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Post#561 » by Prokorov » Sat May 18, 2019 12:35 pm

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NyCeEvO wrote:If KD’s rings with the Warriors are “hollow”, how can he realistically enter GOAT discussions? He’d have to win at least 3 championships as the clear cut alpha for the thought to even have some merit.

And considering that the most popular GOAT contenders (i.e. MJ, KAJ, LBJ, Russell) were excellent defenders for a considerable number of years, I don’t think there’s anything he can do to enter that tier.


exactly why he needs to go to the knicks... winning their would be overhyped and his only chance to be in the GOAT conversaitons without winning 7+ titles. he will be immortalized with a title with the knicks. no where else would he have that luxury
If he goes to the Knicks, and they finish behind us or they exit in the first round, that organization and fans will turn on him immediately.


That scenario isnt realistic unless durant got hurt. the upside far outweighs the downside and if he is worried he can sign a 1+1 deal.
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Post#562 » by MrDollarBills » Sat May 18, 2019 3:51 pm

Goddamn **** the Knicks. The Nets are a well run quality organization. I refuse to sit here and consider us a second class destination compared to that **** show over in Manhattan.

Those days are over. Any free agent that chooses them over us isn't concerned about winning and I don't want them here. Give me guys who value quality and substance and want to work hard to win games and aren't interested in manufactured hype

**** the Knicks.
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Post#563 » by TheNetsFan » Sat May 18, 2019 5:01 pm

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exactly why he needs to go to the knicks... winning their would be overhyped and his only chance to be in the GOAT conversaitons without winning 7+ titles. he will be immortalized with a title with the knicks. no where else would he have that luxury
If he goes to the Knicks, and they finish behind us or they exit in the first round, that organization and fans will turn on him immediately.


That scenario isnt realistic unless durant got hurt. the upside far outweighs the downside and if he is worried he can sign a 1+1 deal.
If the Knicks get KD and Kyrie, and we get Harris or Butler, I don’t think it’s a given that they finish better than us or get out of the first round.
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Post#564 » by DarkXaero » Sat May 18, 2019 5:11 pm

prokorov might as well be a Knicks fan with his KD to Knicks obsession. Foh with this "exactly why he should go to the Knicks!" talk.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2018-19 Season thread 

Post#565 » by shakendfries » Sat May 18, 2019 7:57 pm

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makes no sense for KD to stay... no matter how many titles he wins there curry will always have 1 more ring and it will always be currys team he joined

if he goes to the knicks, and wins there, he is a basketball God and there will be GOAT talk. its a lock.

If KD’s rings with the Warriors are “hollow”, how can he realistically enter GOAT discussions? He’d have to win at least 3 championships as the clear cut alpha for the thought to even have some merit.

And considering that the most popular GOAT contenders (i.e. MJ, KAJ, LBJ, Russell) were excellent defenders for a considerable number of years, I don’t think there’s anything he can do to enter that tier.


exactly why he needs to go to the knicks... winning their would be overhyped and his only chance to be in the GOAT conversaitons without winning 7+ titles. he will be immortalized with a title with the knicks. no where else would he have that luxury


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Re: Around the NBA, 2018-19 Season thread 

Post#566 » by Prokorov » Sat May 18, 2019 10:43 pm

DarkXaero wrote:prokorov might as well be a Knicks fan with his KD to Knicks obsession. Foh with this "exactly why he should go to the Knicks!" talk.


its reality, stop being a blind homer or go to netsdaily where thats the norm
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Post#567 » by DarkXaero » Sat May 18, 2019 10:47 pm

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DarkXaero wrote:prokorov might as well be a Knicks fan with his KD to Knicks obsession. Foh with this "exactly why he should go to the Knicks!" talk.


its reality, stop being a blind homer or go to netsdaily where thats the norm
KD could sign here, and you'd still be saying "it doesn't make sense, he should have went to the knicks for his legacy". There's a huge difference being a blind homer, being an objective fan, and being an extremely insecure/fake fan with an agenda.

