Young Impact FA's: Poll

[ecuhus1981]

OK, let's suspend disbelief for a minute. Pretend that UFA's and RFA's alike are lining up at our doorstep, and we can only choose one of the following options.

I have developed my own list of the top 10 free agents under 25, based on ESPN's Real+/- and 82Games' Simple rating. I feel that if you are a top 5 FA at your position in both rankings, you're a legit difference-maker. Here they are, along with the salaries (in millions) that I feel they will garner in free agency:

Fred Van Vleet - 7
Yogi Ferrell - 6
Marcus Smart - 10
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - 9
Kyle Anderson - 11
Aaron Gordon - 17+
Montrezl Harrell - 8
Julius Randle - 17+
Clint Capela - 17+
Jusuf Nurkic - 17+

One more thing I'll note: the Nets' worst performing positions were PG, PF and C. I believe that with good health, the efficiency of our PG position will improve. But deep stats (and any working set of eyes) tell us that we need to improve the frontcourt.

[shakendfries]

N/A should also be an option - Nets need to focus on re-signing Joe Harris, trying to trade Dinwiddie for a pick, and taking on a bad contract for another asset

[kamaze]

Double checked is this the Nets board? not the general forum.

I wouldn't mind them getting Rodney Hood for the MLE he'd be great off the bench or as a starter in Brooklyn. He had a good game off the bench being aggressive and creating his own shot.

[ecuhus1981]

N/A should also be an option - Nets need to focus on re-signing Joe Harris, trying to trade Dinwiddie for a pick, and taking on a bad contract for another asset

OK, but we can go over the cap to retain Harris. I want to keep him too, but before we do that, we have the chance to strengthen our core with a young, proven star.

The other moves you mentioned don't preclude us from using capspace. Voting N/A is just as good as taking a significant starter upgrade off of the table.

[ecuhus1981]

Double checked is this the Nets board? not the general forum.

I wouldn't mind them getting Rodney Hood for the MLE he'd be great off the bench or as a starter in Brooklyn. He had a good game off the bench being aggressive and creating his own shot.

Cleveland made their bed with Hood, there probably isn't a price-tag under $18mil that they would decline to match, even though he isn't worth a third of that. He's a skilled scorer, but horrendous as a starter or key rotation guy due to his terrible defense and me-first mentality.

[brook]

I take only Gordon.
I like Smart a lot but I read he thinks deserved something like 20 millions per year. I don't think is value is 20 millions and also I'm afraid to see him without Celtics system.

[ecuhus1981]

I take only Gordon.
I like Smart a lot but I read he thinks deserved something like 20 millions per year. I don't think is value is 20 millions and also I'm afraid to see him without Celtics system.

Aaron and Rondae together could be sweet! And, Gordon is the youngest on this list. I feel you.

I went with Kyle and Yogi though, both potential value buys in this market. they are both young plus defender's, and I feel we need that more than anything.

[Ror1997]

I take only Gordon.
I like Smart a lot but I read he thinks deserved something like 20 millions per year. I don't think is value is 20 millions and also I'm afraid to see him without Celtics system.

Aaron and Rondae together could be sweet! And, Gordon is the youngest on this list. I feel you.

I went with Kyle and Yogi though, both potential value buys in this market. they are both young plus defender's, and I feel we need that more than anything.

Yogi was awful here and is 5'11. He's not a plus defender.

[TheNetsFan]

OK, let's suspend disbelief for a minute. Pretend that UFA's and RFA's alike are lining up at our doorstep, and we can only choose one of the following options.

I have developed my own list of the top 10 free agents under 25, based on ESPN's Real+/- and 82Games' Simple rating. I feel that if you are a top 5 FA at your position in both rankings, you're a legit difference-maker. Here they are, along with the salaries (in millions) that I feel they will garner in free agency:

Fred Van Vleet - 7
Yogi Ferrell - 6
Marcus Smart - 10
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - 9
Kyle Anderson - 11
Aaron Gordon - 17+
Montrezl Harrell - 8
Julius Randle - 17+
Clint Capela - 17+
Jusuf Nurkic - 17+

One more thing I'll note: the Nets' worst performing positions were PG, PF and C. I believe that with good health, the efficiency of our PG position will improve. But deep stats (and any working set of eyes) tell us that we need to improve the frontcourt.

