Nets Offseason Moves & Possible Trade Ideas III

[NyCeEvO]

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Windrem/NI has stated that Thibs/Minny has tried to trade for LeVert multiple times. I don't know what they were offering, but it appears that Thibs has coveted LeVert for a while. I'd really like to groom LeVert for that Manu super-sub role, but if we desire Butler, LeVert maybe part of a low-key compromise between future & now for the Wolves.

A rumor that the Wolves tried to trade Jimmy Butler for Caris Levert sounds like fake news. If the Knicks weren't gonna give up draft picks for Butler, I can assure you Sean Marks won't either.

When you look at the teams and day Jimmy Butler requested the trade, it is clear that money is a motivating factor (which is ironic because he's accusing Wiggins of just playing for the money). Butler saw Harden, Russ, and Paul George get paid and he wants the same thing. Kawhi's situation is similar, demand out of San Antonio because he saw James Harden's Adidas deal.

Everyone among that class of All-Stars is trying to ensure they get paid. Klay and Kyrie are the last two dominoes to demand their max $150m contracts. If Golden State is choosing between Klay and Draymond, Draymond gotta go.

Sean Marks' primary concern is constructing the roster that can surpass Giannis and Simmons. I'm not sure the player that takes us to the next level is in the league yet.

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Nobody said that the Wolves tried to trade Butler for LeVert. He stated that the Wolves had made overtures to trade for LeVert multiple times, and that Thibs really likes him. Thibs may have been offering trash. I have no reason to doubt Windrem when he says that Thibs has made attempts to land LeVert in the past.

All of the young guys on our team are hard workers, I don't think that's really an issue. Plus, its not really about them, its about him being here to draw in another max slot free agent or two.

Butler, a bull dog competitor on a team that is becoming known for playing hard seems like a good fit for the culture, but I could be wrong. All I know is, if it takes DEN 1st, LeVert and either Crabbe or Carroll to do it, I do it.

would you give up d angelo russell, jarrett allen or nets own 2019 draft pick in a deal for butler?

I'm not giving up Allen and BKN 1st for anyone not named Anthony Davis.

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this is what Sean Marks getting fleeced looks like

Butler is good, and he defends, and he plays with heart, but he ain’t that good

Butler for Crabbe or no deal- I’d rather try my luck in free agency than give up a pick or LeVert


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In free agency his main choice already had max cap space for two big deals. Either the Nets trade for Butler or its a wrap.

I'm good either way tbh. I would prefer to take things slow and build via the draft.

I really don't understand why you guys are balking at LeVert being traded for Butler? What's the hold up?

I'm sorry I like Caris a lot but as far as things go he's very inconsistent and at age 24 he has less upside than Russell who is two years younger. Jimmy Butler is a top 10-15 player in the sport. The only player on this team whose upside would prevent me from including him in a deal is Jarrett Allen.

That Zach Lowe deal however is MORONIC. Why would the Nets absorb Dieng's albatross contract when we need to keep space open for another max deal? Is he smoking on the job?

It would actually be somewhat just considering how he bad he trashed us in the past.

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I don't get the hate for him over his comment. It was the truth at that time. I'm not going to hold a grudge against someone for telling the gods honest truth.

What matters right now is that he's here and he's actually embracing what he's apart of. I see no reason to dump on Dudley at all.

It was more than one comment. He's clowned the Nets for years.

But more importantly, I don't "hate" anyone. It was more of a tongue in cheek response. He's a Net so he's going to have my support 100%. Going to bat for the franchise before even playing for us is fantastic and has greatly increased my respect for him. He's a real dude.

[TheNetsFan]

I really don't understand why you guys are balking at LeVert being traded for Butler? What's the hold up?

I'm sorry I like Caris a lot but as far as things go he's very inconsistent and at age 24 he has less upside than Russell who is two years younger. Jimmy Butler is a top 10-15 player in the sport. The only player on this team whose upside would prevent me from including him in a deal is Jarrett Allen.

That Zach Lowe deal however is MORONIC. Why would the Nets absorb Dieng's albatross contract when we need to keep space open for another max deal? Is he smoking on the job?