None of us are saying that KD is coming here. But every one of us is tired of your "KD should go to the Knicks" shtick.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2018-19 Season thread 

Post#568 » by Prokorov » Sat May 18, 2019 11:48 pm

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Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:prokorov might as well be a Knicks fan with his KD to Knicks obsession. Foh with this "exactly why he should go to the Knicks!" talk.


its reality, stop being a blind homer or go to netsdaily where thats the norm
KD could sign here, and you'd still be saying "it doesn't make sense, he should have went to the knicks for his legacy". There's a huge difference being a blind homer, being an objective fan, and being an extremely insecure/fake fan with an agenda.

None of us are saying that KD is coming here. But every one of us is tired of your "KD should go to the Knicks" shtick.


its not that im saying he should go. its just a fact that it makes the most sense for him to go there.
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Post#569 » by NyCeEvO » Sat May 18, 2019 11:59 pm

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makes no sense for KD to stay... no matter how many titles he wins there curry will always have 1 more ring and it will always be currys team he joined

if he goes to the knicks, and wins there, he is a basketball God and there will be GOAT talk. its a lock.

If KD’s rings with the Warriors are “hollow”, how can he realistically enter GOAT discussions? He’d have to win at least 3 championships as the clear cut alpha for the thought to even have some merit.

And considering that the most popular GOAT contenders (i.e. MJ, KAJ, LBJ, Russell) were excellent defenders for a considerable number of years, I don’t think there’s anything he can do to enter that tier.


exactly why he needs to go to the knicks... winning their would be overhyped and his only chance to be in the GOAT conversaitons without winning 7+ titles. he will be immortalized with a title with the knicks. no where else would he have that luxury


Knicks fans are like other fanbases, just larger
The Knicks may have one of the two, if not the, largest fanbase but they’re not stupid. Because of the size of their fan base, there’s a greater chance that the average person will come across more hot takes and ill-informed perspectives from some Knick fans, but that doesn’t mean all Knicks fans will overhype him, especially not to the degree of GOAT talk.

If you visited the Knicks board when they had STAT, Melo, then KP, there were always several camps that can be lumped together for the sake of argument as “haters”, neutrals, and “homers”, just like every other fanbase.

The 2013 54 win Knick team had a lot of potential. I even thought that if they were healthy and clicked well enough, they could’ve given the Heat a good run for their money. And yet there detractors even amongst Knick fans who always doubted and were ready to declare “I told you so” once the playoffs came and Melo couldn’t deliver against the Pacers due to his bum shoulder.

When KP was drafted there was much scrutiny over whether he could actually play in the NBA. There was tons of infighting and debating how well his performances in the Spanish league would translate to the world’s best league.

It didn’t take long before Porzingis showed that his talent was not only NBA ready, but that he had MVP level potential. And yet despite people fawning over KP, there were always critics in the Knicks fanbase who doubted his conditioning, didn’t think his body could hold up, believed that other teams would eventually study his game and severely hamper his effectiveness, and/or hated his brother. People were talking about him being Durant-like on offense and Hakeem-like on defense. He was their own draft pick and there was always varying degrees of hate even from their own fanbase!

GOAT status is awarded by the NBA community, not a single fanbase
No single fanbase has control over the narrative of the GOAT. Players become legitimate GOAT contenders when they are recognized as such by players, organizations, and media that are not represented by or affiliated with said player.

KD GOAT arguments would more or less be treated like Kobe GOAT arguments in that if people actually believed KD was the GOAT, a minority contingent of a larger team fanbase would ascribe to such a view. Most of those even within their own fanbase wouldn’t even agree with them.

Additionally, KD (like Kobe) will always have his first collection of rings questioned because they played with a player or players that were recognized as more dominant (either individually or as a collective) than KD himself. If the Warriors won without KD this year, it would completely destroy any credibility given to the argument that what he’s done over the last few years has proven that he’s the best player in the NBA. And you can’t be the GOAT, if you were never universally considered the best player in the league for several years. (Even Kawhi’s performance with the Raptors has people wondering if KD could what Kawhi has done without the gravity of the Splash brothers.) There’s no way that the majority of the league is going to regard KD as the best player over several seasons, and definitely not the GOAT.

