU 36.63
C.Capela HOU 36.57
D.Sabonis IND 35.98
A.Horford BOS 35.86
D.Howard CHA 35.32
DA.Russell BKN 35.14
R.Gobert UTA 34.88
S.Adams OKC 34.64
A.Drummond DET 34.56
B.Beal WAS 34.4
K,Thompson GSW 33.97
T.Harris DET 33.88
K.Love CLE 33.83
G.Dragic MIA 32.82
P.George OKC 32.23
R.Jackson DET 30.86
J.Lamb CHA 30.72
DA.Jordan LAC 30.45
L.Nogueira TOR 30.33
A.Wiggins MIN 30.17

If anyone can guide me on creating a table on this would be much appreciated. Thanks!

[LOUiS-D]

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Name                     |   RPG
Jarrett Allen            |   10.1
Allen Crabbe             |   2.3
Jeremy Lin               |   6.1


You can use the code tags to create tables because it doesn't concatenate whitespace. The alignment seems to get a bit off with tabspaces. What I'd do is lay it out how you want in a raw text editor or export from excel/google sheets pasted here preview and then use additional spaces after words to fix the alignment.

The above example is doing that. Here's what it looks like with just tabspaces. And then periods in place of where I put spaces in the first example.

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Name               |   RPG
Jarrett Allen            |   10.1
Allen Crabbe            |   2.3
Jeremy Lin            |   6.1


Name......               |   RPG
Jarrett Allen            |   10.1
Allen Crabbe.            |   2.3
Jeremy Lin...            |   6.1


Annoying I know. Ah well.

[Yit]

Thanks LOUis-D, you mean something like this?

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No.   Name               Team      GCP
01.   G.Antetokounmpo     MIL      71.69
02.   DM.Cousins          NOP      60.88
03.   A.Davis             NOP      57.91
04.   K.Porzingis         NYK      51.96
05.   S.Curry             GSW      49.74
06.   LB.James            CLE      49.27
07.   KA.Towns            MIN      49.18
08.   K.Durant            GSW      46.29
09.   LM.Aldridge         SAS      45.81
10.   N.Vucevic           ORL      45.71
11.   R.Westbrook         OKC      45.11
12.   K.Walker            CHA      44.22
13.   J.Harden            HOU      44.16
14.   A.Gordon            ORL      44.04
15.   J.Embiid            PHI      43.95
16.   B.Griffin           LAC      43.61
17.   D,Lillard           POR      42.47
18.   DDeRozan            TOR      41.47
19.   O.Porter            WAS      41.34
20.   N. Jokic            DEN      40.95
21.   V.Oladipo           IND      40.44
22.   B.Simmons           PHI      40.27
23.   E.Fournier          ORL      40.19
24.   M.Gasol             MEM      39.8
25.   CJMcCollum          POR      39.72
26.   K.Irving            BOS      39.43
27.   C.Anthony           OKC      37.96
28.   J.Wall              WAS      37.75
29.   D.Schroder          ATL      37.25
30.   D.Booker            PHX      36.75
31.   E.Gordon            HOU      36.63
32.   C.Capela            HOU      36.57
33.   D.Sabonis           IND      35.98
34.   A.Horford           BOS      35.86
35.   D.Howard            CHA      35.32
36.   DA.Russell          BKN      35.14
37.   R.Gobert            UTA      34.88
38.   S.Adams             OKC      34.64
39.   A.Drummond          DET      34.56
40.   B.Beal              WAS      34.4
41.   K.Thompson          GSW      33.97
42.   T.Harris            DET      33.88
43.   K.Love              CLE      33.83
44.   G.Dragic            MIA      32.82
45.   P.George            OKC      32.23
46.   R.Jackson           DET      30.86
47.   J.Lamb              CHA      30.72
48.   DA.Jordan           LAC      30.45
49.   L.Nogueira          TOR      30.33
50.   A.Wiggins           MIN      30.17


Yeah quite a hassle but at least it works but would take some time sigh....

