Lumber Joe, Joey Moses, Beef Jerky Joe - The Official Joe Harris Thread

steady · Post #101 » by **steady** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:18 am

I take for granted that most rookies - unless they are the very exceptional case, like top lottery picks - are best served by having some time in D League to develop their skills in a more low key environment

I don't take it as any knock of them.

Ror1997 · Post #102 » by **Ror1997** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:19 am

hood30 wrote:
Ror1997 wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:Yes, high BBIQ, he moves well without the ball and can pass pretty well.

Problem is on the other end of the floor, bigger problem is that we already have RHJ and Bogs at the same position. Maybe a trade makes sense.

Well they can all play both SG and SF so that makes it easier to give them all PT. When LeVert comes back, that's when I think the trade will come. LeVert will hopefully help fix the bench defense issues too.

Can we at least see how LeVert play first before anointing him as a starter and wanting to trde guys like Bogs who have shown to be decent NBA players...As for as I know, I don't even know whether LeVert can ball or how quickly can he adjust to the NBA physicality...He could look as bad as Whitehead in the next few years.

When he gets back from his injury, I would think they would take it very slow with him minutes..Under any circumstances should LeVert be starting games this year.....

Maybe if the season is well decided and you could let him start the final 10 games, but not when things matter, UNLESS he outperform the other guys in training, which is HIGHLY unlikely considering he hasn't had a preseason and the NBA is not NCAA basketball

When he gets back, he should come off the bench and probably play small minutes..take it slow.

I see too many people talk about this kid as if he's proven himself already..This is not Paul George coming back from foot injury..This is a college kid who will need to adjust his game and everything...He may take him time just like it'll take CMC time to adjust to NBA.

Literally all I said was that he could be one of the few wings off the bench who can play competent defense. Never said anything about starting him.

kamaze · Post #103 » by **kamaze** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:34 pm

hood30 wrote:
Ror1997 wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:Yes, high BBIQ, he moves well without the ball and can pass pretty well.

Problem is on the other end of the floor, bigger problem is that we already have RHJ and Bogs at the same position. Maybe a trade makes sense.

Well they can all play both SG and SF so that makes it easier to give them all PT. When LeVert comes back, that's when I think the trade will come. LeVert will hopefully help fix the bench defense issues too.

Can we at least see how LeVert play first before anointing him as a starter and wanting to trde guys like Bogs who have shown to be decent NBA players...As for as I know, I don't even know whether LeVert can ball or how quickly can he adjust to the NBA physicality...He could look as bad as Whitehead in the next few years.

When he gets back from his injury, I would think they would take it very slow with him minutes..Under any circumstances should LeVert be starting games this year.....

Maybe if the season is well decided and you could let him start the final 10 games, but not when things matter, UNLESS he outperform the other guys in training, which is HIGHLY unlikely considering he hasn't had a preseason and the NBA is not NCAA basketball

When he gets back, he should come off the bench and probably play small minutes..take it slow.

I see too many people talk about this kid as if he's proven himself already..This is not Paul George coming back from foot injury..This is a college kid who will need to adjust his game and everything...He may take him time just like it'll take CMC time to adjust to NBA.

MrDollarBills · Post #104 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:09 pm

hood30 wrote:
Ror1997 wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:Yes, high BBIQ, he moves well without the ball and can pass pretty well.

Problem is on the other end of the floor, bigger problem is that we already have RHJ and Bogs at the same position. Maybe a trade makes sense.

Well they can all play both SG and SF so that makes it easier to give them all PT. When LeVert comes back, that's when I think the trade will come. LeVert will hopefully help fix the bench defense issues too.

Can we at least see how LeVert play first before anointing him as a starter and wanting to trde guys like Bogs who have shown to be decent NBA players...As for as I know, I don't even know whether LeVert can ball or how quickly can he adjust to the NBA physicality...He could look as bad as Whitehead in the next few years.

When he gets back from his injury, I would think they would take it very slow with him minutes..Under any circumstances should LeVert be starting games this year.....