This assumes that whatever team KD is on would win
KD gets criticized because he plays on a team that many (most?) believe they don’t need him to win.

In order for him to be validated as the best player, he has to go to a team where he’s the unquestioned best player and still beat other teams.

Before KD went to GSW, he played on OKC teams that were constructed well but simply didn’t have enough talent to win it all.

Knocking off the Warriors in 2016 would have been a huge boost for his legacy, since he would’ve led the team that beat a healthy 73 win team and there would be no excuse of Draymond being suspended to undermine the legitimacy of his title. Instead, it became a huge stain on his career because he choked away 3 consecutive games and couldn’t close them out.

So now, we’re going to ask a 31 year old KD to become the clear cut alpha on his next team and become so dominant that he knocks off all contenders over the next 5+ years to win more titles than MJ? I don’t see it happening.

I think we’re seeing peak KD right now. I don’t think there’s another level to go to. And if that’s true, it means that the best version of KD isn’t better than the best versions of the other GOAT contenders.

He doesn’t have a shot at GOAT no matter where goes.
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Post#570 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 19, 2019 4:02 am

Taking Golden State on the moneyline tonight was easy money. lol
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Post#571 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 19, 2019 4:06 am

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its reality, stop being a blind homer or go to netsdaily where thats the norm
KD could sign here, and you'd still be saying "it doesn't make sense, he should have went to the knicks for his legacy". There's a huge difference being a blind homer, being an objective fan, and being an extremely insecure/fake fan with an agenda.

None of us are saying that KD is coming here. But every one of us is tired of your "KD should go to the Knicks" shtick.


its not that im saying he should go. its just a fact that it makes the most sense for him to go there.


it's not about blind homerism.

looking at both teams objectively, the Nets have a better roster and a better front office in place per track record.

any free agent that chooses the Knicks over the Nets is not doing it because of basketball reasons.
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Post#572 » by Prokorov » Sun May 19, 2019 4:09 am

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DarkXaero wrote:KD could sign here, and you'd still be saying "it doesn't make sense, he should have went to the knicks for his legacy". There's a huge difference being a blind homer, being an objective fan, and being an extremely insecure/fake fan with an agenda.

None of us are saying that KD is coming here. But every one of us is tired of your "KD should go to the Knicks" shtick.


its not that im saying he should go. its just a fact that it makes the most sense for him to go there.


it's not about blind homerism.

looking at both teams objectively, the Nets have a better roster and a better front office in place per track record.

any free agent that chooses the Knicks over the Nets is not doing it because of basketball reasons.


Rosters are irrelevant. its not about the roster you have its about the roster you can have. and Nets cant put anything together like Durant, Antohny Davis, Kyrie or butler trio.

And again, his legacy, GOAT rankings, and myth will be 100000000 times what they would be with the nets. if he wins with the knicks he becomes a basketball god and a savior.

its not even remotely close. anyone who thinks it is , is a blind homer.
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Post#573 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 19, 2019 4:12 am

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its not that im saying he should go. its just a fact that it makes the most sense for him to go there.


it's not about blind homerism.

looking at both teams objectively, the Nets have a better roster and a better front office in place per track record.

any free agent that chooses the Knicks over the Nets is not doing it because of basketball reasons.


Rosters are irrelevant. its not about the roster you have its about the roster you can have. and Nets cant put anything together like Durant, Antohny Davis, Kyrie or butler trio.

And again, his legacy, GOAT rankings, and myth will be 100000000 times what they would be with the nets. if he wins with the knicks he becomes a basketball god and a savior.

its not even remotely close. anyone who thinks it is , is a blind homer.


your argument is literally based on "what if".
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Post#574 » by Prokorov » Sun May 19, 2019 4:30 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
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it's not about blind homerism.

looking at both teams objectively, the Nets have a better roster and a better front office in place per track record.

any free agent that chooses the Knicks over the Nets is not doing it because of basketball reasons.


Rosters are irrelevant. its not about the roster you have its about the roster you can have. and Nets cant put anything together like Durant, Antohny Davis, Kyrie or butler trio.