[Yit]

GCP of NETS players up to 10 Nov 2017 (and top NBA players by GCP for those averaging above 30 points up to 10 Nov - still need time to compute to latest)

DAR - 34.82 +/- 15.45
DMC - 24.91 +/- 9.5
RHJ - 25.27 +/- 12.43
Mozgov - 11.17 +/- 8.24
Dinwiddie - 19.75 +/- 13.6
Acy - 11.56 +/- 6.65
Harris - 16.27 +/- 8.16
Booker - 22.75 +/- 11.15
Allen - 8.67 +/- 7.89
Kilpatrtick - 8 +/- 8.1
Zeller - 19 +/- 16.53
Crabbe - 18.92 +/- 14.87
CLV - 15.83 +/- 8.14
Wiley 5.25 +/- 7.23

NBA Players ranked by GCP (10 Nov 2017)
1. G.Antetokounmpo - 66.03
2. A.Davis - 58,75
3. LB.James - 57.51
4. DM.Cousins - 56.71
5. J.Harden - 54.28
5. K.Porzingis - 54.28
7. K.Durant - 47.23
8. S.Curry - 46.29
9. D.Lillard - 44.55
10. LM.Aldridge - 43.61
11. J.Embiid - 43.51
12. N.Jokic - 43.44
13. KA.Towns - 43.13
14. B.Beal - 42.75
15. A.Gordon - 41.35
16. R.Westbrook - 40.54
17. B.Griffin - 40.51
18. B.Simmons - 40.22
19. A.Drummond - 39.65
20. D.DeRozan - 39.19
21. N.Vucevic - 38.94
22. J.Wall - 38.83
23. K.Walker - 38.05
24. O.Porter 37.29
25. CJ.McCollum - 37.15
26. K.Irving - 37.09
27. V.Oladipo - 37
28. M.Gasol - 36.91
29. P.George - 36.86
30. H.Whiteside - 36.84
31. D.Schroder - 36.71
32. E.Fournier - 35.53
33. A.Horford - 35.45
34. DA.Russell - 34.82
35. C.Capela - 34.62
36. K.Thompson - 34.44
37. C.Anthony - 34.13
38. D.Booker - 33.85
39. D.Howard - 33.63
40. G.Dragic - 33.58
41. E.Gordon - 33.47
42. R.Gobert - 32.63
43. D.Sabonis - 32.62
44. T.Harris - 32.49
45. T.Evans - 32.33
46. K.Love - 31.8
47. K.Middleton - 31.63
48. A.Wiggins - 30.87
49. TJ.Warren - 30.75
50. R.Covington - 30.43
51. J.Lamb - 30.3
52. R.Jackson - 30.06

[Yit]

GCP of NETS players up to 20 Nov 2017 (and top NBA players by GCP also up to 20 Nov 2017)

DAR 36 +/- 15.29
RHJ 25.2 +/- 11.47
DMC 24.47 +/- 8.61
Dinwiddie 23.53 +/- 15.53
Booker 21.25 +/- 11.25
Crabbe 20.63 +/- 14.32
CLV 17.31 +/- 8.59
Zeller 16.5 +/- 15.06
Harris 15.6 +/- 9.71
Acy 11.46 +/- 5.94
Mozgov 10.07 +/- 8.1
Allen 8.75 +/- 7.19
Whitehead 6.8 +/- 6.5
Kilpatrick 5.78 +/- 7.33
Wiley 4.2 +/- 6.69

NBA players ranked by Average GCP
1. G.Antetokounmpo 61.49
2. J.Harden 56.62
3. LB.James 56.13
4. A.Davis 53.68
5. DM.Cousins 51.78
6. K.Porzingis 48.82
7. J.Embiid 46.83
8. S.Curry 46.6
9. K.Durant 46.5
10. LM.Aldridge 43.41
11. K.Irving 43.2
12. D.Lillard 42.78
13. KA.Towns 41.93
14. B.Simmons 41.91
15. D.DeRozan 41.87
16. B.Beal 41.27
17. R.Westbrook 41.03
18. K.Walker 40.43
19. H.Whiteside 39.75
20. N.Jokic 39.35
21. B.Griffin 38.78
22. V.Oladipo 38.35
23. P.George 37.56
24. J.Wall 37.15
25. D.Booker 36.94
26. CJ.McCollum 36.86
27. M.Gasol 36.7
28. A.Drummond 36.43
29. DA.Russell 36
30. N.Vucevic 35.67
31. A.Horford 35.64
32. C.Capela 35.25
33. A.Gordon 34.73
34. K.Middleton 32.69
35. K.Love 34.56
36. C.Anthony 34.47
37. D.Howard 34.31
38. TJ.Warren 34.2
39. K.Thompson 33.13
40. T.Evans 33
41. O.Porter 32.99
42. R.Gobert 32.63
43. D.Schroder 32.29
44. E.Fournier 32.24
45. J.Brown 31.53
46. E.Kanter 31.48
47. H.Barnes 31.31
48. R.Covington 31.1
49. G.Dragic 30.62
50. E.Gordon 30.5
51. S.Adams 30.38
52. T.Harris 30.26
53. D.Sabonis 30.12