It makes no sense to take on Dieng, even if Crabbe was included. I think Dieng is a useful player, and could help balance the roster, but you can't have that money on the deal in a quest for 2 max contracts. In that scenario, you're forced to renounce DLo, so you may as well consider him part of the trade.

As far as trading Caris for Jimmy, some people see parallels. Both were older rookies & entered the league at 22. LeVert's first 2 years have actually been better than Jimmy's first 2, albeit LeVert's team was trash, while Jimmy's was good. Butler's big leap came in year 4, at age 25. He's the poster boy for late bloomers. Oladipo also took a big leap at age 25 in his 5th year. Fans are too quick to throw the bust and/or role player labels around. LeVert is long, athletic & a good ball handler for a guy his size. If you look at MOST of the top rated players, they're typically about 6'6" or bigger with well rounded skills, that can handle the ball & create shots. LeVert & DLo have both shown flashes of potential in that regard, and it's why I see Marks holding on to them tightly.

[Claud]

Hell no I'm not taking the deal proposed by Lowe. What is he smoking? We can just wait it out until the summer.

Butler is not AD, KD or Kawhi. HARD PASS. Taking on Dieng's 3 year 48mill contract?!

[Papi_swav]

Well Wolves are not accepting any trades at this moment anyway which lowers the price of return for them so that's better for us. The longer the Wolves wait, the less they get back so I'm hoping they don't trade him at all and let him walk next summer, that would be our best case scenario. We would have a top pick that way, with Butler on our roster now we won't be a bottom 10 team in the league. If they decide to trade him by the deadline then we might not have to throw in Levert or a 1st pick. Works for us

[DarkXaero]

Yea definitely not taking on Dieng's contract in any deal. I would suggest a package like Crabbe + D-Lo + Denver 1st and another small-mid asset for Butler.

[Paradise]

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[jbeachboy]

why does he want us to take dieng? just cause minnesota is trying to get rid of the contract?

[vincecarter4pres]

The more I thought about it, I think I'd offer LeVert/worse of BK and DEN 1st/Crabbe/2 2nds for Butler. It makes a lot of sense if they're determined to try and improve now.

[MrDollarBills]

I really don't understand why you guys are balking at LeVert being traded for Butler? What's the hold up?

I'm sorry I like Caris a lot but as far as things go he's very inconsistent and at age 24 he has less upside than Russell who is two years younger. Jimmy Butler is a top 10-15 player in the sport. The only player on this team whose upside would prevent me from including him in a deal is Jarrett Allen.

That Zach Lowe deal however is MORONIC. Why would the Nets absorb Dieng's albatross contract when we need to keep space open for another max deal? Is he smoking on the job?

It makes no sense to take on Dieng, even if Crabbe was included. I think Dieng is a useful player, and could help balance the roster, but you can't have that money on the deal in a quest for 2 max contracts. In that scenario, you're forced to renounce DLo, so you may as well consider him part of the trade.

As far as trading Caris for Jimmy, some people see parallels. Both were older rookies & entered the league at 22. LeVert's first 2 years have actually been better than Jimmy's first 2, albeit LeVert's team was trash, while Jimmy's was good. Butler's big leap came in year 4, at age 25. He's the poster boy for late bloomers. Oladipo also took a big leap at age 25 in his 5th year. Fans are too quick to throw the bust and/or role player labels around. LeVert is long, athletic & a good ball handler for a guy his size. If you look at MOST of the top rated players, they're typically about 6'6" or bigger with well rounded skills, that can handle the ball & create shots. LeVert & DLo have both shown flashes of potential in that regard, and it's why I see Marks holding on to them tightly.

You bring up excellent points. But I have to clarify that I'm not calling LeVert a bust, I am just pointing out that he is pretty inconsistent and isn't untouchable in my POV. But if the idea is to bring Jimmy Butler in early via trade in order for him to recruit a Kyrie Irving or Kawhi Leonard to BKN I don't think LeVert is a deal breaker.

If Marks chooses to pass on Butler and continue to build this team via the draft and development I have no problem with that because I think we need to be a bit more patient and rebuild via youth, the only issue is that Russell and Hollis-Jefferson become problematic since they are due for pay raises. A decision will have to be made if we choose to stay the course.