And again, his legacy, GOAT rankings, and myth will be 100000000 times what they would be with the nets. if he wins with the knicks he becomes a basketball god and a savior.

its not even remotely close. anyone who thinks it is , is a blind homer.


your argument is literally based on "what if".


so is every discussion based on free agency.
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Post#575 » by NyCeEvO » Mon May 20, 2019 12:55 am

Can someone explain to me why KD is reading, responding to, and calling out a GSW fan who was responding to the “haters” and praising the Warriors won without KD?

Does this dude have nothing better to do than to track whatever people say about him? This is crazy. He’s over 30 years old and replying to people online as if it means something. The level of insecurity is astounding.

Just play basketball and be great. You’ll always have detractors. Responding to people on social media is unbecoming and only makes things worse.
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Post#576 » by MrDollarBills » Mon May 20, 2019 11:14 am

NyCeEvO wrote:Can someone explain to me why KD is reading, responding to, and calling out a GSW fan who was responding to the “haters” and praising the Warriors won without KD?

Does this dude have nothing better to do than to track whatever people say about him? This is crazy. He’s over 30 years old and replying to people online as if it means something. The level of insecurity is astounding.

Just play basketball and be great. You’ll always have detractors. Responding to people on social media is unbecoming and only makes things worse.


But yeah, this guy will definitely thrive in New York where the media will rip him to shreds the moment things go wrong :lol:

This guy can't handle 1/10th of what Carmelo had to deal with. Good luck.
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Post#577 » by Prokorov » Mon May 20, 2019 1:47 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Goddamn **** the Knicks. The Nets are a well run quality organization. I refuse to sit here and consider us a second class destination compared to that **** show over in Manhattan.

Those days are over. Any free agent that chooses them over us isn't concerned about winning and I don't want them here. Give me guys who value quality and substance and want to work hard to win games and aren't interested in manufactured hype

**** the Knicks.


A few things

1) yes, F*** the knicks

2) Going to the Knicks doesnt prevent someone from working hard, no matter how bad ownership is there

3) Winning in todays NBA is 90% talent. 10% coaching, front office, ownership, and luck. These guys know the quickest path to a title is teaming up with 2 other superstars. the Knicks have a path to do that easier then most teams/anyone. If these guys want to win, and they want to team up with 2 stars, the knicks are a great option to do that.

4) Manufactoered hype goes a long way for guys who have already won and already been MVPs. Durant getting his 4th ring with the knicks, ending a 45 year drought, and having maybe the largest fan base and media hype machine behind him will go a long way to any Durant > kobe or Durant > Lebron conversations. I'm sure at some point the media will turn on him and eat him alive... but that will come after a honeymoon phase of fans and media saying knicks have the best player in the league and are poised to end that 45 year hiatus

Quality and substance is great... but durants like a 10 year vet over 30 who is thinking about legacy and fame and those last few rings. and the path to that is with the knicks/lakers/clippers.
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Post#578 » by Prokorov » Mon May 20, 2019 1:49 pm

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NyCeEvO wrote:Can someone explain to me why KD is reading, responding to, and calling out a GSW fan who was responding to the “haters” and praising the Warriors won without KD?

Does this dude have nothing better to do than to track whatever people say about him? This is crazy. He’s over 30 years old and replying to people online as if it means something. The level of insecurity is astounding.

Just play basketball and be great. You’ll always have detractors. Responding to people on social media is unbecoming and only makes things worse.


But yeah, this guy will definitely thrive in New York where the media will rip him to shreds the moment things go wrong :lol:

This guy can't handle 1/10th of what Carmelo had to deal with. Good luck.



it is inevitable that will happen...

but it will come after a honeymoon phase. look back to early on with Carmello, he was a king there. it wasnt too a few years later and failing to take them far that he started getting destroyed

early on, durant will be a god there. The media knows they will need access to durant for 2-4 years, they wont burn bridges day 1 and it is easier for them to write stories about him maybe getting them a title then to tear him down from the get go. same with fans, they will be talking about titles and bringing in davis not about killing durant
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Post#579 » by Aussienet3 » Tue May 21, 2019 2:17 am

Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:Can someone explain to me why KD is reading, responding to, and calling out a GSW fan who was responding to the “haters” and praising the Warriors won without KD?

