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Great article here. Goes over the cap situation and FA focus for every team. if anything good for seeing other teams perspective in spculation for trades/moves:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23529024/biggest-nba-free-agency-trade-extension-decisions-every-team

here is the nets portion:

Agree with Lowe on most of this. Moving or buying out Lin to save whatever space we can this year and using a portion of that on another young front court player on a small or short money i think makes the most sense (Montrez Harrell?)

I still think Harris is back. Marks has consistently overpaid for shooting and for someone tight lipped he was very public very early that they want Harris back and its mutual. some thing Howard trade changes that but i dont.

-Howard Buyout
-Lin trade for 75% less in expirings/buyout at 85% gaining us a couple million in cap room
-Sign someone like Harrell to a 2/8 or 2/12 deal with 2nd year a TO
-Sign Harris to something between the room and the full MLE (I think 3/26 seems right)

Russell | Crabbe | Carroll | RHJ | Allen
Dinwiddie | Levert | Harris | Acy | Harrell

Youngsters spending most of their time in the G-league: Whitehad, Musa, Kurucs

This is more what id predict and less what id personally do... id like to see them pass on Harris even though he is one of my favorite nets... look to trade Carroll/Lin and even Russell if they can get a first that is a good bet to be pick 22 or earlier and kick the tires on anything that allows you to move crabbe at nuetral or positive value

Continue to build around the young guys with years of cost control on rookie level (Levert, Allen, Kurucs, Musa...) and RHJ until it becomes known what it cost to keep him and revaluate it then (his 7M cap hit isnt a killer going into next offseason).

Dump the high priced vets or let them expire. Move on from Russell to avoid the big cap hit and big contract coming. take the risk that he becomes an all-star elsewhere. continue to build slow and organically.

I don't know if Lin is getting a buyout unless it becomes clear that he just can't perform.

How much does Harrell garner on the open market?

Prokorov wrote:Agree with Lowe on most of this. Moving or buying out Lin to save whatever space we can this year and using a portion of that on another young front court player on a small or short money i think makes the most sense (Montrez Harrell?)

I still think Harris is back. Marks has consistently overpaid for shooting and for someone tight lipped he was very public very early that they want Harris back and its mutual. some thing Howard trade changes that but i dont.

-Howard Buyout
-Lin trade for 75% less in expirings/buyout at 85% gaining us a couple million in cap room
-Sign someone like Harrell to a 2/8 or 2/12 deal with 2nd year a TO
-Sign Harris to something between the room and the full MLE (I think 3/26 seems right)

Russell | Crabbe | Carroll | RHJ | Allen
Dinwiddie | Levert | Harris | Acy | Harrell

Youngsters spending most of their time in the G-league: Whitehad, Musa, Kurucs

This is more what id predict and less what id personally do... id like to see them pass on Harris even though he is one of my favorite nets... look to trade Carroll/Lin and even Russell if they can get a first that is a good bet to be pick 22 or earlier and kick the tires on anything that allows you to move crabbe at nuetral or positive value

Continue to build around the young guys with years of cost control on rookie level (Levert, Allen, Kurucs, Musa...) and RHJ until it becomes known what it cost to keep him and revaluate it then (his 7M cap hit isnt a killer going into next offseason).

Dump the high priced vets or let them expire. Move on from Russell to avoid the big cap hit and big contract coming. take the risk that he becomes an all-star elsewhere. continue to build slow and organically.

From a pure, chess-piece, Hinkie perspective, I agree with all of your points. No need to keep Lin, Carroll, or Harris, and Russell may not be worth keeping, on a developing Nets team that is theoretically 4 years away from really competing.

But I think Marks will keep all of these guys, at least to start the season, and IF he does, then someone needs to explain why the Marksman did so - because he MUST have a reason for what he does.

My theory of the case is that Marks does actually want to compete this year, all of these players help the Nets compete, and that Marks actually thinks the team has playoff-worthy talent. Also, people like Lin and Carroll provide the veteran leadership needed for a competitive team. I know that Marks fudged the need for wins, saying something like "we weren't looking for wins this year, but things may change, even this year." But regardless of what he says publicly, I still think that there is pressure on Marks to, at a minimum, improve upon the last season's win totals.