[MrDollarBills]

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Thibs is going to get fired.

[MrDollarBills]

why does he want us to take dieng? just cause minnesota is trying to get rid of the contract?

because he's throwing crap at the wall and hopes that something sticks. The Nets aren't going to trade for Butler while not giving themselves the opportunity to have cap space to sign another max FA in the summer following the trade.

[jbeachboy]

anyone want rondae or russell gone from team?

[Sleepyazn]

I'm more okay trading Dlo/Crabbe for Butler then trade LeVert or any of the other guys. Mostly because this trade will probably involve no picks from us and we won't have to deal with the headache of Dlo extension if he doesn't ball out.(not gonna lie, don't see him balling this year and I see him demanding 20mil+)

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[DarkXaero]

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Where did Shams say that?

[DarkXaero]

If we do somehow manage to make a move for Butler, I've been giving it some thought as to what the plan after should be. Of course, you want to create a 2nd max slot then and chase the best FA available next summer (lets just say Kawhi). And while Butler & Kawhi would be an extremely good duo, there's still a need for a third star to compete against the Warriors or whoever.

Anthony Davis becomes a free agent in 2020, which means he's an expiring contract next year, and if he wants to leave New Orleans (like Butler, Kawhi, George with their respective teams), he will end up on the trade market. So if we're using assets to trade for Butler, that leaves us a bit depleted in a possible trade down the line for Davis, so it requires some very careful planning. I realized that we don't have to trade Crabbe for Butler, and we can use him (along with Harris) for a draft day trade for AD to make salaries match. Obviously it still depends on a lot more than just making contracts match for trade purposes. And I'm not entirely sure about the cap space math but it seems possible to me. We'll need to have a desirable (lotto) pick to use as the prime asset in a trade. That'll be hard if we have Butler on the team. Also kinda need the likes of Crabbe and/or Allen, Musa etc. to improve their trade value.

So it could be trade for Butler -> trade for AD on draft day -> Sign Kawhi in FA. It seems like a really really long shot, I'm well aware of that, but there's no harm in speculating while we're in trade buzz for a star player lol.

[NyCeEvO]

If we do somehow manage to make a move for Butler, I've been giving it some thought as to what the plan after should be. Of course, you want to create a 2nd max slot then and chase the best FA available next summer (lets just say Kawhi). And while Butler & Kawhi would be an extremely good duo, there's still a need for a third star to compete against the Warriors or whoever.

Anthony Davis becomes a free agent in 2020, which means he's an expiring contract next year, and if he wants to leave New Orleans (like Butler, Kawhi, George with their respective teams), he will end up on the trade market. So if we're using assets to trade for Butler, that leaves us a bit depleted in a possible trade down the line for Davis, so it requires some very careful planning. I realized that we don't have to trade Crabbe for Butler, and we can use him (along with Harris) for a draft day trade for AD to make salaries match. Obviously it still depends on a lot more than just making contracts match for trade purposes. And I'm not entirely sure about the cap space math but it seems possible to me. We'll need to have a desirable (lotto) pick to use as the prime asset in a trade. That'll be hard if we have Butler on the team. Also kinda need the likes of Crabbe and/or Allen, Musa etc. to improve their trade value.

So it could be trade for Butler -> trade for AD on draft day -> Sign Kawhi in FA. It seems like a really really long shot, I'm well aware of that, but there's no harm in speculating while we're in trade buzz for a star player lol.

I've been saying this for awhile.

I feel like no one listens to me...

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[DarkXaero]

If we do somehow manage to make a move for Butler, I've been giving it some thought as to what the plan after should be. Of course, you want to create a 2nd max slot then and chase the best FA available next summer (lets just say Kawhi). And while Butler & Kawhi would be an extremely good duo, there's still a need for a third star to compete against the Warriors or whoever.