Maybe if the season is well decided and you could let him start the final 10 games, but not when things matter, UNLESS he outperform the other guys in training, which is HIGHLY unlikely considering he hasn't had a preseason and the NBA is not NCAA basketball

When he gets back, he should come off the bench and probably play small minutes..take it slow.

I see too many people talk about this kid as if he's proven himself already..This is not Paul George coming back from foot injury..This is a college kid who will need to adjust his game and everything...He may take him time just like it'll take CMC time to adjust to NBA.

He was traded for a legitimate starting player in his prime, a starter that is going to be stellar for the Indiana Pacers this season.

Expectations are high. He has to hit the ground running or else that trade will have been a disaster.

Post #105 » by **CalamityX12** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:13 pm

Expectations are high cuz of what MDB stated above IMO.

What did the trade really do for the organization? unfortunately that's dependent on what LeVert can do. But making such a move, then drafting someone, for whom all of the majority of NBA draft pundits didn't have in their first 25 picks or first rd projections along with the fact he had a leg injury or 2 to boot.... we fans are in right to know if it was worth it.

hood30 · Post #106 » by **hood30** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:26 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
hood30 wrote:
Ror1997 wrote:
Well they can all play both SG and SF so that makes it easier to give them all PT. When LeVert comes back, that's when I think the trade will come. LeVert will hopefully help fix the bench defense issues too.

Can we at least see how LeVert play first before anointing him as a starter and wanting to trde guys like Bogs who have shown to be decent NBA players...As for as I know, I don't even know whether LeVert can ball or how quickly can he adjust to the NBA physicality...He could look as bad as Whitehead in the next few years.

When he gets back from his injury, I would think they would take it very slow with him minutes..Under any circumstances should LeVert be starting games this year.....

Maybe if the season is well decided and you could let him start the final 10 games, but not when things matter, UNLESS he outperform the other guys in training, which is HIGHLY unlikely considering he hasn't had a preseason and the NBA is not NCAA basketball

When he gets back, he should come off the bench and probably play small minutes..take it slow.

I see too many people talk about this kid as if he's proven himself already..This is not Paul George coming back from foot injury..This is a college kid who will need to adjust his game and everything...He may take him time just like it'll take CMC time to adjust to NBA.

He was traded for a legitimate starting player in his prime, a starter that is going to be stellar for the Indiana Pacers this season.

Expectations are high. He has to hit the ground running or else that trade will have been a disaster.

Well, he's still young and I don't necessarily believe he needs to be a starter or play a large role on the team this year....The guy missed a lot of college game experience through multiple injuries to his foot and I strongly doubt he's going to come back and look even average in the NBA in his first year...There's going to be massive amount of adjustment for him to do..This is not College.

It's more likely he'll look just like McCollough who also didn't play a lot of college ball..

You see guys like Hezonja who was a lottery pick who are rotational players and still not starting..Stanley Johnson looking okay but nothing special yet, so I doubt LeVert will somehow look any better when he's coming from a far worse situation and hasn't played basketball for a while now...That is College basketball.

Ror1997 · Post #107 » by **Ror1997** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:34 pm

hood30 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
hood30 wrote:
Can we at least see how LeVert play first before anointing him as a starter and wanting to trde guys like Bogs who have shown to be decent NBA players...As for as I know, I don't even know whether LeVert can ball or how quickly can he adjust to the NBA physicality...He could look as bad as Whitehead in the next few years.

When he gets back from his injury, I would think they would take it very slow with him minutes..Under any circumstances should LeVert be starting games this year.....

Maybe if the season is well decided and you could let him start the final 10 games, but not when things matter, UNLESS he outperform the other guys in training, which is HIGHLY unlikely considering he hasn't had a preseason and the NBA is not NCAA basketball

When he gets back, he should come off the bench and probably play small minutes..take it slow.

I see too many people talk about this kid as if he's proven himself already..This is not Paul George coming back from foot injury..This is a college kid who will need to adjust his game and everything...He may take him time just like it'll take CMC time to adjust to NBA.