[Ror1997]

Nobody knows what the **** this is

[Yit]

Nobody knows what the **** this is

Okay will try to explain - GCP (Game Contribution Points) - is just another method of assessing the performance of players. In a gist - it's just a combination score of the basic stats (playing time, points scored, steals, blocks etc, etc.)

So far I have found it useful to track if players have improve over the season, broadly the star players should be averaging above a GCP score of 30 per game. The top list can be an indication of whether the players deserve to get into the All-Star games.

[Ror1997]

Nobody knows what the **** this is

Okay will try to explain - GCP (Game Contribution Points) - is just another method of assessing the performance of players. In a gist - it's just a combination score of the basic stats (playing time, points scored, steals, blocks etc, etc.)

So far I have found it useful to track if players have improve over the season, broadly the star players should be averaging above a GCP score of 30 per game. The top list can be an indication of whether the players deserve to get into the All-Star games.

If you're going to make up a stat then you have to also post the formula. People have to understand where these numbers are coming from. If not then its just a number you're pulling out of thin air.

[Yit]

GCP of NETS players up to 20 Nov 2017 (and top NBA players by GCP also up to 30 Nov 2017)

DAR 36 +/- 15.29
DMC 25.53 +/- 10.17
RHJ 25.11 +/- 11.81
Dinwiddie 24.05 +/- 13.94
Booker - 22.88 +/- 11.69 (Transferred to PHI in Dec)
Crabbe - 20.28 +/- 13.55
CLV - 18.43 +/- 8.06
Harris - 17.5 +/- 10.13
Zeller - 17 +/- 11.79
Whitehead - 11.71 +/- 13.56
Acy - 11.06 +/- 5.56
Mozgov - 10.69 +/- 8.14
Allen - 9.62 +/- 7.09
Kilpatrick 6.86 +/- 6.37 (waived in Dec)
Wiley 4.2 +/- 6.69

NBA players ranked by Average GCP
1. G.Antetokounmpo 60.44
2. LB.James 57.6
3. J.Harden 57.43
4. A.Davis 54.12
5. DM.Cousins 48.51
6. J.Embiid 47.45
7. S.Curry 46.7
8. LM.Aldridge 45.99
9. K.Durant 45.36
10. R.Westbrook 45.19
11. K.Porzingis 45.14
12. K.Irving 43.77
13. D.Lillard 43.72
14. B.Simmons 41.2
15. KA.Towns 40.83
16. B.Griffin 40.62
17. D.DeRozan 39.23
18. K.Walker 39.17
19. V.Oladipo 38.9
20. B.Beal 38.63
21. A.Drummond 38.18
22. J.Wall 38.16
23. N.Jokic 38.12
24. H.Whiteside 36.76
25. D.Booker 36.43
26. K.Love 36.03
27. DA.Russell 36
28. A.Gordon 35.91
29. P.George 35.9
30. D.Howard 35.85
31. C.Capela 35.18
32. A.Horford 34.69
33. N.Vucevic 34.35
34. K.Middleton 34.23
35. M.Gasol 34.17
36. CJ.McCollum 34.07
37. C.Anthony 33.35
38. K.Thompson 33.33
39. R.Gobert 32.63
40. E.Kanter 32.52
41. TJ.Warren 32.49
42. C.Paul 32.4
43. T.Evans 32.36
44. K.Lowry 32.32
45. D.Schroder 32.25
46. O.Porter 31.93
47. J.Butler 31.85
47. T.Harris 31.85
49. H.Barnes 30.83
50. A.Wiggins 30.55
51. G.Dragic 30.08

[Yit]

Nobody knows what the **** this is

Okay will try to explain - GCP (Game Contribution Points) - is just another method of assessing the performance of players. In a gist - it's just a combination score of the basic stats (playing time, points scored, steals, blocks etc, etc.)

