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With all the talk of singing 2 Max FA’s in 2019, I figure it would be a good idea to actually show how that would have to happen.

Next year we have on the books:

Players:
Allen Crabbe - $18,500,000 (PO)
Joe Harris - $8, 367,692
Jarrett Allen - $2,376,840
Shabazz Napier - $1,845,301 (TO)
Caris LeVert - $2,625,718
Dzanan Musa - $1,911,600
Rodion Kurucs ~ $1,603,638 (estimate)

Dead Money:
Dead Williams - $5,474,787

Cap holds:
D’Angelo Russell - $21,059,095
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson - $7,411,071
Spencer Dinwiddie - $1,603,638

Draft Picks
Gonna say we draft #5 - $6,333,960
Gonna say Denver drafts #18 - $2,787,360
Somewhat arbitrary but my best guesses for now

Which leaves us with $26,159,300 in cap space.

There can be slight variation based upon:
Our draft pick positions
What we do with Napier and Dinwiddie

IMO makes sense to keep such cheap players/cap holds like Napier and Dinwiddie.
Also, I do not see Crabbe opting out.

It comes down to getting to $65m in cap space to afford say KL and KI who both need $32.5m to sign a max, thus we still need close to $40m more in cap to do that.

How does that happen?
IMO, the easiest solution is…..
Renounce D.Lo and let him walk (if not trade him this season for an expiring contract and future pick)
AND
Trade Crabbe for an expiring this season, or cap space next summer with as little incentive as possible.
(hopefully he has a good year and there will be plenty of cap space next summer.

If we do those two things, we can still re-sign Dinwiddie and RHJ and go over the cap, leaving us with:

Kyrie Irving / Spencer Dinwiddie / Shabazz Napier
Caris LeVert / Dzanan Musa
Kawhi Leonard / Joe Harris / Treveon Graham
Hollis-Jefferson / Rodion Kurucs
Jarrett Allen / Ed Davis
+
2019 Brooklyn #1
2019 Denver #1

I’d look to sign:
RHJ starting at $10m a year for 4/$45m
Dinwiddie starting at $7m a year for 4/$30m
Use the Room Exception on Ed Davis again

Using the Room Exception and signing our picks, we would be around $123m in salary.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=7593978605b61c56d9334b034531101
(I picked arbitrary players to sign for Kurucs as he isn't listed and a random Room Exception)

Trade DLo by the trade deadline for a pick or another young promising player that will fit on the team.
Trade Dinwiddie small contract along with Crabbe big contract by the deadline and get whatever value you can get back.
Draft 2 good players or trade both picks to move up into the top 3 etc..
Sign 1 or 2 max guys if can. Kyrie/ Klay/ Kawhi any one of those.
Re-sign RHJ if can or renounce him, depending if we sign or strike out on FAs.

How easily could the Nets create 3 max slots? Package Dlo/Crabbe for a pick?



If Irving, Butler, & Kawhi want to team up, the Nets seem to have the clearest path to creating 3 max slots

Trader_Joe wrote:With all the talk of singing 2 Max FA’s in 2019, I figure it would be a good idea to actually show how that would have to happen.

Next year we have on the books:

Players:
Allen Crabbe - $18,500,000 (PO)
Joe Harris - $8, 367,692
Jarrett Allen - $2,376,840
Shabazz Napier - $1,845,301 (TO)
Caris LeVert - $2,625,718
Dzanan Musa - $1,911,600
Rodion Kurucs ~ $1,603,638 (estimate)

Dead Money:
Dead Williams - $5,474,787

Cap holds:
D’Angelo Russell - $21,059,095
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson - $7,411,071
Spencer Dinwiddie - $1,603,638

Draft Picks
Gonna say we draft #5 - $6,333,960
Gonna say Denver drafts #18 - $2,787,360
Somewhat arbitrary but my best guesses for now

Which leaves us with $26,159,300 in cap space.

There can be slight variation based upon:
Our draft pick positions
What we do with Napier and Dinwiddie

IMO makes sense to keep such cheap players/cap holds like Napier and Dinwiddie.
Also, I do not see Crabbe opting out.

It comes down to getting to $65m in cap space to afford say KL and KI who both need $32.5m to sign a max, thus we still need close to $40m more in cap to do that.

How does that happen?
IMO, the easiest solution is…..
Renounce D.Lo and let him walk (if not trade him this season for an expiring contract and future pick)
AND
Trade Crabbe for an expiring this season, or cap space next summer with as little incentive as possible.
(hopefully he has a good year and there will be plenty of cap space next summer.