Does this dude have nothing better to do than to track whatever people say about him? This is crazy. He’s over 30 years old and replying to people online as if it means something. The level of insecurity is astounding.

Just play basketball and be great. You’ll always have detractors. Responding to people on social media is unbecoming and only makes things worse.


But yeah, this guy will definitely thrive in New York where the media will rip him to shreds the moment things go wrong :lol:

This guy can't handle 1/10th of what Carmelo had to deal with. Good luck.



it is inevitable that will happen...

but it will come after a honeymoon phase. look back to early on with Carmello, he was a king there. it wasnt too a few years later and failing to take them far that he started getting destroyed

early on, durant will be a god there. The media knows they will need access to durant for 2-4 years, they wont burn bridges day 1 and it is easier for them to write stories about him maybe getting them a title then to tear him down from the get go. same with fans, they will be talking about titles and bringing in davis not about killing durant


What are you going to say when/if KD signs somewhere other than NY? I mean your just a guy from jersey/brooklyn.... I don't get how your opinion is always the right one and everyone else's opinion is wrong. You prattle on how KD needs to do this or that. KD is his own man. He will make his own decisions. If he does choose NY and doesn't take them to the finals in his first year the press will turn on hime in a new york minute. KD would bring way more hype and expectations than Melo could ever imagine. Comparing the Melo situation to KD is just down right ludicrous (I'm not saying your comparing KD to Melo as individual players)
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Post#580 » by Prokorov » Tue May 21, 2019 3:20 am

Aussienet3 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
But yeah, this guy will definitely thrive in New York where the media will rip him to shreds the moment things go wrong :lol:

This guy can't handle 1/10th of what Carmelo had to deal with. Good luck.



it is inevitable that will happen...

but it will come after a honeymoon phase. look back to early on with Carmello, he was a king there. it wasnt too a few years later and failing to take them far that he started getting destroyed

early on, durant will be a god there. The media knows they will need access to durant for 2-4 years, they wont burn bridges day 1 and it is easier for them to write stories about him maybe getting them a title then to tear him down from the get go. same with fans, they will be talking about titles and bringing in davis not about killing durant


What are you going to say when/if KD signs somewhere other than NY? I mean your just a guy from jersey/brooklyn.... I don't get how your opinion is always the right one and everyone else's opinion is wrong. You prattle on how KD needs to do this or that. KD is his own man. He will make his own decisions. If he does choose NY and doesn't take them to the finals in his first year the press will turn on hime in a new york minute. KD would bring way more hype and expectations than Melo could ever imagine. Comparing the Melo situation to KD is just down right ludicrous (I'm not saying your comparing KD to Melo as individual players)


What am i going to say? I was wrong and he made the wrong choice... or if he comes here i will say i was wrong and im glad i was.

My opinion isnt always right. and i have several times admitted i was wrong. I'm right more often then not, and mostly because i base most opinions on facts or just knowing the league in general. This is alot more subjetive though then say, calling the crabbe signing a mistake/overpay.

The media will certainly turn on durant at some point. the expectations will certainly be higher with durant. but there will no doubt but at least a 1 season honeymoon where fans and media put him on a pedestal as the new king of NY. and if he DOES win get become immortal and joins the ranks of guys like Messier, eli, namath, and jeter.

Its the smart move for durant though:

-He has an easy path to a superteam where knicks can pair him with anohter max and trade their pick for a 3rd all-star.
-It would be his team moreso then if he stayed in GS or teamed up with lebron on the lakers
-If he won in NY with the knicks it would carry more weight then a title with the warrior, lakers, or anyone else
-if he loses he will get killed, but he already gets killed and is among one o the more disliked/hated on superstars

I mean can see the clippers, or maybe the lakers. us as a 50-1 longshot... but right now it has to be like 5-2 odds for the knicks.
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