So far I have found it useful to track if players have improve over the season, broadly the star players should be averaging above a GCP score of 30 per game. The top list can be an indication of whether the players deserve to get into the All-Star games.

If you're going to make up a stat then you have to also post the formula. People have to understand where these numbers are coming from. If not then its just a number you're pulling out of thin air.

It's been posted previously - just got lost in some of the threads but if you are interested it goes something like this:

GCP = Score Index + Bonus - Penalties + (+/- factor/5)

Score Index = Point Scored with Shooting Efficiency Modifications with Time moderation modifications
Shooting Efficiency moderation is achieved by Points scored + (Player Shooting%-Team Shooting%)*PointsScored (which gives a Base Score)
Time moderation is achieved by BaseScore + ((BaseScore/PlayingTime) - (TeamScore/TotalTeamPlayingTime))*BaseScore

[Roy Tarpley]

Okay will try to explain - GCP (Game Contribution Points) - is just another method of assessing the performance of players. In a gist - it's just a combination score of the basic stats (playing time, points scored, steals, blocks etc, etc.)

So far I have found it useful to track if players have improve over the season, broadly the star players should be averaging above a GCP score of 30 per game. The top list can be an indication of whether the players deserve to get into the All-Star games.

If you're going to make up a stat then you have to also post the formula. People have to understand where these numbers are coming from. If not then its just a number you're pulling out of thin air.

It's been posted previously - just got lost in some of the threads but if you are interested it goes something like this:

GCP = Score Index + Bonus - Penalties + (+/- factor/5)

Score Index = Point Scored with Shooting Efficiency Modifications with Time moderation modifications
Shooting Efficiency moderation is achieved by Points scored + (Player Shooting%-Team Shooting%)*PointsScored (which gives a Base Score)
Time moderation is achieved by BaseScore + ((BaseScore/PlayingTime) - (TeamScore/TotalTeamPlayingTime))*BaseScore

This is all still way too complicated for a knuckledragging, mouthbreather like me but I'll just assume it makes sense. I just blindly accept Hollinger's PER value so why not accept Yit's GCP score.

This being said, I think a true measure of a player's value should also somehow incorporate defensive value. Also, I don't understand the +/- number after the GCP number. It's easier to accept PER or BPM or Ortg because it's just one number. I like round numbers. I don't understand the +/- deviation numbers.

[Yit]

This is all still way too complicated for a knuckledragging, mouthbreather like me but I'll just assume it makes sense. I just blindly accept Hollinger's PER value so why not accept Yit's GCP score.

This being said, I think a true measure of a player's value should also somehow incorporate defensive value. Also, I don't understand the +/- number after the GCP number. It's easier to accept PER or BPM or Ortg because it's just one number. I like round numbers. I don't understand the +/- deviation numbers.

Yes, it's rather complicated - I have another tracking called the Defensive Effort but still considering if that is useful.

But quickly the +/- is using the +/- score for each player (divided by 5) - assumption is that a player is 1/5 contributor for the net positive or net negative when the team was playing - i.e. reference to the +/- column in the team stats table.

The GCP does include Defensive Rebounds as well as steals in the score (and Block shots) - so some aspects of defense is included.

[Yit]

Hi all, somehow by the time I got to our forums the GT versus Raptors got locked by the naturally heated discussions... sigh

Anyways here's the tracking of performance of Nets players against Raptors for 8 Jan 2018

Dinwiddie - 56 (+++)
Allen - 41 (+++)
Crabbe - 40 (++)
RHJ - 39 (+)
Harris - 15 (-)
Acy - 15 (=)
CLV - 5 (-)
Doyle - 4 (-)
Zeller - 2 (--)
Okafor - 1 (-)

It sucks to lose so narrowly - but our team is growing strong which bodes well for the future. CLV just came back so he may need a few more games to get back to his previous form. Okafor is new so his performance will swing up and down.