I think Marks will obtain all the info he needs by mid-season (e.g., How competitive are the Nets? Is Dlo worth keeping? Is Lin healthy?) and make huge course corrections then.

I remember last year that the Nets started off the first half of the season at a 33-35 win pace, and then ended up at 28 wins when RHJ/Levert down and Booker/Zeller were traded (I won't even count Dlo because I believe the Nets' record was actually better without Dlo).

So there's no reason the Nets can't at least start off with a 33-35 win pace in 2018-19, based on development alone.

- If the Nets can bump that to a 40-ish win pace, I don't see Lin/Carroll being traded.
- If the Nets stay at, or dip below, a 33-35 win pace (more injuries, guys like Dlo don't show improvement, Lin can't recover, etc.), then I see some major trades happening at the Allstar break.

The way I see it, we can go 50/32 and still get a complete roster change. A single star coming here let alone two next off-season can change everything. Not holding my breath for it, but not inconceivable.

Once again, it's weird being talked about positively by ESPN as a destination.

Whether Nets trade Carroll/Lin IMO will not turn so much on the Net's record (Although of course if they are in playoff contention that may factor a little bit because that would be great experience for squad), as much as simply the offers Marks gets.

What will be important is their performance. Which will determine the return Marks can get for them.

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Prokorov wrote:Agree with Lowe on most of this. Moving or buying out Lin to save whatever space we can this year and using a portion of that on another young front court player on a small or short money i think makes the most sense (Montrez Harrell?)

I still think Harris is back. Marks has consistently overpaid for shooting and for someone tight lipped he was very public very early that they want Harris back and its mutual. some thing Howard trade changes that but i dont.

-Howard Buyout
-Lin trade for 75% less in expirings/buyout at 85% gaining us a couple million in cap room
-Sign someone like Harrell to a 2/8 or 2/12 deal with 2nd year a TO
-Sign Harris to something between the room and the full MLE (I think 3/26 seems right)

Russell | Crabbe | Carroll | RHJ | Allen
Dinwiddie | Levert | Harris | Acy | Harrell

Youngsters spending most of their time in the G-league: Whitehad, Musa, Kurucs

This is more what id predict and less what id personally do... id like to see them pass on Harris even though he is one of my favorite nets... look to trade Carroll/Lin and even Russell if they can get a first that is a good bet to be pick 22 or earlier and kick the tires on anything that allows you to move crabbe at nuetral or positive value

Continue to build around the young guys with years of cost control on rookie level (Levert, Allen, Kurucs, Musa...) and RHJ until it becomes known what it cost to keep him and revaluate it then (his 7M cap hit isnt a killer going into next offseason).

Dump the high priced vets or let them expire. Move on from Russell to avoid the big cap hit and big contract coming. take the risk that he becomes an all-star elsewhere. continue to build slow and organically.

From a pure, chess-piece, Hinkie perspective, I agree with all of your points. No need to keep Lin, Carroll, or Harris, and Russell may not be worth keeping, on a developing Nets team that is theoretically 4 years away from really competing.

But I think Marks will keep all of these guys, at least to start the season, and IF he does, then someone needs to explain why the Marksman did so - because he MUST have a reason for what he does.

My theory of the case is that Marks does actually want to compete this year, all of these players help the Nets compete, and that Marks actually thinks the team has playoff-worthy talent. Also, people like Lin and Carroll provide the veteran leadership needed for a competitive team. I know that Marks fudged the need for wins, saying something like "we weren't looking for wins this year, but things may change, even this year." But regardless of what he says publicly, I still think that there is pressure on Marks to, at a minimum, improve upon the last season's win totals.

I think Marks will obtain all the info he needs by mid-season (e.g., How competitive are the Nets? Is Dlo worth keeping? Is Lin healthy?) and make huge course corrections then.

I don't think Markinson really cares about "record" and outcomes in and of themselves, at this point

But I agree they do care about these things, to the extent they are necessary for sustaining a culture where the players play hard every game, and gain confidence that they will win games. And to the extent they are necessary for developing the potential of their great young players.