Anthony Davis becomes a free agent in 2020, which means he's an expiring contract next year, and if he wants to leave New Orleans (like Butler, Kawhi, George with their respective teams), he will end up on the trade market. So if we're using assets to trade for Butler, that leaves us a bit depleted in a possible trade down the line for Davis, so it requires some very careful planning. I realized that we don't have to trade Crabbe for Butler, and we can use him (along with Harris) for a draft day trade for AD to make salaries match. Obviously it still depends on a lot more than just making contracts match for trade purposes. And I'm not entirely sure about the cap space math but it seems possible to me. We'll need to have a desirable (lotto) pick to use as the prime asset in a trade. That'll be hard if we have Butler on the team. Also kinda need the likes of Crabbe and/or Allen, Musa etc. to improve their trade value.

So it could be trade for Butler -> trade for AD on draft day -> Sign Kawhi in FA. It seems like a really really long shot, I'm well aware of that, but there's no harm in speculating while we're in trade buzz for a star player lol.

I've been saying this for awhile.

I feel like no one listens to me...

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lol I saw you talking about it in the previous thread but at the time, I was thinking more about trading for Butler, then signing two max FAs in free agency. It's just extremely hard to pull off two trades for two star players (including one top 5) with the assets we have. But a big three of AD, Kawhi, Butler sounds so good on paper, it's like a dream fantasy scenario

[NyCeEvO]

If we do somehow manage to make a move for Butler, I've been giving it some thought as to what the plan after should be. Of course, you want to create a 2nd max slot then and chase the best FA available next summer (lets just say Kawhi). And while Butler & Kawhi would be an extremely good duo, there's still a need for a third star to compete against the Warriors or whoever.

Anthony Davis becomes a free agent in 2020, which means he's an expiring contract next year, and if he wants to leave New Orleans (like Butler, Kawhi, George with their respective teams), he will end up on the trade market. So if we're using assets to trade for Butler, that leaves us a bit depleted in a possible trade down the line for Davis, so it requires some very careful planning. I realized that we don't have to trade Crabbe for Butler, and we can use him (along with Harris) for a draft day trade for AD to make salaries match. Obviously it still depends on a lot more than just making contracts match for trade purposes. And I'm not entirely sure about the cap space math but it seems possible to me. We'll need to have a desirable (lotto) pick to use as the prime asset in a trade. That'll be hard if we have Butler on the team. Also kinda need the likes of Crabbe and/or Allen, Musa etc. to improve their trade value.

So it could be trade for Butler -> trade for AD on draft day -> Sign Kawhi in FA. It seems like a really really long shot, I'm well aware of that, but there's no harm in speculating while we're in trade buzz for a star player lol.

I've been saying this for awhile.

I feel like no one listens to me...

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lol I saw you talking about it in the previous thread but at the time, I was thinking more about trading for Butler, then signing two max FAs in free agency. It's just extremely hard to pull off two trades for two star players (including one top 5) with the assets we have. But a big three of AD, Kawhi, Butler sounds so good on paper, it's like a dream fantasy scenario

[MrDollarBills]

If we do somehow manage to make a move for Butler, I've been giving it some thought as to what the plan after should be. Of course, you want to create a 2nd max slot then and chase the best FA available next summer (lets just say Kawhi). And while Butler & Kawhi would be an extremely good duo, there's still a need for a third star to compete against the Warriors or whoever.

Anthony Davis becomes a free agent in 2020, which means he's an expiring contract next year, and if he wants to leave New Orleans (like Butler, Kawhi, George with their respective teams), he will end up on the trade market. So if we're using assets to trade for Butler, that leaves us a bit depleted in a possible trade down the line for Davis, so it requires some very careful planning. I realized that we don't have to trade Crabbe for Butler, and we can use him (along with Harris) for a draft day trade for AD to make salaries match. Obviously it still depends on a lot more than just making contracts match for trade purposes. And I'm not entirely sure about the cap space math but it seems possible to me. We'll need to have a desirable (lotto) pick to use as the prime asset in a trade. That'll be hard if we have Butler on the team. Also kinda need the likes of Crabbe and/or Allen, Musa etc. to improve their trade value.

So it could be trade for Butler -> trade for AD on draft day -> Sign Kawhi in FA. It seems like a really really long shot, I'm well aware of that, but there's no harm in speculating while we're in trade buzz for a star player lol.

I've been saying this for awhile.

I feel like no one listens to me...

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I'd give this scenario a .05% chance of happening if it makes you feel better.