[Yit]

Hi all, somehow by the time I got to our forums the GT versus Raptors got locked by the naturally heated discussions... sigh

Anyways here's the tracking of performance of Nets players against Raptors for 8 Jan 2018

Dinwiddie - 56 (+++)
Allen - 41 (+++)
Crabbe - 40 (++)
RHJ - 39 (+)
Harris - 15 (-)
Acy - 15 (=)
CLV - 5 (-)
Doyle - 4 (-)
Zeller - 2 (--)
Okafor - 1 (-)

It sucks to lose so narrowly - but our team is growing strong which bodes well for the future. CLV just came back so he may need a few more games to get back to his previous form. Okafor is new so his performance will swing up and down.

[Yit]

Sigh, another locked thread, so am posting the tracking of performance vs Pistons here:

Tracking players performance versus Pistons 10 Jan 2018
Crabbe - 44 (++)
RHJ - 28 (=)
CLV - 17 (=)
Zeller - 15 (-)
Harris - 9 (--)
Allen - 7(-)
Mozgov - 6 (-)
Dinwiddie - 4 (--)
Stauskas - 1 (-)
Okafor - 0 (-)
Acy - (-4) (--)

Too many players in the negatives - also we are on pace for a 30 win season at the halfway mark - which is a marked improvement from last season 20 wins.

[Yit]

GCP of NETS players up to 15 Dec 2017 (and top NBA players by GCP also up to 15 Dec 2017)

DAR 36 +/- 15.29
RHJ 27.18 +/- 13.02
Dinwiddie 25.04 +/- 14.26
DMC 24.16 +/- 10.13
Crabbe - 19.67 +/- 12.13
CLV - 19.21 +/- 11.08
Zeller - 18.55 +/- 10.57
Harris - 15.65 +/- 9.96
Whitehead - 13.1 +/- 12.43
Allen - 11.26 +/- 9.07
Mozgov - 9.24 +/- 7.7
Acy - 9.13 +/- 6.13
Wiley 3.5 +/- 6.22

NBA players ranked by Average GCP
1. G.Antetokounmpo 61.52
2. LB.James 58.29
3. J.Harden 56.88
4. A.Davis 52.34
5. J.Embiid 48.94
6. DM.Cousins 48.84
7. K.Durant 48.18
8. S.Curry 47.33
9. R.Westbrook 45.71
10. K.Irving 44.35
11. D.Lillard 44.04
12. K.Porzingis 43.89
13. LM.Aldridge 43.08
14. V.Oladipo 42.26
15. KA.Towns 42.1
16. D.DeRozan 41.95
17. C.Paul 40.94
18. B.Griffin 40.62
19. D.Booker 39.24
20. B.Beal 39.21
21. B.Simmons 38.88
22. N.Vucevic 38.45
23. K.Walker 38.43
24. A.Drummond 37.88
25. N.Jokic 37.69
26. K.Love 37.32
27. H.Whiteside 36.76
28. J.Butler 36.7
29. N.Mirotic 36.69
30. J.Wall 36.46
31. D.Howard 36.19
32. K.Middleton 36.02
33. DA.Russell 36
34. C.Capela 35.43
35. A.Horford 35.39
36. A.Gordon 34.53
37. P.George 34.52
38. K.Thompson 34.51
39. CJ.McCollum 33.72
40. M.Gasol 33.13
41. L.Williams 32.52
42. T.Evans 32.43
43. S.Adams 32.36
44. J.Holiday 32.28
45. DA.Jordan 32.16
46. K.Lowry 32.08
47. D.Schroder 31.89
47. TJ.Warren 31.56
49. C.Anthony 30.59
50. H.Barnes 30.33
51. E.Bledsoe 30.26
52. T.Harris 30.18

Okay we have hit like quite a substantive number of games - so I have computed the Cost/GCP for the star level NBA players and found that the averaged Cost per GCP works out to be around $472,115/GCP point. So what's this useful for? We can use this as a gauge if our players are worth their salaries - which I will try to post another day.

[LKIRNets]

you do know that this system doesn't account for defense much, right?

[Yit]

you do know that this system doesn't account for defense much, right?

The GCP has included some defensive stats - it is more an overall picture - I have a different tracking for just the defense itself (which I call defensive effort - but still working out the kinks on that.

[LKIRNets]

you do know that this system doesn't account for defense much, right?

The GCP has included some defensive stats - it is more an overall picture - I have a different tracking for just the defense itself (which I call defensive effort - but still working out the kinks on that.

define the factors it would have?