See 76ers who spent a lot of money last summer to provide their young stars with good supporting vet players. Would Ben Simmons have been as good as he was if Sixers hadn't paid a lot of money for JJ Reddick?

Paradise wrote:Once again, it's weird being talked about positively by ESPN as a destination.

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Speak it into existence Jalen.

Rose blows a lot of smoke, but I believe he was the first one (way back in January), he was definitely the most adamant one, to state that Kawhi wanted out of San Antonio. All of a sudden, he keeps hyping up Brooklyn as a destination. You wonder if he's connected to somebody close to Kawhi, and whether he knows something about Brooklyn being on a wish list.

I don't think we have the assets to get the deal done, but our best package probably has to include DLo/LeVert, Allen, RHJ + picks. You give that up, no questions asked. Kawhi here a year early would allow him to resign for more, and recruit FAs. SA, likely tries to force Mills, Gasol or others on you, and that's where things can get complicated. If you wipe out your depth, you can't also wipe out the 2019 cap space.

TheNetsFan wrote:

Paradise wrote:Once again, it's weird being talked about positively by ESPN as a destination.

Read on Twitter

Speak it into existence Jalen.

Rose blows a lot of smoke, but I believe he was the first one (way back in January), he was definitely the most adamant one, to state that Kawhi wanted out of San Antonio. All of a sudden, he keeps hyping up Brooklyn as a destination. You wonder if he's connected to somebody close to Kawhi, and whether he knows something about Brooklyn being on a wish list.

I don't think we have the assets to get the deal done, but our best package probably has to include DLo/LeVert, Allen, RHJ + picks. You give that up, no questions asked. Kawhi here a year early would allow him to resign for more, and recruit FAs. SA, likely tries to force Mills, Gasol or others on you, and that's where things can get complicated. If you wipe out your depth, you can't also wipe out the 2019 cap space.

I always said the Nets joke and no picks narrative would change in 2019. I said those awful officiated games would change when we got our picks back.

The NBA is a storyline driven league. You look at Miami and tell me a team that was eliminated in the 1st round, best player got embarrassed and quit on the team, payroll capped out and no 1st round or 2nd round picks but has gotten zero criticism for it and they don't even own their 2021 pick which now belongs to Philadelphia. ALL that for Dragic...no backlash.

People hated the fact our owner was a Russian and our GM was an idiot with no assets or likable players or good players. That narrative has died out because there is a new sheriff in town (Hi, Cleveland, Sacramento & Memphis).

The Spurs model in NYC is literally what people have always asked for. Once, they see it in it's true form with a real winning team, the perception of the entire franchise will change and so will the fan base base.

It's what we've always said to be patient on during the embarrassing losses. If these guys continue to follow the right path, we'll have a much greater reputation going forward and the longer we do so, the better stability we show.

If there is any way we could aquire Kawhi, we have to do it now. And i honestly believe we are one of the dark horses here... There is no chance he would leave us next year when we got him and we could still add possibly 2 max players ( Hello Kyrie and Klay?).

Paradise wrote:

TheNetsFan wrote:

Paradise wrote:Once again, it's weird being talked about positively by ESPN as a destination.

Read on Twitter

Speak it into existence Jalen.

Rose blows a lot of smoke, but I believe he was the first one (way back in January), he was definitely the most adamant one, to state that Kawhi wanted out of San Antonio. All of a sudden, he keeps hyping up Brooklyn as a destination. You wonder if he's connected to somebody close to Kawhi, and whether he knows something about Brooklyn being on a wish list.

I don't think we have the assets to get the deal done, but our best package probably has to include DLo/LeVert, Allen, RHJ + picks. You give that up, no questions asked. Kawhi here a year early would allow him to resign for more, and recruit FAs. SA, likely tries to force Mills, Gasol or others on you, and that's where things can get complicated. If you wipe out your depth, you can't also wipe out the 2019 cap space.

I always said the Nets joke and no picks narrative would change in 2019. I said those awful officiated games would change when we got our picks back.