If we do those two things, we can still re-sign Dinwiddie and RHJ and go over the cap, leaving us with:

Kyrie Irving / Spencer Dinwiddie / Shabazz Napier
Caris LeVert / Dzanan Musa
Kawhi Leonard / Joe Harris
Hollis-Jefferson / Rodion Kurucs
Jarrett Allen
+
2019 Brooklyn #1
2019 Denver #1
Room Exception

I’d look to sign:
RHJ starting at $12m a year for 4/$54m
Dinwiddie starting at $8m a year for 4/$36m
Using the Room Exception and signing our picks, we would be around $123m in salary.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=7593978605b61c56d9334b034531101
(I picked arbitrary players to sign for Kurucs as he isn't listed and a random Room Exception)

Renounce russell. Use the denver pick and levert to move crabbes deal.

sign 2 max players

trade RHJ, our lottery pick for a third all-star

Prokorov wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:With all the talk of singing 2 Max FA’s in 2019, I figure it would be a good idea to actually show how that would have to happen.

Next year we have on the books:

Players:
Allen Crabbe - $18,500,000 (PO)
Joe Harris - $8, 367,692
Jarrett Allen - $2,376,840
Shabazz Napier - $1,845,301 (TO)
Caris LeVert - $2,625,718
Dzanan Musa - $1,911,600
Rodion Kurucs ~ $1,603,638 (estimate)

Dead Money:
Dead Williams - $5,474,787

Cap holds:
D’Angelo Russell - $21,059,095
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson - $7,411,071
Spencer Dinwiddie - $1,603,638

Draft Picks
Gonna say we draft #5 - $6,333,960
Gonna say Denver drafts #18 - $2,787,360
Somewhat arbitrary but my best guesses for now

Which leaves us with $26,159,300 in cap space.

There can be slight variation based upon:
Our draft pick positions
What we do with Napier and Dinwiddie

IMO makes sense to keep such cheap players/cap holds like Napier and Dinwiddie.
Also, I do not see Crabbe opting out.

It comes down to getting to $65m in cap space to afford say KL and KI who both need $32.5m to sign a max, thus we still need close to $40m more in cap to do that.

How does that happen?
IMO, the easiest solution is…..
Renounce D.Lo and let him walk (if not trade him this season for an expiring contract and future pick)
AND
Trade Crabbe for an expiring this season, or cap space next summer with as little incentive as possible.
(hopefully he has a good year and there will be plenty of cap space next summer.

If we do those two things, we can still re-sign Dinwiddie and RHJ and go over the cap, leaving us with:

Kyrie Irving / Spencer Dinwiddie / Shabazz Napier
Caris LeVert / Dzanan Musa
Kawhi Leonard / Joe Harris
Hollis-Jefferson / Rodion Kurucs
Jarrett Allen
+
2019 Brooklyn #1
2019 Denver #1
Room Exception

I’d look to sign:
RHJ starting at $12m a year for 4/$54m
Dinwiddie starting at $8m a year for 4/$36m
Using the Room Exception and signing our picks, we would be around $123m in salary.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=7593978605b61c56d9334b034531101
(I picked arbitrary players to sign for Kurucs as he isn't listed and a random Room Exception)

Renounce russell. Use the denver pick and levert to move crabbes deal.

sign 2 max players

trade RHJ, our lottery pick for a third all-star

LeVert and a first to move AC?

Absurd.

Trader_Joe wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:With all the talk of singing 2 Max FA’s in 2019, I figure it would be a good idea to actually show how that would have to happen.

Next year we have on the books:

Players:
Allen Crabbe - $18,500,000 (PO)
Joe Harris - $8, 367,692
Jarrett Allen - $2,376,840
Shabazz Napier - $1,845,301 (TO)
Caris LeVert - $2,625,718
Dzanan Musa - $1,911,600
Rodion Kurucs ~ $1,603,638 (estimate)

Dead Money:
Dead Williams - $5,474,787

Cap holds:
D’Angelo Russell - $21,059,095
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson - $7,411,071
Spencer Dinwiddie - $1,603,638

Draft Picks
Gonna say we draft #5 - $6,333,960
Gonna say Denver drafts #18 - $2,787,360
Somewhat arbitrary but my best guesses for now

Which leaves us with $26,159,300 in cap space.

There can be slight variation based upon:
Our draft pick positions
What we do with Napier and Dinwiddie

IMO makes sense to keep such cheap players/cap holds like Napier and Dinwiddie.
Also, I do not see Crabbe opting out.

It comes down to getting to $65m in cap space to afford say KL and KI who both need $32.5m to sign a max, thus we still need close to $40m more in cap to do that.

How does that happen?
IMO, the easiest solution is…..
Renounce D.Lo and let him walk (if not trade him this season for an expiring contract and future pick)
AND
Trade Crabbe for an expiring this season, or cap space next summer with as little incentive as possible.
(hopefully he has a good year and there will be plenty of cap space next summer.