I think Van Vleet, Smart & Caldwell-Pope may get more. Gordon & Capela will get a lot more (near max).

I'm much more intrigued by some guys not on your list: Grant, Hezonja & Hood, although Hood is already 25, so I'm not sure if that excluded him.

[MrDollarBills]

Gordon, Smart, and Van Fleet move the needle for me. An Allen/Gordon/RHJ frontcourt would be fun to watch and RHJ can defend multiple positions, and with Gordon being able to hit threes RHJ can continue to play his usual role on offense.

[Prokorov]

OK, let's suspend disbelief for a minute. Pretend that UFA's and RFA's alike are lining up at our doorstep, and we can only choose one of the following options.

I have developed my own list of the top 10 free agents under 25, based on ESPN's Real+/- and 82Games' Simple rating. I feel that if you are a top 5 FA at your position in both rankings, you're a legit difference-maker. Here they are, along with the salaries (in millions) that I feel they will garner in free agency:

Fred Van Vleet - 7
Yogi Ferrell - 6
Marcus Smart - 10
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - 9
Kyle Anderson - 11
Aaron Gordon - 17+
Montrezl Harrell - 8
Julius Randle - 17+
Clint Capela - 17+
Jusuf Nurkic - 17+

One more thing I'll note: the Nets' worst performing positions were PG, PF and C. I believe that with good health, the efficiency of our PG position will improve. But deep stats (and any working set of eyes) tell us that we need to improve the frontcourt.

Fred Van Vleet - the last thing we need is another backup/role point gaurd. hard pass
Yogi Ferrell - complete trash. hard pass.
Marcus Smart - would love to have smart. but he is said to want more then 14-16 million. would pass at that cost. at MLE levels yes.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - didnt love him in FA last year, dont want him now unless its dirt cheap. dont see a big role for him.
Kyle Anderson - we dont need more role guys on 11+ million deals. good fit on paper but meh.
Aaron Gordon - dont love gordon. wouldnt love him on the max. but id be 100% onboard with him. he can be more then a role guy
Montrezl Harrell - LOVE HARRELL. would take him on anything MLE or lower
Julius Randle - hard pass. horrible fit, wouldnt give him a big deal, the #1 guy i DONT want this offseason
Clint Capela - would love him if we didnt already have allen on a rookie scale deal
Jusuf Nurkic - see above.

So basically:

give me smart if we can get him at under 10 million, give me gordon if we can get him, give me harrell on less then the MLE

the rest can kick rocks

[FlipFlopShot]

OK, let's suspend disbelief for a minute. Pretend that UFA's and RFA's alike are lining up at our doorstep, and we can only choose one of the following options.

I have developed my own list of the top 10 free agents under 25, based on ESPN's Real+/- and 82Games' Simple rating. I feel that if you are a top 5 FA at your position in both rankings, you're a legit difference-maker. Here they are, along with the salaries (in millions) that I feel they will garner in free agency:

Fred Van Vleet - 7
Yogi Ferrell - 6
Marcus Smart - 10
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - 9
Kyle Anderson - 11
Aaron Gordon - 17+
Montrezl Harrell - 8
Julius Randle - 17+
Clint Capela - 17+
Jusuf Nurkic - 17+

One more thing I'll note: the Nets' worst performing positions were PG, PF and C. I believe that with good health, the efficiency of our PG position will improve. But deep stats (and any working set of eyes) tell us that we need to improve the frontcourt.