The NBA is a storyline driven league. You look at Miami and tell me a team that was eliminated in the 1st round, best player got embarrassed and quit on the team, payroll capped out and no 1st round or 2nd round picks but has gotten zero criticism for it and they don't even own their 2021 pick which now belongs to Philadelphia. ALL that for Dragic...no backlash.

People hated the fact our owner was a Russian and our GM was an idiot with no assets or likable players or good players. That narrative has died out because there is a new sheriff in town (Hi, Cleveland, Sacramento & Memphis).

The Spurs model in NYC is literally what people have always asked for. Once, they see it in it's true form with a real winning team, the perception of the entire franchise will change and so will the fan base base.

It's what we've always said to be patient on during the embarrassing losses. If these guys continue to follow the right path, we'll have a much greater reputation going forward and the longer we do so, the better stability we show.

I'm thinking it's less that the narrative has changed, and more that Jalen might be serving as a public mouthpiece for Kawhi's camp. I just don't see us having the assets to pull off a deal.

I hate to be a wet blanket, but this sounds more like wishful thinking than anything else.

And Marks would be a fool to trade all his assets and multiple picks unless Leonard agrees to an extension upon completion of the trade because frankly he's going to be playing on a team that's going to be terrible.

You guys do this to yourselves every summer, deluding yourselves into thinking that the Nets are some hot spot destination based off of a quick two second remark for Beadle and Rose.

the same Jalen rose that was trashing the Nets a few weeks ago, now all of a sudden you're using him saying "I would too" (re: Beadle saying right across the river) as evidence that Leonard wants to come here? come on guys.

TheNetsFan wrote:

Paradise wrote:

TheNetsFan wrote:Speak it into existence Jalen.

Rose blows a lot of smoke, but I believe he was the first one (way back in January), he was definitely the most adamant one, to state that Kawhi wanted out of San Antonio. All of a sudden, he keeps hyping up Brooklyn as a destination. You wonder if he's connected to somebody close to Kawhi, and whether he knows something about Brooklyn being on a wish list.

I don't think we have the assets to get the deal done, but our best package probably has to include DLo/LeVert, Allen, RHJ + picks. You give that up, no questions asked. Kawhi here a year early would allow him to resign for more, and recruit FAs. SA, likely tries to force Mills, Gasol or others on you, and that's where things can get complicated. If you wipe out your depth, you can't also wipe out the 2019 cap space.

I always said the Nets joke and no picks narrative would change in 2019. I said those awful officiated games would change when we got our picks back.

The NBA is a storyline driven league. You look at Miami and tell me a team that was eliminated in the 1st round, best player got embarrassed and quit on the team, payroll capped out and no 1st round or 2nd round picks but has gotten zero criticism for it and they don't even own their 2021 pick which now belongs to Philadelphia. ALL that for Dragic...no backlash.

People hated the fact our owner was a Russian and our GM was an idiot with no assets or likable players or good players. That narrative has died out because there is a new sheriff in town (Hi, Cleveland, Sacramento & Memphis).

The Spurs model in NYC is literally what people have always asked for. Once, they see it in it's true form with a real winning team, the perception of the entire franchise will change and so will the fan base base.

It's what we've always said to be patient on during the embarrassing losses. If these guys continue to follow the right path, we'll have a much greater reputation going forward and the longer we do so, the better stability we show.

I'm thinking it's less that the narrative has changed, and more that Jalen might be serving as a public mouthpiece for Kawhi's camp. I just don't see us having the assets to pull off a deal.

We don't but Sean Marks admitted to due diligence.

MrDollarBills wrote:I hate to be a wet blanket, but this sounds more like wishful thinking than anything else.

And Marks would be a fool to trade all his assets and multiple picks unless Leonard agrees to an extension upon completion of the trade because frankly he's going to be playing on a team that's going to be terrible.

You guys do this to yourselves every summer, deluding yourselves into thinking that the Nets are some hot spot destination based off of a quick two second remark for Beadle and Rose.

the same Jalen rose that was trashing the Nets a few weeks ago, now all of a sudden you're using him saying "I would too" (re: Beadle saying right across the river) as evidence that Leonard wants to come here? come on guys.