If we do those two things, we can still re-sign Dinwiddie and RHJ and go over the cap, leaving us with:

Kyrie Irving / Spencer Dinwiddie / Shabazz Napier
Caris LeVert / Dzanan Musa
Kawhi Leonard / Joe Harris
Hollis-Jefferson / Rodion Kurucs
Jarrett Allen
+
2019 Brooklyn #1
2019 Denver #1
Room Exception

I’d look to sign:
RHJ starting at $12m a year for 4/$54m
Dinwiddie starting at $8m a year for 4/$36m
Using the Room Exception and signing our picks, we would be around $123m in salary.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=7593978605b61c56d9334b034531101
(I picked arbitrary players to sign for Kurucs as he isn't listed and a random Room Exception)

Renounce russell. Use the denver pick and levert to move crabbes deal.

sign 2 max players

trade RHJ, our lottery pick for a third all-star

LeVert and a first to move AC?

Absurd.

unlikely it gets done for less.

Levert doesnt have the value nets fans assume he does. he is a low level role player with a relatively mediocure ceiling

Prokorov wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:

Prokorov wrote:
Renounce russell. Use the denver pick and levert to move crabbes deal.

sign 2 max players

trade RHJ, our lottery pick for a third all-star

LeVert and a first to move AC?

Absurd.

unlikely it gets done for less.

Levert doesnt have the value nets fans assume he does. he is a low level role player with a relatively mediocure ceiling

There is a ton of cap next summer.
Absurd.
That would get a good player, more than cap. BTW you meant RHJ. CLV is the opposite. I trust those that speak with ppl.

Our assets

Allen
2019 #1
Denver #1
LeVert
Russell
Musa
RHJ
Harris
Davis
Kurucs
Dinwiddie
Graham
Crabbe
Faried
Dudley

Trader_Joe wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:
LeVert and a first to move AC?

Absurd.

unlikely it gets done for less.

Levert doesnt have the value nets fans assume he does. he is a low level role player with a relatively mediocure ceiling

There is a ton of cap next summer.
Absurd.
That would get a good player, more than cap. BTW you meant RHJ. CLV is the opposite. I trust those that speak with ppl.

RHJ is just a role player as well. he is a bit younger but has less rookie term left. their value is likely similar cause of RHJs contract

but levert is a career role player. nothing special about him.

Prokorov wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:

Prokorov wrote:
unlikely it gets done for less.

Levert doesnt have the value nets fans assume he does. he is a low level role player with a relatively mediocure ceiling

There is a ton of cap next summer.
Absurd.
That would get a good player, more than cap. BTW you meant RHJ. CLV is the opposite. I trust those that speak with ppl.

RHJ is just a role player as well. he is a bit younger but has less rookie term left. their value is likely similar cause of RHJs contract

but levert is a career role player. nothing special about him.

Their ceilings are G.Wallace and S.Smith

Rather have Smith in today's game.

Trader_Joe wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:There is a ton of cap next summer.
Absurd.
That would get a good player, more than cap. BTW you meant RHJ. CLV is the opposite. I trust those that speak with ppl.

RHJ is just a role player as well. he is a bit younger but has less rookie term left. their value is likely similar cause of RHJs contract

but levert is a career role player. nothing special about him.

Their ceilings are G.Wallace and S.Smith

Rather have Smith in today's game.

i dont think levert has that ceiling.

I think one of the best ways to move Crabbe would be in a trade for Jimmy Butler. If we think Butler is one of those big names we really want to target, then I think you could make a trade of Crabbe, Levert, Dinwiddie, + Denver pick for Butler. You low key move off Crabbe and just calculate his money for 19-20 into Butler's new deal.


But with the whole "Kyrie and Kawhi want to play together" theory, I can see Massai pulling another all-in move. He makes a move midseason where it's essentially a Lowry for Kyrie swap, and may even include a prospect like Siakam. Ainge doesn't let Kyrie walk for nothing, and Massai shows Leonard he's dedicated to him by bringing in Kyrie. IDK, could be something to watch for. That Ibaka money will hurt them though.

Trader_Joe wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:There is a ton of cap next summer.
Absurd.
That would get a good player, more than cap. BTW you meant RHJ. CLV is the opposite. I trust those that speak with ppl.

RHJ is just a role player as well. he is a bit younger but has less rookie term left. their value is likely similar cause of RHJs contract

but levert is a career role player. nothing special about him.

Their ceilings are G.Wallace and S.Smith

Rather have Smith in today's game.

Smith's game and LeVert's game are totally different. Smitty's jumper was also better.