He was traded for a legitimate starting player in his prime, a starter that is going to be stellar for the Indiana Pacers this season.

Expectations are high. He has to hit the ground running or else that trade will have been a disaster.

Well, he's still young and I don't necessarily believe he needs to be a starter or play a large role on the team this year....The guy missed a lot of college game experience through multiple injuries to his foot and I strongly doubt he's going to come back and look even average in the NBA in his first year...There's going to be massive amount of adjustment for him to do..This is not College.

It's more likely he'll look just like McCollough who also didn't play a lot of college ball..

You see guys like Hezonja who was a lottery pick who are rotational players and still not starting..Stanley Johnson looking okay but nothing special yet, so I doubt LeVert will somehow look any better when he's coming from a far worse situation and hasn't played basketball for a while now...That is College basketball.

McCullough didn't play more than 15 games in college. Hezonja and Johnson were drafted when they were 20 and 19 years old respectively.

Caris LeVert is a 4 year player, who's 22 and played over 100 games in college.

kamaze · Post #108 » by **kamaze** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:52 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
He was traded for a legitimate starting player in his prime, a starter that is going to be stellar for the Indiana Pacers this season.

Expectations are high. He has to hit the ground running or else that trade will have been a disaster.

He didn't fit the coach's style and we needed the cap space. Can you see him shooting threes? I can't. Brook is more of a perimeter shooter.

That cap space allowed Marks to build a team with Kenny Atkinson's vision in mind. If one or 2 free agents signed (wing players) LeVert would be an afterthought. Just goes to show you can't gamble that way.
No need to stress they can still absorb contracts and get draft picks.

ChokeFasncists · Post #109 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:01 am

Paradise wrote:

Some serious hops right there. Big plus.

jbeachboy · Post #110 » by **jbeachboy** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:15 am

levert is like mcgrady jr.

Paradise · Post #111 » by **Paradise** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:09 pm

Sweet J Joe.

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Prokorov · Post #112 » by **Prokorov** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:54 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
hood30 wrote:
Ror1997 wrote:
Well they can all play both SG and SF so that makes it easier to give them all PT. When LeVert comes back, that's when I think the trade will come. LeVert will hopefully help fix the bench defense issues too.

Can we at least see how LeVert play first before anointing him as a starter and wanting to trde guys like Bogs who have shown to be decent NBA players...As for as I know, I don't even know whether LeVert can ball or how quickly can he adjust to the NBA physicality...He could look as bad as Whitehead in the next few years.

When he gets back from his injury, I would think they would take it very slow with him minutes..Under any circumstances should LeVert be starting games this year.....

Maybe if the season is well decided and you could let him start the final 10 games, but not when things matter, UNLESS he outperform the other guys in training, which is HIGHLY unlikely considering he hasn't had a preseason and the NBA is not NCAA basketball

When he gets back, he should come off the bench and probably play small minutes..take it slow.

I see too many people talk about this kid as if he's proven himself already..This is not Paul George coming back from foot injury..This is a college kid who will need to adjust his game and everything...He may take him time just like it'll take CMC time to adjust to NBA.

He was traded for a legitimate starting player in his prime, a starter that is going to be stellar for the Indiana Pacers this season.

Expectations are high. He has to hit the ground running or else that trade will have been a disaster.

lets not oversell thad. he is a borderline starter and 1 way role energy player who is somewhere between your 5th starter and first big off the bench for a playoff team. he isnt a difference maker. let not just put it all on levert either, that trade was mostly for cap space, not the pick. lets see how that money (Hamilton/Booker) do for us.

ChokeFasncists · Post #113 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:41 pm

The Pacers would be better off getting a 3&D PF and have Thad come off the bench.

But it's good right now, lets beat them.

Harris might have been out of shape after the surgery and not playing for so long. He is looking lighter and quicker now. What a steal by Marks. He can most likely by our JJ Reddick (sorry even tho you might have bought a house in Brooklyn) or Korver.

jbeachboy · Post #114 » by **jbeachboy** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:42 pm

i hope joe harris works on his driving to the basket skills and inside game too.