Nobody said that. The negative perception of the franchise is changing and that is all the Leonard to BK suggestions indicate when pundits mention it. The story was Knicks, Knicks, Knicks despite it being known his uncle has a relationship with Marks from SA days. Now, the media caught on.

It's obviously unrealistic but this isn't fantasy land, Sean Marks has to ask and make the call which he confirmed he would. It shouldn't be a big deal to hypothetically discuss it when we know a move is coming in 72 hours and we can be attached to it in any form including as a 3rd party (Deng + Kuz or Ingram?).

Secondly, the logic he would sign here and we would be terrible is absolutely ridiculous. He's aiming to go to a terrible Lakers team. That's basically saying Marks will deal for Leonard and enter the season with 4 signed players and a bunch of scrubs.

What sense would that make for any franchise? Anywhere Leonard ends up, LeBron and George will follow. Hence the hesitation for PG to leave OKC and Bron to leave CLE. This is confirmed and already out there. Any deal where a big market franchise lands Leonard...a super team will follow. Period.

Our window is next summer but we will get involved here if the opportunity presents itself and it seems like this is going be unpredictable for GMs and Owners.

MrDollarBills wrote:I hate to be a wet blanket, but this sounds more like wishful thinking than anything else.

And Marks would be a fool to trade all his assets and multiple picks unless Leonard agrees to an extension upon completion of the trade because frankly he's going to be playing on a team that's going to be terrible.

You guys do this to yourselves every summer, deluding yourselves into thinking that the Nets are some hot spot destination based off of a quick two second remark for Beadle and Rose.

the same Jalen rose that was trashing the Nets a few weeks ago, now all of a sudden you're using him saying "I would too" (re: Beadle saying right across the river) as evidence that Leonard wants to come here? come on guys.

It's been proven time and again that the Northeast is not a hot spot destination. I don't disagree with you. I just find it odd that Jalen Rose of all people has been talking up Brooklyn all of a sudden.

Kawhi won't sign an extension anywhere he goes. He'd be foolish to lock in at a deal starting at about $24mil, when he can wait until FA & get a deal starting around $32mil. Any team that trades for him does so believing he'll resign. No team will get ink on paper.

MrDollarBills wrote:I hate to be a wet blanket, but this sounds more like wishful thinking than anything else.

And Marks would be a fool to trade all his assets and multiple picks unless Leonard agrees to an extension upon completion of the trade because frankly he's going to be playing on a team that's going to be terrible.

You guys do this to yourselves every summer, deluding yourselves into thinking that the Nets are some hot spot destination based off of a quick two second remark for Beadle and Rose.

the same Jalen rose that was trashing the Nets a few weeks ago, now all of a sudden you're using him saying "I would too" (re: Beadle saying right across the river) as evidence that Leonard wants to come here? come on guys.

I think its dumb to try and acquire a player who is sick of the organization that we model ourselves after.

The only way we turn into a FA destination next summer is if we make the playoffs with our current core. All our organization stuff is cute but it only really attracts good players if they know they're coming to a team with good players.

I suspect we stand pat, don't buy Lin out, try to move our expiring vets at the deadline, and see how our young players progress.

Ror1997 wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:I hate to be a wet blanket, but this sounds more like wishful thinking than anything else.

And Marks would be a fool to trade all his assets and multiple picks unless Leonard agrees to an extension upon completion of the trade because frankly he's going to be playing on a team that's going to be terrible.

You guys do this to yourselves every summer, deluding yourselves into thinking that the Nets are some hot spot destination based off of a quick two second remark for Beadle and Rose.

the same Jalen rose that was trashing the Nets a few weeks ago, now all of a sudden you're using him saying "I would too" (re: Beadle saying right across the river) as evidence that Leonard wants to come here? come on guys.

I think its dumb to try and acquire a player who is sick of the organization that we model ourselves after.

This. I think the only reason we've ever been connected to Kwhai is because we model ourselves after the Spurs, but if everything that has come out about how Kwhai is tired of the Spurs' way then I see no reason he'd want to come here. Even if we did have the assets to pull off the trade it'd be risky just because tehre'd be no guarantee that he'd was to sign here long-term.