Fred Van Vleet - the last thing we need is another backup/role point gaurd. hard pass
Yogi Ferrell - complete trash. hard pass.
Marcus Smart - would love to have smart. but he is said to want more then 14-16 million. would pass at that cost. at MLE levels yes.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - didnt love him in FA last year, dont want him now unless its dirt cheap. dont see a big role for him.
Kyle Anderson - we dont need more role guys on 11+ million deals. good fit on paper but meh.
Aaron Gordon - dont love gordon. wouldnt love him on the max. but id be 100% onboard with him. he can be more then a role guy
Montrezl Harrell - LOVE HARRELL. would take him on anything MLE or lower
Julius Randle - hard pass. horrible fit, wouldnt give him a big deal, the #1 guy i DONT want this offseason
Clint Capela - would love him if we didnt already have allen on a rookie scale deal
Jusuf Nurkic - see above.

So basically:

give me smart if we can get him at under 10 million, give me gordon if we can get him, give me harrell on less then the MLE

the rest can kick rocks

Completely agree. None of these guys should be getting max deals. Only Aaron provides some resemblance of a tangible offensive game that makes it slightly more tolerable.

[kamaze]

Double checked is this the Nets board? not the general forum.

I wouldn't mind them getting Rodney Hood for the MLE he'd be great off the bench or as a starter in Brooklyn. He had a good game off the bench being aggressive and creating his own shot.

Cleveland made their bed with Hood, there probably isn't a price-tag under $18mil that they would decline to match, even though he isn't worth a third of that. He's a skilled scorer, but horrendous as a starter or key rotation guy due to his terrible defense and me-first mentality.

They might it all depends on what Lebron does/wants. I think he's a good bench player he just doesn't fit in the isolation offense Cleveland runs but he'd flourish in the motion offense.

[ecuhus1981]

I appreciate the good discussion, everyone.

I know that Ferrell didn't set the world on fire when we had him before, but you can't deny that he put in a very efficient season with Dallas. Respectable shooting %'s, good AST:TO ratio, and statistically he was a tone-setter for the Mavericks in pace and defense. Maybe it's a contract-year fluke, but we could really use a speed merchant backup PG IMO. I understand we're glutted at guard, but I still view Yogi as a worthwhile value signing.

I hate to break it to you, but FVV was better and more efficient than any player on the Nets. Again, PG may not be a position of need, but if we can get him at what I think his market value will be, dollar-for-dollar we can't spend money any better. And Kenny can make it work.

We'll have to see on Smart, he may be right on his next contract. All it takes is one team to offer a crazy amount (see: Wallace, Gerald).

Lastly, Jarrett Allen could make a big jump this offseason. If he does, we'd be foolish to sign a franchise-caliber C and block his progress. But I'm not entirely certain that he's ready to be THE MAN. He could be a super-efficient backup C, and offer a different skill set than, say, Nurkic. And if we find out that JA is ready to be the next Capela, we can always trade our FA signing.

[Prokorov]

Yogi is straight up grabage. he had like 2 good months with dallas

10 points/2 assists is not exacrtly what you want froma point gaurd plauying 30 minutes. decent from three but does nothing beyond that.

i hate him here regardless of cost.

FVV is a legit player, but makes 0 sense to spend money on backup PG when we lack talent everywhere and can use that space 10000 different ways htat would all be better

[kamaze]

I appreciate the good discussion, everyone.

I know that Ferrell didn't set the world on fire when we had him before, but you can't deny that he put in a very efficient season with Dallas. Respectable shooting %'s, good AST:TO ratio, and statistically he was a tone-setter for the Mavericks in pace and defense. Maybe it's a contract-year fluke, but we could really use a speed merchant backup PG IMO. I understand we're glutted at guard, but I still view Yogi as a worthwhile value signing.

I hate to break it to you, but FVV was better and more efficient than any player on the Nets. Again, PG may not be a position of need, but if we can get him at what I think his market value will be, dollar-for-dollar we can't spend money any better. And Kenny can make it work.

We'll have to see on Smart, he may be right on his next contract. All it takes is one team to offer a crazy amount (see: Wallace, Gerald).

