MrDollarBills wrote: MGrand15 wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:So in a lot of threads I keep reading how D'Angelo is the Nets most talented player, has the most potential, has near franchise level potential, has the most skills, can leap tall buildings in a single bound, etc.
And I have to ask... after 3 seasons in this league of nearly the exact same stuff, why is that perception accurate?
I still feel the need to start with the disclaimers of, I get why the trade was done, I would do it again myself and I do not flatout dislike D-Lo... but I just don't see it. LeVert, Allen and RHJ have massively more potential in my eyes, 2 of the 3 are just as if not more talented, pretty much no one on this roster has true near franchise level potential and only 2 of these guys can leap medium buildings off one foot or a jump stop.
I really want him to turn the corner, I really want to like him as a player, but I really need someone to convince me here. I even see the flashes of fantastic passes and court vision, the times his shot is falling where you say if he even became a consistent 38 from 3 and 44 from the field he'd light it up and he has the ball on a string. But his burst and first step are meh as hell, he's not even excessively quick in the open court, his bbiq overall is low, his decision making poor, his foot speed and defense is abysmal, his attitude is all **** up and real $hitty and he can barely dunk.
Someone make me see the light.
I wouldn't go as far as you're going but I mostly agree.
His potential coming into the draft came from: great size for a PG, elite ball handling, elite shooting (off the dribble especially) and elite vision.
His size at PG helps but with questions about whether hes better on or off the ball, it becomes less of a strength. His shooting has been average at best, very inconsistent. His ball handling is nice but won't really be effective until his shooting scares the defense. His vision is as good as advertised but it's nullified by his poor decision making.
All of this skill stuff is crucial since he's been a BAD athlete this year. Slow, not explosive, not strong.
I guess people still see the potential because he has the draft pedigree and he plays with that alpha dog, #1 option swagger. I do think there's something to that. But as the sample size of games increases, it's hard for me to look at him with a STAR ceiling.
I don't think he separated himself from LeVert or Dinwiddie this year but I could see if someone is wowed by his shot creator potential, his vision, and his shooting touch.
I agree with this. he needs to get stronger physically to make up for his athletic shortcomings and he needs to become more consistent.
My question is, for vc4p, how is his attitude **** ed?
He could have gone off the rails when he got benched that last time but he didn't. In fact each time he got benched he kept engaged in the game and was rooting for his teammates. post game, he didn't say anything out of pocket.
The on court criticisms are valid. this stuff about his attitude being messed up or him having a poor work ethic is pretty much conjecture imo. Unless you can point out specific instances?
My attitude comment was an ode to Prodigy, but what I mean is what everyone here has discussed... stuff where his attitude towards the game leads to carelessness, turnovers, poor decisions, etc. I'm not saying he's a cancer, or a guy starting **** over his minutes and the such, but he has a sense of entitlement that other players on this roster do not and that big dog swagger and air about him, but with none of the big dog stats, athleticism, game, or strength.
And I agree with Kamaze on this one, read between the lines. He does not hit the weight room like he should, has to skip leg days, hasn't worked on his explosion, etc. He's all glamour muscles, no core, no lower body, no fast twitch. Some of that stuff is quite genetic, but it's obvious he doesn't work on this stuff like he should if he cared more. Carroll, RHJ, Dinwiddie, Coach K, others, they've all made obvious read between the lines stuff about his conditioning, approach, attitude and mentality.
Dude is not focused and not quick witted and his on court goofiness is an obvious microcosm of that.