Post #115 » by **Trader_Joe** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:20 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:The Pacers would be better off getting a 3&D PF and have Thad come off the bench.

But it's good right now, lets beat them.

Harris might have been out of shape after the surgery and not playing for so long. He is looking lighter and quicker now. What a steal by Marks. He can most likely by our JJ Reddick (sorry even tho you might have bought a house in Brooklyn) or Korver.

I think he fits them very well.
Turner has 3 point range and PG, Ellis and Teague all are good at attacking the basket. He's gonna be a garbage man for them. Plus he would not fit well with Big Al off the bench.

Post #116 » by **NyCeEvO** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:55 pm

Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
hood30 wrote:
Can we at least see how LeVert play first before anointing him as a starter and wanting to trde guys like Bogs who have shown to be decent NBA players...As for as I know, I don't even know whether LeVert can ball or how quickly can he adjust to the NBA physicality...He could look as bad as Whitehead in the next few years.

When he gets back from his injury, I would think they would take it very slow with him minutes..Under any circumstances should LeVert be starting games this year.....

Maybe if the season is well decided and you could let him start the final 10 games, but not when things matter, UNLESS he outperform the other guys in training, which is HIGHLY unlikely considering he hasn't had a preseason and the NBA is not NCAA basketball

When he gets back, he should come off the bench and probably play small minutes..take it slow.

I see too many people talk about this kid as if he's proven himself already..This is not Paul George coming back from foot injury..This is a college kid who will need to adjust his game and everything...He may take him time just like it'll take CMC time to adjust to NBA.

He was traded for a legitimate starting player in his prime, a starter that is going to be stellar for the Indiana Pacers this season.

Expectations are high. He has to hit the ground running or else that trade will have been a disaster.

lets not oversell thad. he is a borderline starter and 1 way role energy player who is somewhere between your 5th starter and first big off the bench for a playoff team. he isnt a difference maker. let not just put it all on levert either, that trade was mostly for cap space, not the pick. lets see how that money (Hamilton/Booker) do for us.

Additionally, no one should be expecting this kid to put up numbers immediately.

The Nets weren't simply looking to replace Thad's numbers with Levert's at a cheaper salary.

They used the cap space freed up by moving Thad to sign TJ and Crabbe to their offer sheets. And they also took a flyer on Levert because they believe that he can be really good over the long haul.

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ChokeFasncists · Post #117 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:23 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:The Pacers would be better off getting a 3&D PF and have Thad come off the bench.

But it's good right now, lets beat them.

Harris might have been out of shape after the surgery and not playing for so long. He is looking lighter and quicker now. What a steal by Marks. He can most likely by our JJ Reddick (sorry even tho you might have bought a house in Brooklyn) or Korver.

I think he fits them very well.
Turner has 3 point range and PG, Ellis and Teague all are good at attacking the basket. He's gonna be a garbage man for them. Plus he would not fit well with Big Al off the bench.

Ya, having Big Al there is a problem. 3&D 4 would fit next to him even more. But it could still work?

I dunno, I just don't think having a garbage man on offense does that much for a starting lineup. Bigger problem is that their backcourt doesn't play very good D so it would be three subpar defenders in the starting lineup. It's gonna tire out PG quickly and get Turner into foul troubles.

Paradise · Post #118 » by **Paradise** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:18 pm

Thanks, LeBron. Joe Harris doesn't end up traded and waived if he didn't return.

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jbeachboy · Post #119 » by **jbeachboy** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:25 pm

cavs gave up on joe harris fast. im really liking joe harris ability. if joe can ever learn that driving and in between game, he will be some pickup.

Prokorov · Post #120 » by **Prokorov** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:26 pm

Before last nites game Harris was shooting 24% from three.

after the game he is shooting 34% from three.

thats a good example of why should knee jerk so early in the season. these guys Are mostly role players and guys who have not seen big minutes in the past. its going to be inconsistent. bogs is the whipping boy now that whitehead/RHJ have looked good after struggling. it will take just 1-2 games from bogs before his numbers look good again.