Lastly, Jarrett Allen could make a big jump this offseason. If he does, we'd be foolish to sign a franchise-caliber C and block his progress. But I'm not entirely certain that he's ready to be THE MAN. He could be a super-efficient backup C, and offer a different skill set than, say, Nurkic. And if we find out that JA is ready to be the next Capela, we can always trade our FA signing.

Brooklyn got bullied and out rebounded nightly they desperately need another legit center. I think Jarret would be better off in the long run playing behind and learning from someone.

[MrDollarBills]

I appreciate the good discussion, everyone.

I know that Ferrell didn't set the world on fire when we had him before, but you can't deny that he put in a very efficient season with Dallas. Respectable shooting %'s, good AST:TO ratio, and statistically he was a tone-setter for the Mavericks in pace and defense. Maybe it's a contract-year fluke, but we could really use a speed merchant backup PG IMO. I understand we're glutted at guard, but I still view Yogi as a worthwhile value signing.

I hate to break it to you, but FVV was better and more efficient than any player on the Nets. Again, PG may not be a position of need, but if we can get him at what I think his market value will be, dollar-for-dollar we can't spend money any better. And Kenny can make it work.

We'll have to see on Smart, he may be right on his next contract. All it takes is one team to offer a crazy amount (see: Wallace, Gerald).

Lastly, Jarrett Allen could make a big jump this offseason. If he does, we'd be foolish to sign a franchise-caliber C and block his progress. But I'm not entirely certain that he's ready to be THE MAN. He could be a super-efficient backup C, and offer a different skill set than, say, Nurkic. And if we find out that JA is ready to be the next Capela, we can always trade our FA signing.

Brooklyn got bullied and out rebounded nightly they desperately need another legit center. I think Jarret would be better off in the long run playing behind and learning from someone.

He averaged 10ppg 6rebs 2blks per game as a starter 66% TS 80%FT at age 19 there is literally zero reason for him to play behind anyone. he needs to get stronger, not sit bench while the Nets waste money on someone who isn't in the future plans.

[MrDollarBills]

I appreciate the good discussion, everyone.

I know that Ferrell didn't set the world on fire when we had him before, but you can't deny that he put in a very efficient season with Dallas. Respectable shooting %'s, good AST:TO ratio, and statistically he was a tone-setter for the Mavericks in pace and defense. Maybe it's a contract-year fluke, but we could really use a speed merchant backup PG IMO. I understand we're glutted at guard, but I still view Yogi as a worthwhile value signing.

I hate to break it to you, but FVV was better and more efficient than any player on the Nets. Again, PG may not be a position of need, but if we can get him at what I think his market value will be, dollar-for-dollar we can't spend money any better. And Kenny can make it work.

We'll have to see on Smart, he may be right on his next contract. All it takes is one team to offer a crazy amount (see: Wallace, Gerald).

Lastly, Jarrett Allen could make a big jump this offseason. If he does, we'd be foolish to sign a franchise-caliber C and block his progress. But I'm not entirely certain that he's ready to be THE MAN. He could be a super-efficient backup C, and offer a different skill set than, say, Nurkic. And if we find out that JA is ready to be the next Capela, we can always trade our FA signing.

I'll take Caris LeVert over Yogi any day of the week.

As referenced in my last post, Allen put up solid numbers as a starter and will project upwards in years 2 and 3 (along with adding strength to that now 20 year old frame). There is zero reason why he should be coming off of the bench.

You guys are looking to make win now moves on a team that is in the 3rd offseason of what is clearly a 6 year rebuilding process.

[JoseRizal]

I voted for Gordon. He’s such a great fit and his potential is scary...

[Vae Victus]

Of the options presented Gordon for the max (ugh) is likely the best and then pray to all the gods in the universe his game keeps growing, cuz if it doesnt, ouch. He's basically the prototype modern day PF, but he's getting paid on potential.

Everyone else is a pass unless they can be had for cheap. Smart and Harrell are the only ones up to the MLE i'd go for. Smart despite being a piss poor offensive player has defensive intangibles you cant teach, and could thrive next to DLo picking up the defensive slack. Harrell is undersized but plays big and will thrive as the 1st big off the bench.