Keith Van Horn wrote:I think one of the best ways to move Crabbe would be in a trade for Jimmy Butler. If we think Butler is one of those big names we really want to target, then I think you could make a trade of Crabbe, Levert, Dinwiddie, + Denver pick for Butler. You low key move off Crabbe and just calculate his money for 19-20 into Butler's new deal.


But with the whole "Kyrie and Kawhi want to play together" theory, I can see Massai pulling another all-in move. He makes a move midseason where it's essentially a Lowry for Kyrie swap, and may even include a prospect like Siakam. Ainge doesn't let Kyrie walk for nothing, and Massai shows Leonard he's dedicated to him by bringing in Kyrie. IDK, could be something to watch for. That Ibaka money will hurt them though.

I've been saying this, if you want to really get the ball rolling attracting players here, you preemptively trade for Butler with assets that you can afford to give up and hope that you can sell him enough to have him actively recruit Irving and possibly Leonard.

Doing the math - how many times have 2 max FA's signed in the same place. Once. Miami. And they had Wade/Riley/47 wins to recruit on. And if Lebron wasn't 1 of them they wouldn't have won anything.

Just keeping things in perspective, it's a massive, massive, longshot.

Keith Van Horn wrote:I think one of the best ways to move Crabbe would be in a trade for Jimmy Butler. If we think Butler is one of those big names we really want to target, then I think you could make a trade of Crabbe, Levert, Dinwiddie, + Denver pick for Butler. You low key move off Crabbe and just calculate his money for 19-20 into Butler's new deal.


But with the whole "Kyrie and Kawhi want to play together" theory, I can see Massai pulling another all-in move. He makes a move midseason where it's essentially a Lowry for Kyrie swap, and may even include a prospect like Siakam. Ainge doesn't let Kyrie walk for nothing, and Massai shows Leonard he's dedicated to him by bringing in Kyrie. IDK, could be something to watch for. That Ibaka money will hurt them though.

I am not giving up all that value when legit stars are being traded for a whole lot less, I rather wait for him in FA. And to be honest, I really kind of don't even want Butler here to begin with, he's a ball stopper, doesn't really fit the offense and he's not a great locker room guy.

And why are we just renouncing DLo when we can at least trade him in the season and get some kind of value for him. It should not take Levert and a 1st to move Crabbe, Crabbe can still play and shoot, he's not a garbage contract like Mozgov or Faried is etc.. I think Dinwiddie should get it done or DLo at least

Is there any way to do this without straight up renouncing Russell? I could've sworn there was.

I think this team up thing is WAY overblown. Has it happened through FA outside of Miami? Stars in recent years have been signing with established teams. Superstars and all star types. Not just looking for any team with empty slots so they can play together.

Trading picks and young guys then praying that someone signs with us is crazy.

The competition is too tough. Lakers have max space + LBJ + Ball/Ingram. The Knicks have max space + KP. Mavs are going to have space for 2 max contracts + Doncic/Dennis Smith + championship pedigree. The Sixers are going to have an open slot + 2 stars. The Jazz have an open slot + 2 stars.

We're basically in the same exact situation as the Clippers without the recent success.

MrDollarBills wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:

Prokorov wrote:
RHJ is just a role player as well. he is a bit younger but has less rookie term left. their value is likely similar cause of RHJs contract

but levert is a career role player. nothing special about him.

Their ceilings are G.Wallace and S.Smith

Rather have Smith in today's game.

Smith's game and LeVert's game are totally different. Smitty's jumper was also better.

I think they are very similar.
Both are 6'7"/6'8", both can shoot, both can play PG, both are good defenders, both have smooth games and don't rely on athleticism too much.

Netaman wrote:Doing the math - how many times have 2 max FA's signed in the same place. Once. Miami. And they had Wade/Riley/47 wins to recruit on. And if Lebron wasn't 1 of them they wouldn't have won anything.

Just keeping things in perspective, it's a massive, massive, longshot.

This is what I keep trying to tell people but I'm the bad guy when I do so. Hopefully hearing it from other folks will make people ease up a bit and realize that it is indeed a long shot to happen.

Trader_Joe wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:Their ceilings are G.Wallace and S.Smith

Rather have Smith in today's game.

Smith's game and LeVert's game are totally different. Smitty's jumper was also better.

I think they are very similar.
Both are 6'7"/6'8", both can shoot, both can play PG, both are good defenders, both have smooth games and don't rely on athleticism too much.

I think leVert's ball handle and first step are better than Smitty's. I'm trying to recall from my memory how good Smitty was defensively. I still say he was a better shooter than LeVert has shown thus far. Both players have solid bball IQ, Smitty was a bit more craftier imo to make up for his lack of hops.